2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[raswilliam]

Stoke what fire? NHL GMs don't read hfboards.

I never said anything about GM's. I posted to the an internet message board that fans read.

 

[Bandit]

I never said anything about GM's. I posted to the an internet message board that fans read.

right, so again, Stoke what fire?

 

[raswilliam]

right, so again, Stoke what fire?

 

[KINGS17]

Burn it down!!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Can anyone make any sense of what he’s saying? What “flare” got people’s attention to attract team execs to attend a Kings game? Maybe they’re taking in notes on the types of players their respective clubs should avoid acquiring.

 

[redcard]

Can anyone make any sense of what he’s saying? What “flare” got people’s attention to attract team execs to attend a Kings game? Maybe they’re taking in notes on the types of players their respective clubs should avoid acquiring.

Todd was playing with a flare the other day and accidentally started all the fires. Now all the team/execs are watching to make sure we're ok.

 

[bland]

The proposed Pacioretty trade was at the draft; Kovalchuk was signed in free agency (i.e., they were completely different temporally, so they could not have known Kovalchuk's cap hit would come in at $6.25 million). No reporting at the time or after indicated the Kings were going after both Pacioretty and Kovalchuk. The reporting was that they were going to add "a" scoring winger, not multiple.

Most notably, even assuming your scenario of Pacioretty at $6 million, they did not have the cap space. They started the season at just a shade under $79 million for their cap hit. If you subtract Muzzin's $4 million and add $6 million for Pacioretty, that would put them almost $1.5 million over the $79.5 million cap ceiling for last season. Most importantly, they would not have had Pacioretty at $6 million.



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So, no. The Kings were not getting Pacioretty at $6 million, and the fact that they offered him something below what he was willing to accept appears to be why the trade fell apart.

Just to clarify, the Kings absolutely knew what they were going to pay Kovalchuk. Negotiations do not start on the day of free agency.

Secondly, the Kings offer of 6 x 6 was not predicted on that being what they thought he was worth, it was what they had left under the cap after signing Kovalchuk. That's why Muzzin was in the deal, they needed that cap space.

Blake most definitely intended on bringing in them both. To his credit, even while he was intent on destroying the franchise with the deal, he refused to trade their first that year.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Can anyone make any sense of what he’s saying? What “flare” got people’s attention to attract team execs to attend a Kings game? Maybe they’re taking in notes on the types of players their respective clubs should avoid acquiring.

I think it was from his quote to the media after the loss to the Blackhawks. Paraphrasing, it was something like "Some (Kings) players don't belong in this league. We might have to make some changes. Some vets aren't pulling their weight".

 

[fivehole32]

Under DL, he said the evaluation process of what you have for a season is about done around game 15. At that point you can pull the trigger on a trade or move guys around. Seems like we are right on schedule.

 

[Johnny Utah]

The Hawks and the Kings are now where everyone predicted. Kings were relevant 2011 thru 2015. Hawks were relevant 2010 thru 2016 - now we both suck and stuck with horrible contracts. All the fans and media predicted this.

The Hawks at least have some young players who are promising and playing well on their roster. We have none except Sean Walker, an undrafted UFA.

 

[Bandit]

The Hawks and the Kings are now where everyone predicted. Kings were relevant 2011 thru 2015. Hawks were relevant 2010 thru 2016 - now we both suck and stuck with horrible contracts. All the fans and media predicted this.

The Hawks at least have some young players who are promising and playing well on their roster. We have none except Sean Walker, an undrafted UFA.

it was worth it.

 

[crassbonanza]

The Hawks and the Kings are now where everyone predicted. Kings were relevant 2011 thru 2015. Hawks were relevant 2010 thru 2016 - now we both suck and stuck with horrible contracts. All the fans and media predicted this.

The Hawks at least have some young players who are promising and playing well on their roster. We have none except Sean Walker, an undrafted UFA.

Damn, really sucks that the two teams who won 5 cups in 6 years to start this decade aren't doing great now.

 

[KINGS17]

Damn, really sucks that the two teams who won 5 cups in 6 years to start this decade aren't doing great now.

Nah, what sucks is not recognizing the party was over and handing out big money, long term contracts like they were candy on Halloween.

 

[Matt13]

Can anyone make any sense of what he’s saying? What “flare” got people’s attention to attract team execs to attend a Kings game? Maybe they’re taking in notes on the types of players their respective clubs should avoid acquiring.

