2019-20 Kings News/Rumors
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Weird comeback. He's also second in win above replacement for this decade. But I think you've proven yourself too bias against Kopitar to have reasonable discussions with on this topic. Must suck to have to actively root against the kings best player year after year, just because of HF Boards arguments, that you refuse to back down from.
Raccoon Jesus
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Yeah, Drew was awesome through the first two rounds, then he was visibly screwed after that Sharks Game 7 ankle roll.
KingCanadain1976
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Just curious where does talking about the past cups of the kings fall in rumors or news I would think its more kings history 
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Which makes the point surely, they were not at their very best and we didn’t win. Both are elite, franchise players and that’s the difference between elite and generational. The generational guys are consistently at the top of their games, every season. The elite players, all have the occasional dips in play.
Doughty and Kopitar (& Quick) were the players that took us over the top in 2012/14. Of course other players had great moments but their consistent elite level throughout both runs means the highlights from Carter, Richard, Williams etc were match winning contributions rather than consolatory highlights.
I don’t believe you can’t see that, as you generally seem to understand the game. I can only conclude that you're deliberately underselling their contributions, I’m just not sure if it’s to win the argument or some other bias against them.
King'sPawn
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Just curious where does talking about the past cups of the kings fall in rumors or news I would think its more kings history
Sharks fans feel that 2014 never happened and it was just a rumor
KingCanadain1976
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Bandit
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Because it’s a rumor that the Kings were ever any good, or ever had any players that were worth a damn. Give it a couple more years and it will be a rumor that we ever won the cup once, let alone twice.Just curious where does talking about the past cups of the kings fall in rumors or news I would think its more kings history
raswilliam
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Perfect time to bust out the greatest gif ever madeSharks fans feel that 2014 never happened and it was just a rumor
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Axl Rhoadz
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Kopitar was absolutely horrid in the 2013 playoffs...the biggest disappointment was to hear him say he wasn't injured at all.
bland
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No, Kopitar, Brown, Quick and Doughty were the base. It was the injection of will, character and leadership from Richards, Williams, Mitchell and Sutter that made them champions. The core lost before their arrival and since their departure.
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KingsFan7824
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They also needed two injections of talent/offense with Carter and Gaborik. The will would've meant nothing without them on the other end, as they won nothing before the talent showed up. They were struggling to even simply stay in the playoff race. Hell, who knows, this team may never have won without Dwight King and Jordan Nolan. Most of what happened in 11-12 didn't even go according to plan. Or, at least as much according to plan as the Blues knowing Berube and Binnington would be the keys to the Cup.
Most of all that good golden age stuff was still there in 14-15 too, and they couldn't even beat a pre-McDavid Oilers team in a must win game. They didn't have Mitchell or Greene in 2013, and still clawed their way through a few rounds.
We've certainly created a myth around the golden age. It's the same myth that DL believed in when he didn't, couldn't, let go of Richards. Same myth he believed in when he re-signed Gaborik for 7 years. Brought Greene back. Traded for Sekera and Lucic.
You need everything coming together at the right time to win.
Choralone
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Damn. Sounds like our piece of shit core just got lucky with all that surrounding talent. Imagine if we had a really good core. We could have had a 10-year dynasty, easy! Is that my takeaway?
Raccoon Jesus
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Sort of. The core actually sucks, the real drivers were the guys this forum couldn't wait to get rid of, like Williams, Mitchell, Regehr, Greene, et. al.
KINGS17
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I think three years was about all we could expect. The guys providing the bulk of the leadership were older and their talent was waning. The mistake was not recognizing the ride was over at some point after the 2014-15 season. The guys were tired of playing the demanding style Sutter knew was necessary for this group to win. They simply weren't talented enough to not play the "it's a 3-2 league" game, and still win.
riznat
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Raccoon Jesus
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Some people won't settle until they see Kopitar's, Doughty's, and Quick's legacies reduced to passengers on teams whose real stars were Jarret Stoll and Rob Scuderi, and will boo their jerseys in the rafters when it's time. And you don't even want to know what will happen to their bobbleheads on legends night.
Ziggy Stardust
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Maybe if Waddell got beaten by a stupid stick. Bokk alone would be sufficient, and I’m sure Carolina still wouldn’t do that.
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KINGS17
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Kopitar, Brown, Doughty, and Quick were not passengers during the 3-year run. Kopitar and Doughty are not the "superstars" some here want to make them out to be though. They are lacking in leadership and their production from season to season is inconsistent. The Kings won Stanley Cups with a very well balanced lineup.
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