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Peter James Bond II
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Blake Coleman does not compare to Toffoli...Coleman is the better player and by a good margin. He plays with intensity, is far more physical than Toffoli and never takes a shift off....Toffoli is not intense and often takes shifts and games off. They are completely different players. Coleman was the best player on the Devils this year and compares more to a 28 yr old Justin Williams. Would much rather have Coleman on my team. Brodeur knows the Devils on this board more then anyone and he even said Coleman was their best player this year.
Iafallo would be a better comparable to Coleman than TT.. Especially the contract situation (low cap hit, another year remaining).
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sure, those things are nice, but has Coleman scored a hat trick outside? #checkmate
Peter James Bond II
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goal one. tap in. goalie out of position. goal two, Toffoli whiffs badly...regains control and rifles one past a screened goalie. goal 3, empty net.
It's not like he went Auston Matthews 3 times past a goalie.
Holy shit, tomd, when did you change your name?
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How many times has Coleman gone Auston Matthews past the goalie? With 57 career goals it can't be very many.
Ziggy Stardust
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Speaking of weird...
At least Churla being acquired resulted into a better return later when they acquired Mattias Norstrom. I also believe that when they traded Zmolek to Chicago, they used the pick that was acquired to draft Frantisek Kaberle.
Peter James Bond II
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ask any GM if they would rather have Coleman or Toffoli (even if TT had 1.8 mil cap) and *32 would say Coleman.
*Seattle, Blake / Hextall included
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So what if that's true? The difference between the two players is not nearly as large as the difference between a 1st + 27th pick last year and the 2nd that Toffoli's supposed to return. Even taking into account the extra year given that you can add resigning conditions to a Toffoli deal.
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I have watched at least 10 Devils games this year and last game, they even had a special 3 minute feature on Coleman and how intense he is, how he prepares and how he never takes a shift off
and has the best compete on the Devils. It's true. I think this deal puts Tampa Bay as Cup favorites. They are missing this type of player. He will be their Justin Williams
To quote Brodeur on another thread: Decent return for Coleman, bummer to see him go since he was virtually the only Devil who was playing well this year. I wasn’t that high on Foote going into the draft last year, but we’ll see if he can develop into a middle six winger.
To quote a poster on lakingsinsider: Drew
Very true. I live in ny so watch the devils a fair amount and he definitely is a much more rounded player.
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Little Psycho
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Can't remember the last time a king got to be one of the three stars of the week
Raccoon Jesus
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Even down to being a bit of a late bloomer.
Tyler Toffoli scored 68 goals in the NHL (despite being younger) before Coleman even stepped on NHL ice.
"Now" is more important to contenders of course but track record isn't meaningless to the extent that one guy is worth a mid 1st and good prospect and the other is with a late 2nd and middling prospect. This is the kind of shit that was infuriating me in the Pageau discussions as well, guys getting the Canadian--and now east coast--boost in value.
Martyros
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The argument between the return Coleman got vs what Toffoli may get isn't what should be compared. What SHOULD be compared is the desperation amongst gms. Is there another gm out there that is willing to go all-in and do anything to make sure they get Toffoli vs someone else? Just because Coleman got that package, doesn't mean Toffoli will, even if we value his stock as much; but then again, we have seen worse. retire-to-be Erat got Forsberg, old has-been Zhitnik got an up and coming Coburn.
Why do we keep shouting florida? Is there a scout on an extended vacation?
Its not Barkov, or Hube, Trochek maybe? Do we have someone they think is an upgrade at center? They are still in the hunt for playoffs.
Its not Barkov, or Hube, Trochek maybe? Do we have someone they think is an upgrade at center? They are still in the hunt for playoffs.
The Tikkanen
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Trocheck would make sense if he's on the block. Sounded like they'd be open to dealing Hoffman if the net result was them getting a defenseman; Ie, Florida could swap Hoffman for a pick/prospect and then flip that for a defenseman. Florida could possibly call up Owen Tippett to fill in at forward if they dealt Trocheck/Hoffman. Not sure if the Kings would have interest in Hoffman as a UFA target.
I still think that Toff will go to the Bruins. The return will be somewhere in the neighborhood of a first, a top prospect, and we end up taking Backes too.
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