I think he means like a flare meaning SOS. So when TMac sorta said we have some players that sucked to the media the other day, all the GM's came running to trade us their good players, for our bad in hopes of helping us climb out of the basement so that they can get the coveted 1oa and not their organization. You gotta love those bonds Canadians have.

 

[YP44]

off topic here but anyone know where I can get one of those Day of the dead themed hats?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Nah, what sucks is not recognizing the party was over and handing out big money, long term contracts like they were candy on Halloween.

They did that for two specific players. Very few teams, if any, voluntarily walk away from players of that stature, and especially so after they actually win. For better or worse, they weren't going to let them go if they wanted to stay. Don't say DL was playing hard ball with Kopitar, and was forced to give him a stupid contract either. If it was a $9m hit over 8 years, does that make it better? $8.5m? It's still 8 years. The only way it would've been a good deal is if it was like Bergeron's, and I don't know how Boston got him at that price. DL didn't get rid of Richards, gave a goalie a 10 year contract days after winning the Conn Smythe, gave Brown a retirement contract, re-signed Gaborik. DL was going to give up on his emotional loyalty to players that won for him starting with the #1 two-way C that won for him? I doubt that. He couldn't even get through 16-17 without trying to win.

It's not about recognizing the party was over. Name the team, in any sport, that won, and told their best players to leave. I can name one; the Marlins. It should always happen, but it doesn't(other than the Marlins, and everyone rips them for being a terrible and cheap organization), and it wasn't going to start with the Kings. They're not the Yankees. Other than the first few years of Gretzky, Kopitar and Doughty are the history of the Kings. If they hadn't won, I would bet all of them would've eventually been gone, not too long after DL himself in 2012.

 

[YP44]

They did that for two specific players. Very few teams, if any, voluntarily walk away from players of that stature, and especially so after they actually win. For better or worse, they weren't going to let them go if they wanted to stay. Don't say DL was playing hard ball with Kopitar, and was forced to give him a stupid contract either. If it was a $9m hit over 8 years, does that make it better? $8.5m? It's still 8 years. The only way it would've been a good deal is if it was like Bergeron's, and I don't know how Boston got him at that price. DL didn't get rid of Richards, gave a goalie a 10 year contract days after winning the Conn Smythe, gave Brown a retirement contract, re-signed Gaborik. DL was going to give up on his emotional loyalty to players that won for him starting with the #1 two-way C that won for him? I doubt that. He couldn't even get through 16-17 without trying to win.

It's not about recognizing the party was over. Name the team, in any sport, that won, and told their best players to leave. I can name one; the Marlins. It should always happen, but it doesn't(other than the Marlins, and everyone rips them for being a terrible and cheap organization), and it wasn't going to start with the Kings. They're not the Yankees. Other than the first few years of Gretzky, Kopitar and Doughty are the history of the Kings. If they hadn't won, I would bet all of them would've eventually been gone, not too long after DL himself in 2012.

Toronto lost Leonard but they tried to keep him.

I would rather Pay the guys who LA won with then go the way of the Marlins.

When the contracts were given the only one I did not like was Gaboriks, but even then he was coming off an amazing playoffs but I just knew it meant the end of Williams (may have left anyway), and also I hated the term on it.

 

[KINGS17]

Toronto lost Leonard but they tried to keep him.

I would rather Pay the guys who LA won with then go the way of the Marlins.

When the contracts were given the only one I did not like was Gaboriks, but even then he was coming off an amazing playoffs but I just knew it meant the end of Williams (may have left anyway), and also I hated the term on it.

Why is this a binary choice? The Kings didn't have to become the Marlins of the NHL. I would rather the Kings not be paying Doughty and Kopitar into their late thirties.

 

[KINGS17]

They did that for two specific players. Very few teams, if any, voluntarily walk away from players of that stature, and especially so after they actually win. For better or worse, they weren't going to let them go if they wanted to stay. Don't say DL was playing hard ball with Kopitar, and was forced to give him a stupid contract either. If it was a $9m hit over 8 years, does that make it better? $8.5m? It's still 8 years. The only way it would've been a good deal is if it was like Bergeron's, and I don't know how Boston got him at that price. DL didn't get rid of Richards, gave a goalie a 10 year contract days after winning the Conn Smythe, gave Brown a retirement contract, re-signed Gaborik. DL was going to give up on his emotional loyalty to players that won for him starting with the #1 two-way C that won for him? I doubt that. He couldn't even get through 16-17 without trying to win.

