2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Reaper45]

With so many scouts in attendance its gotta be for Kovalchuk roght?

 

[King'sPawn]

That PK needs a lot of work

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Toffoli is a healthy scratch, which led to rumors that he could be traded to Ottawa, fueled by the presence of Senators GM Pierre Dorion in the Staples Center on Wednesday and Toffoli being a native of Ontario. However, Toffoli posted a minus-4 in his most recent contest, which seems the more likely reason for the benching.

ah man lol

 

[Lt Dan]

You just can't prove that it's all to do with the coaching.

It obvious. you just choose not to see it. Jones has picked up bad habits,
There are plenty of examples of this in baseball. Jeff weaver is a classic example of this. Hunnicutt and Dave Duncan are the only reason he is relevant.

Did Patrick Roy get worse when he was traded, for example

Roy wasn't as good in C as he was in Montreal. Even though he had a much better team in front of him. He never had another goalie coach as good as Allaire.
Like Jones, Budaj, etc with Ranford.
As you would say , thanks for making my argument for me.

. You'll get found out for what you are eventually and as you say, the Sharks defense has got weaker and so has Jones numbers.

I never said that
I said "
The Sharks do have a pretty solid corps tho. At least before Karlsson"
Jones has been in san jose since 2015. His decline has been gradual. Karlsson just got there.

Weak...

Did Zatkoff's career resurrect itself in LA or has he disappeared?

Resurrect?

He was drafted and came up through the Kings and had a career because of Ranford

 

[Sausages]

So why were Petersen's and Campbell's numbers so good last year, with a **** defense? How about Quick's the year before with thin depth and a Stevens system?

Agree with the general sentiment that goalies and defense are a symbiotic relationship. But you're taking it to its extreme imo

By the same token the mythos attached to goalie coaching has been exaggerated.

 

[Sausages]

It obvious. you just choose not to see it. Jones has picked up bad habits,
There are plenty of examples of this in baseball. Jeff weaver is a classic example of this. Hunnicutt and Dave Duncan are the only reason he is relevant.




Roy wasn't as good in C as he was in Montreal. Even though he had a much better team in front of him. He never had another goalie coach as good as Allaire.
Like Jones, Budaj, etc with Ranford.
As you would say , thanks for making my argument for me.


I never said that
I said "
The Sharks do have a pretty solid corps tho. At least before Karlsson"
Jones has been in san jose since 2015. His decline has been gradual. Karlsson just got there.

Weak...



Resurrect?

He was drafted and came up through the Kings and had a career because of Ranford

You brought up Zatkoff, where is he now after all the magical coaching he had here......twice.

You're excellent at defeating your own arguments.

 

[Lt Dan]

You brought up Zatkoff, where is he now after all the magical coaching he had here......twice.

You're excellent at defeating your own arguments.

I brought up zatkoff because we gave him a career. I don't defeat my arguments. You just cant read

And you are pulling this card because you cant dispute my original point that we know how to develop goalies

 

[Sausages]

I brought up zatkoff because we gave him a career. I don't defeat my arguments. You just cant read

And you are pulling this card because you cant dispute my original point that we know how to develop goalies

Keep drinking the Kool Aid, bro. Careers don't lie when you look at them over the long term. You have to examine all factors as to why they were doing well at a certain time and not buy into a debatable narrative.

I'm not even claiming that the coaches haven't done a good job, there's just too much fable added to it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

By the same token the mythos attached to goalie coaching has been exaggerated.

On the contrary, you would think if fans of any organization would get it, it would be this one. After years and years of goalie failures, we finally started churning them out, and every goalie has credited Ranford, Imoo, et. al. bigtime. Quick especially. Most recent example is Campbell, coming from Dallas where they had nearly no goalie structure, and Imoo helped turned him into an NHLer.

I'd actually think if there's any position that's more mental than others it's goalie. Why were guys like Mitch Korn and Allaire in such demand?

Like yes the team and system and everything around it matters, it's symbiotic, but it's pretty clear what happens to goalies when they pass through.

 

[Sausages]

On the contrary, you would think if fans of any organization would get it, it would be this one. After years and years of goalie failures, we finally started churning them out, and every goalie has credited Ranford, Imoo, et. al. bigtime. Quick especially. Most recent example is Campbell, coming from Dallas where they had nearly no goalie structure, and Imoo helped turned him into an NHLer.

I'd actually think if there's any position that's more mental than others it's goalie. Why were guys like Mitch Korn and Allaire in such demand?

Like yes the team and system and everything around it matters, it's symbiotic, but it's pretty clear what happens to goalies when they pass through.

I'd agree it's both and I'm not undervaluing the coaching, but the system made the goalies look good, I think Budaj is a good example of a backup excelling with the team.

 

[kilowatt]

Through 13 games, the Kings...
- are tied with Minnesota for the lowest points percentage in the league
- have given up the most goals against in the league
- have the second-worst penalty kill
- have the lowest shooting percentage in the league
- have given up the most goals against in the third period in the league

 

[BigBrown]

Average goals against is 4.15/game. That is unbelievably bad.

 

[Fishhead]

Through 13 games, the Kings...
- are tied with Minnesota for the lowest points percentage in the league
- have given up the most goals against in the league
- have the second-worst penalty kill
- have the lowest shooting percentage in the league
- have given up the most goals against in the third period in the league

Shit is looking good for a high pick this year. This team isn't as bad as they are playing, but I really don't want them to overachieve and end up on the bubble. I'm firmly on the "play well and lose 3-2" bandwagon.

