2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Steve Zissou]

As per Lebrun's predictions via The Athletic
LeBrun: Six specific trade deadline moves that make a lot of...

TOFFOLI

Los Angeles Kings trade Tyler Toffoli to the Calgary Flames in exchange for a 2020 second-round pick, prospect Adam Ruzicka and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2021. (Kings retain 30 percent of Toffoli’s $4.6 million cap hit.)
(Condition: Kings get the ’21 fourth-round pick if Toffoli re-signs with the Flames. If he doesn’t, the Flames retain the fourth-round pick).

MARTINEZ

Kings trade Alec Martinez to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for a 2021 second-round pick and prospect Sampo Ranta.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Grundstrom has been called up from ONT, Luff sent back down.

Luff, as least in my eyes, hasn't progressed at all since last season, and if anything seems overconfident and has been making small (but big) mistakes leading to chances for the opposition.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Exactly, maybe St. Louis was a better analogy than Washington,

I'm not saying Herby is wrong, he's not. I am saying however to place blame on management is ludicrous when it's something that just isn't done in pro sports.

What LA is going through, is the natural cycle of teams that win in cap leagues.....

His point was that management should have recognized that the winning was over with and a rebuild was 100% necessary ASAP after some players were great all season and should have been traded.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm not sure if Doughty re-signs if the rebuild started that early. Kopitar re-signed in Jan 2016 so he wasn't going anywhere.

It would have just been...

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

His point was that management should have recognized that the winning was over with and a rebuild was 100% necessary ASAP after some players were great all season and should have been traded.

Yep, winning was over with, less than a year after finishing 2nd in the Pacific.....no I mean it, finishing 2nd the year before was absolutely SURE FIRE that winning was over..right?

Hence, Washington, finishing what, 1st in Metro, or 2nd? they need to start as well right?

 

[Steve Zissou]

Yep, winning was over with, less than a year after finishing 2nd in the Pacific.....no I mean it, finishing 2nd the year before was absolutely SURE FIRE that winning was over..right?

Hence, Washington, finishing what, 1st in Metro, or 2nd? they need to start as well right?

I'm not a fortune teller and can predict the future. Hell, I thought Kovalchuk was worth the gamble since we weren't giving up any assets.

As such, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with his logic - feel free to @ him.

 

[mbar]

As per Lebrun's predictions via The Athletic
LeBrun: Six specific trade deadline moves that make a lot of...

TOFFOLI

Los Angeles Kings trade Tyler Toffoli to the Calgary Flames in exchange for a 2020 second-round pick, prospect Adam Ruzicka and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2021. (Kings retain 30 percent of Toffoli’s $4.6 million cap hit.)
(Condition: Kings get the ’21 fourth-round pick if Toffoli re-signs with the Flames. If he doesn’t, the Flames retain the fourth-round pick).

My take: I just don’t think the Kings will be able to drum up a first-round pick for Toffoli. He would fill a need rather perfectly for the Flames, who created cap space last month by trading away Michael Frolik, and have been looking for a right-shot, top-6 winger. Toffoli, who was OHL linemates with Flames centre Sean Monahan, has always made the most sense to me, but I guess part of the risk for the Flames is they aren’t 100 percent assured of making the playoffs and Toffoli is a pending UFA.

Then again, the faster you make this trade, the more help you get from him in making the playoffs. The Slovakian-born Ruzicka was a fourth-round pick in 2017 who had back-to-back 30-plus goal seasons in the OHL and this year is adjusting to his first pro year in the AHL. I think the Kings hope to get two assets for Toffoli. Would this do it? And could the Flames live with the price? I don’t think this is a crazy idea but it might be that the Kings, whether it’s with Calgary or another team, have to live with a second-round pick plus another conditional pick instead of the prospect.

MARTINEZ

Kings trade Alec Martinez to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for a 2021 second-round pick and prospect Sampo Ranta.

My take: My sense is the Kings won’t be able to duplicate the same package they got for Jake Muzzin a year ago with Martinez, whom teams I’ve talked to view just a notch below his former teammate. But I do think Martinez, 32, has something to offer: He’s a lefty who can play both sides, I love that flexibility, he’s got championship experience and I sense a fresh start away from rebuilding L.A. will get this guy going. He’s also signed for another season at $4 million, which is decent value.

As I’ve said before, I think the Avs should be thinking hard about adding another blueliner even though they have no glaring need for it right now. If you’re planning to play two months of playoff hockey, you’re going to potentially need 9-10 D. It’s a grind. The Kings are aiming to trade Martinez for a second-round pick and a prospect. Ranta is a 2018 third-rounder who recently played for Finland at the world juniors. Our prospects guru, Corey Pronman, feels Ranta’s upside is limited to bottom-six NHL forward although he likes his speed and size. The Avs don’t have a second-rounder this year, hence the ’21 pick. Maybe the Avs feel this is too rich a price and would rather just pay the second-round pick or substitute the prospect for another conditional pick.

I really don’t think you should cut and pate so much from a subscription site. Someone had already posted the gist.

Journalists deserve to get paid.

 

[Steve Zissou]

I really don’t think you should cut and pate so much from a subscription site. Someone had already posted the gist.

Journalists deserve to get paid.

Concur.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Plenty of bad teams trade older more expensive players to get younger and build for the future. You will see teams do it in the next couple weeks leading up to the deadline. The Kings were on their way to missing the playoffs for a 2nd time in 3 years and had a dismal farm system.