It's not about recognizing the party was over. Name the team, in any sport, that won, and told their best players to leave. I can name one; the Marlins. It should always happen, but it doesn't(other than the Marlins, and everyone rips them for being a terrible and cheap organization), and it wasn't going to start with the Kings. They're not the Yankees. Other than the first few years of Gretzky, Kopitar and Doughty are the history of the Kings. If they hadn't won, I would bet all of them would've eventually been gone, not too long after DL himself in 2012.

Again, I don't need to name the team. Dozens of teams in major league sports do it incorrectly. The NHL is a young man's league. You don't win with your highest paid players being a bunch of 30-somethings. Chicago and LA are proving it. I said the Toews and Kane contracts were a bad idea when they signed them, and the Kings followed suit with two deals that made no sense based on the situation the roster was in at the time.

 

[YP44]

Why is this a binary choice? The Kings didn't have to become the Marlins of the NHL. I would rather the Kings not be paying Doughty and Kopitar into their late thirties.

I agree that it does not have to be a binary choice but imagine how bad this team would be without Kopitar and Drew...then again imagine what they could use that cap space on.


it is a hard argument and i get it from both sides.

 

[KINGS17]

I agree that it does not have to be a binary choice but imagine how bad this team would be without Kopitar and Drew...then again imagine what they could use that cap space on.


it is a hard argument and i get it from both sides.

Imagine what the Kings could have received in trade for Kopitar and/or Doughty. No one gives a rip about cap space. It's the assets the team would have received in return. The cap space comes in handy once the GM sees where he needs to fill in the blanks.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Retaining Kopitar and Doughty weren't as problematic as those awful, shortsighted trades and lack of prospect development from 2014 on. That's why this team is in the state it is currently in. The decisions previous management made set the team back for years. Kopitar and Doughty are still producing, although of course they're also going to struggle having to carry a team that has zero scoring depth and a minor league lineup on defense.

 

[BringTheReign]

Retaining Kopitar and Doughty weren't as problematic as those awful, shortsighted trades and lack of prospect development from 2014 on. That's why this team is in the state it is currently in. The decisions previous management made set the team back for years. Kopitar and Doughty are still producing, although of course they're also going to struggle having to carry a team that has zero scoring depth and a minor league lineup on defense.

Bingo.

There isn't a single person on these boards that would have the courage to trade Kopitar and/or Doughty rather than sign them to their 8 year deals (or let them walk into FA). The continual harping on their deals is grating. Doughty is the best defenseman in franchise history, and Kopitar is the 3rd best centerman, only trailing the highest and sixth-highest scoring players in NHL history. They won 2 Cups. They've both won their position's highest honor (Norris/Selke). Teams don't let those players walk, and they basically write their own contracts. You can complain about the cap hit, but that's more of a California problem than it is a Kings' failure.

I know they're not perfect comparisons, but teams like Boston and Pittsburgh have shown you can build teams around players like Kopitar and Doughty even into their 30s. It just would've been nice to start that process earlier, as Ziggy correctly pointed out. Voynov and Richards certainly didn't help either.

 

[KINGS17]

Retaining Kopitar and Doughty weren't as problematic as those awful, shortsighted trades and lack of prospect development from 2014 on. That's why this team is in the state it is currently in. The decisions previous management made set the team back for years. Kopitar and Doughty are still producing, although of course they're also going to struggle having to carry a team that has zero scoring depth and a minor league lineup on defense.

Kopitar and Doughty are still good players. When it came to sign them the trades had already been made, and the cupboard was bare. It was time to re-stock the cupboard. Keeping them is not helping this franchise.

 

[Statto]

enough teams are looking for scoring 2nd line wingers that someone should overpay for Toffoli. 2nd and a prospect would be that overpayment IMO and Blake should jump on it.

Not on current form.

We all want him gone on our car crash of a team, so why is he going to command a value that none of us would pay for him. A 3rd and a mid tier prospect would be a good deal right now. The only play ATM is to hold onto him and hope his need for a contract next year gets him going... until the TDL.