TM is going to find what guys are suited to the system he wants to play and whoever doesn't fit is going to be gone. That's how you win, with everyone on the same page. DL and Murray were on the same page, and he brought in players for that heavy, defensively responsible style combined with a relentless forecheck. Sutter was basically an asshole version of Murray, very similar systems. As long as Blake and McClellan are on the same page, and the proper type of players are coming in, the chance for success is there. The downside is your f***ed when the league starts evolving, but if you win a cup or two who the f*** cares, right?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Average goals against is 4.15/game. That is unbelievably bad.

3.33 at home
4.86 on the road

**** is looking good for a high pick this year. This team isn't as bad as they are playing, but I really don't want them to overachieve and end up on the bubble. I'm firmly on the "play well and lose 3-2" bandwagon.

TM is going to find what guys are suited to the system he wants to play and whoever doesn't fit is going to be gone. That's how you win, with everyone on the same page. DL and Murray were on the same page, and he brought in players for that heavy, defensively responsible style combined with a relentless forecheck. Sutter was basically an ******* version of Murray, very similar systems. As long as Blake and McClellan are on the same page, and the proper type of players are coming in, the chance for success is there. The downside is your ****ed when the league starts evolving, but if you win a cup or two who the **** cares, right?

It's just going to take a while. DL started in 06-07, and if last year is the line of demarcation, then 07-08 is sort the equivalent of this year. The top 5 scorers on the team in 07-08 started the season at 20, 25, 22, 22, and 25 years of age. The top 5 scorers currently are 32, 29, 36, 34, and 34. It's a completely different animal this time.

You could say this year is closer to 05-06, just because Kopitar was drafted in the draft before that season, so that's kind of where they are with Turcotte in a way. The top 5 that year were 29, 33, 30, 23, and 23. Even that's different though. That's why no two rebuilding efforts are ever the same.

And do you really think this team is going to overachieve? When they fired Stevens/hired WD, they were 30th overall. When last year ended, they were 30th overall. Through 13 games, they are 30th overall. Well, tied for last overall, but they lost to Minnesota, so could say 31st. Either way. In their last 95 games, they're 30th overall, tied for last in GF, and 25th in GA. I don't think anyone has to worry about bubbles. They are solidly bad. Right down the middle of the ice. C, D, and G. There's not enough in any position. It's going to take a while.

 

[KINGS17]

Toffoli is a healthy scratch, which led to rumors that he could be traded to Ottawa, fueled by the presence of Senators GM Pierre Dorion in the Staples Center on Wednesday and Toffoli being a native of Ontario. However, Toffoli posted a minus-4 in his most recent contest, which seems the more likely reason for the benching.

ah man lol

Trade Toffoli to Ottawa for a bag of pucks. That will send a message. Keep f'ing around and you go from Southern California to Ottawa.

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[Fishhead]

I don't think the rebuild has really even started yet in earnest, so I would definitely say it's closer to 05-06. There is a slight advantage to having a Doughty and Kopitar already in the system. Doughty is still going to be fine when the youth are starting to come into their own, and you could argue the same for Kopitar since he doesn't play a bruising or speedy style. If things aren't working out with them they could be flipped a few years down the road for players who fit the age structure better, these two aren't falling off a cliff. So it's either a really good vet or some solid assets.

This rebuild will take a while, but I don't think it's necessarily going to take 6-7 years to build a contender. I don't say that because we have these elite players coming up but because things are moving towards a younger players league.

 

[Dutsh9]

This goes without saying. He may be a top 5 defensemean in the entire league so far this season.

Among Dmen with at least 100 minutes, he leads the league in CF%, FF% and SF%, is 3rd in xGF% and SCF%, is tied for 6th in even strength scoring and is 16th in GF%(which is the most impressive to me when you look at the Kings GF%).

You see those stats and assume he is being protected or given optimal zone starts, but he is second to last in Ozone start% and Ozone faceoff%.

Sean Walker is doing some very impressive things so far this year, who knows if he can keep it up, but so far he has been amazing.

Do you see Walker starting to get some PP minutes sooner than later as he is having an impressive start of the season?

 

[YP44]

That PK needs a lot of work

understatement

 

[YP44]

enough teams are looking for scoring 2nd line wingers that someone should overpay for Toffoli. 2nd and a prospect would be that overpayment IMO and Blake should jump on it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Do you see Walker starting to get some PP minutes sooner than later as he is having an impressive start of the season?

Probably, but unfortunately, he doesn't look very good there either.

Edit: either meaning like basically all our PP staff.

 

[YP44]

Probably, but unfortunately, he doesn't look very good there either.

Edit: either meaning like basically all our PP staff.

didn't look any worse than any other guy on the 2nd PP unit.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

didn't look any worse than any other guy on the 2nd PP unit.

Kind of my point, really.

For an offensive guy with good vision he seems to be no better than really anyone else there.

But it's early in his opportunity, to be fair

 

[raswilliam]

Just dug this gif up and posted on the main board to maybe stoke the fire a bit.

 

[crassbonanza]

Do you see Walker starting to get some PP minutes sooner than later as he is having an impressive start of the season?

He was on the second power play unit last night, but that unit didn't do too well. We will see if TMac shuffles it up again, but if he keeps playing the way he is, I see no reason why he won't continue to get expanded power play minutes.

 

[Bandit]

Just dug this gif up and posted on the main board to maybe stoke the fire a bit.

Stoke what fire? NHL GMs don't read hfboards.