They were not contenders, and they had a 32 year old asset that would have had value to contending teams around the league (sorry KF8724 it only takes one and someone would have been in on him).

It does only take one, but what would be great to know is what even just one team was offering if Carter had been made available in 2017. All I know is that nowhere in 2017, from Jan to Dec, was a player that was 32 with 5 years left traded. If Carter was made available, would there have been a market? What would the market have been? You talk about getting younger and building for the future, but what tells you that a player at that age, with that remaining contract, brings back youth/future? Maybe the market could've been a couple 26 year old role players, somewhat similar to Visnovsky. Of course it's also possible that DL accepted two role players for Visnovsky because they fit his grand plan, and he had Doughty, which now made Visnovsky expendable. Columbus got less for Carter than they gave up to get him, and he had just turned 27 when he got here. Could the Kings have even gotten the equivalent of Johnson and a late 1st a full 5 years later? Nobody knows for sure, but again, no 32 year old with 5 years left was traded around that time. Could move a contract for a contract, but that's not what people talk about when Carter/2017 comes up. Would getting rid of Carter for the sake of getting rid of him, because the run was over, been enough of a reason to trade him?

The closest trade might be Weber to Montreal in 2016. However, he wasn't traded for futures, it was an established player, who wasn't that much younger, and wasn't that much cheaper in the short term. Also, again, Nashville wasn't trying to rebuild though. The mindset of a GM can change acceptable value. Rebuilding, retooling, trying to contend, can all have different returns for the same player. But, if they were trying to rebuild, I'm not sure they could've traded Weber for young talent.

Missing the playoffs one year, getting dominated another year and then missing the year after that doesn't make a team a contender. The Kings have won 1 playoff game since the cup wins and you are afraid of making changes, it's amazing, oh well I hope you're happy with the current state of the team, it didn't have to be this way.

I'm not sure it's being afraid to make changes, so much as it's realizing how difficult it is to make the kinds of changes we want. We want all the old guys to be traded for pretty decent potential, and that's not really what happens anywhere in the league. Maybe before the cap. Prior to 2005, Kopitar, Carter, and Quick could've been traded in one massive deal with where they were in age and salary in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020, to Detroit or Toronto, without the Wings or Leafs thinking twice about it. Multiple 1sts, a couple prospects, no cumbersome contracts have to come back, a whole thing. That doesn't happen much these days. It's never been more difficult to make trades than it is now. 15 years into the cap, many teams have made countless mistakes with contracts, everyone has a problem, and nobody wants to give up cheap production. Not for 30+ year olds. Maybe if you're a top level 25 year old you can bring back Schenn and Simmonds. A 31 year old Richards, even if healthy, isn't bringing back Schenn and Simmonds in their early 20's.

With no MVP year from Kopitar in 17-18, maybe Doughty makes it more difficult for the franchise that summer, and instead of re-signing him, they get a similar deal that Ottawa got for Karlsson. Although that trade looks a hell of a lot better because SJ sucks now, which wasn't the plan in SJ.

 

[BigKing]

Disregard.

 

[Little Psycho]

 

[redcard]

@KingsFan7824

He didn't have Doughty when he traded Visnovsky: he had Hickey and Jack Johnson.

Visnovsky trade was June 29, 2008, 9 days after Doughty was drafted.

 

[KingLB]

I really don’t think you should cut and pate so much from a subscription site. Someone had already posted the gist.

Journalists deserve to get paid.

Curious why you feel that way about a pay site vs a non paid site like TSN?

 

[BigKing]

Visnovsky trade was June 29, 2008, 9 days after Doughty was drafted.

Oh man. Chalk it up to post Super Bowl hangover. Was thinking Visnovsky only played one season with Lombardi as GM.

 

[Choralone]

It would have just been...

But would that have been before or after you visited the opium den, Mr. Brocius?

 

[Bandit]

Yeah, but grab some lube because 2019-2022.

 

[ZJames]

It's unfortunate that they don't acknowledge that Vilardi is finally healthy and playing.

 

[Stimpythecat]

From something like 29th to best in just 3 years. And there's the hopeful lottery pick this year...

 

[mbar]

Curious why you feel that way about a pay site vs a non paid site like TSN?

Actually you are right. It's true for paid and unpaid sites.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Article summary: 99% of it is about a bunch of good forwards - the rest is 1 defenseman (Clague), and 2 goalies to watch (Lukas Parik and Jacob Ingham).

With your 5th pick in the upcoming draft the LA Kings take Jamie Drysdale!

 

[King'sPawn]

It's unfortunate that they don't acknowledge that Vilardi is finally healthy and playing.

"The Kings have numerous other high-end forwards, from Carl Grundstrom (acquired from the Maple Leafs in the Jake Muzzin trade) to Akil Thomas, to Gabe Vilardi, to Aiden Dudas," Bell wrote. "This is a very exciting crop of forwards."

They listed him as a high end forward on a short list. Seems like an acknowledgment.

 

[YP44]

It's unfortunate that they don't acknowledge that Vilardi is finally healthy and playing.

they do list him in with the glut of other forwards in LA's system

let people sleep on Vilardi. I'm even trying to just see him as a bonus.

 

[AlphaBravo]

We don’t have any high end talent. Grundy, JAD etc are all bottom six forwards. Our only hope is Kaliyev, Vilardi and maybe Turcotte.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Hopefully Grundstrom takes Lewis' spot, for the rest of the season.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Hopefully Grundstrom takes Lewis' spot, for the rest of the season.

In order for that to happen someone would have to want Lewis.