2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

[Milhouse40]

This is exactly what should and hopefully will happen regarding the 4 2nd's, everytime i step back and look at it i cant even BELIEVE we have that many... i cant imagine for the life of me that we keep all 4, theres just no way, how a GM wouldnt think that instead of 4 2nd's there would HAVE to be a way to leverage it and something else to get back into the 1st

all this talk of trading back from 3 is MORTIFYING, i cant get over it, grab BPA and get BACK into the first is what we should be doing, not backing up from 3 and selecting 1 mid first rounder and a million 2nds...

And hopefully the stuff about Carolina is true, ..again i cant imagine carolina isnt thinking about it at LEAST, which is spawning all these 2nd and 3rd overall prospect gap debates, as in, is svech THAT much better that carolina would never take or consider Zadina at 3?

i think its clear as day Svech is better than Zadina, but i think its also clear that Carolina is also seriously looking at Zadina now also, and that maybe they think the gap isnt THAT large between the two, certainly not to the point of not considering even for a LITTLe bit the notion of taking Zadina at 2, because of this godsend Necas factor

another thing we have going for us is the russian history of top 5 picks, do you get an ovechkin malkin or are you getting a yakupov or zherdev

There's not one draft that the top 5 picks end up being the top 5 players of their draft. Trading down is a non sense to me.

Almost Every draft, the #1 is a given
Many draft, there's 2 can't miss player.
But after that, it's always up to debate.

The difference is that at #3 you get the one you want. That guy might be gone at 7 or 8 or whatever. But that's when an organisation must do their work and not take "the list" as their own and take the one they think is going to be the best NHLer.

 

[jaffy27]

If you spell him that way, sure.

.....Duh!!!!!!

Veleno.......sorry lol

 

[GREMLIN]

Its not as if FF hasnt played with anyone good in his career. If he was a 40/40 guy hed be a 40/40 guy. Hes not.

Who has he played with that comes anywhere close to Marchand and Bergeron??

Marchand’s been the best LW in the league the last 2 seasons and Bergeron is Bergeron. Marchand was on pace for over 100 pts this year

It’s debatable, Pastrnak is absolutely filthy but so is FF.

Anyway, if you think Zadina can be either of those guys you pick him at 3, only a surefire 1C should go before that kind of talent and there isn’t one in this draft, as much as I like Kotkaniemi.

 

[Mrb1p]

Who has he played with that comes anywhere close to Marchand and Bergeron??

Marchand’s been the best LW in the league the last 2 seasons and Bergeron is Bergeron. Marchand was on pace for over 100 pts this year

It’s debatable, Pastrnak is absolutely filthy but so is FF.

Anyway, if you think Zadina can be either of those guys you pick him at 3, only a surefire 1C should go before that kind of talent and there isn’t one in this draft, as much as I like Kotkaniemi.

Subban, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, Johansen, Arvidsson... the teammate argument is weak, come on, hes on a powerhouse team.
FF has always been my boy. I had him as the best forward in 2012, I still have Pastrnak ahead by quite a bit.

 

[CapSpace]

How about trading one of our 2nd to trade up to 2nd overall and select Svechnikov?

Add Lindgren if necessary.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Subban, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, Johansen, Arvidsson... the teammate argument is weak, come on, hes on a powerhouse team.
FF has always been my boy. I had him as the best forward in 2012, I still have Pastrnak ahead by quite a bit.

Forsberg led Nashville in scoring despite playing only 67 games... Pastrnak was t even the highest scoring winger on his line

 

[Mrb1p]

Forsberg led Nashville in scoring despite playing only 67 games... Pastrnak was t even the highest scoring winger on his line

Marchand and Bergeron both spiked in production when Pastrnak came in, kinda like Panarin with Kane.

They benefit from each other.

 

[GoldOnGold]

Before this year, I would have definitely put Forsberg in the tier below Pastrnak.

But Forsberg had 64 points in only 67 games this year, good for a 78-point pace over a full season. Pastrnak, who did play the full season, got 80 points.

 

[yianik]

Before this year, I would have definitely put Forsberg in the tier below Pastrnak.

But Forsberg had 64 points in only 67 games this year, good for a 78-point pace over a full season. Pastrnak, who did play the full season, got 80 points.

I would take either.

 

[Runner77]

This is exactly what should and hopefully will happen regarding the 4 2nd's, everytime i step back and look at it i cant even BELIEVE we have that many... i cant imagine for the life of me that we keep all 4, theres just no way, how a GM wouldnt think that instead of 4 2nd's there would HAVE to be a way to leverage it and something else to get back into the 1st

all this talk of trading back from 3 is MORTIFYING, i cant get over it, grab BPA and get BACK into the first is what we should be doing, not backing up from 3 and selecting 1 mid first rounder and a million 2nds...

And hopefully the stuff about Carolina is true, ..again i cant imagine carolina isnt thinking about it at LEAST, which is spawning all these 2nd and 3rd overall prospect gap debates, as in, is svech THAT much better that carolina would never take or consider Zadina at 3?

i think its clear as day Svech is better than Zadina, but i think its also clear that Carolina is also seriously looking at Zadina now also, and that maybe they think the gap isnt THAT large between the two, certainly not to the point of not considering even for a LITTLe bit the notion of taking Zadina at 2, because of this godsend Necas factor

another thing we have going for us is the russian history of top 5 picks, do you get an ovechkin malkin or are you getting a yakupov or zherdev

I agree with your take. I don't like the idea of trading down, it's fraught with uncertainty, the biggest one being our head decision-maker. That's not the kind of move you have an incompetent GM make, as the lower down you go, the better you need to be at sorting out the best available player. The decision to pick at three points to Zadina in terms of several sources, so even Bergevin can't get it wrong. And I'm not suggesting that there aren't other equivalent options at the third pick, only that we could steer clear of worse ones at that spot, like Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi.

Carolina should have an interest for Zadina, for the reasons you gave. If the Habs don't want to take the chance that Carolina goes for Zadina, then why not explore flipping the picks and seeing what Carolina might accept in exchange for selecting a player they already like.

 

[Runner77]

.....Duh!!!!!!

Veleno.......sorry lol

Just kidding, lol.

By the way, did you hear the segment on 690 involving Mark Edwards of the Black Book? He had a pretty scathing assessment of Veleno.

Going from memory, I think he said something along the lines of Veleno not having enough scoring ability and poor hockey sense, how he has him ranked as an early 2nd rounder vs. colleagues that have him mid-second round, says that he doesn't even think that Veleno will stay at center.

 

[Runner77]

As an aside, do any of you buy those draft books and magazines that most appear in June? Aren't they kind of redundant, given the wealth of info that posters here come up with?

 

[Redux91]

I agree with your take. I don't like the idea of trading down, it's fraught with uncertainty, the biggest one being our head decision-maker. That's not the kind of move you have an incompetent GM make, as the lower down you go, the better you need to be at sorting out the best available player. The decision to pick at three points to Zadina in terms of several sources, so even Bergevin can' get it wrong. And I'm not suggesting that there aren't other equivalent options at the third pick, only that we could steer clear of worse ones at that spot, like Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi.

Carolina should have an interest for Zadina, for the reasons you gave. If the Habs don't want to take the chance that Carolina goes for Zadina, then why not explore flipping the picks and seeing what Carolina might accept in exchange for selecting a player they already like.

1st bold : you put that perfectly, i dont understand why management would give themselves the headache of swimming in murkier waters.. makes 0 sense to me

2nd bold : This has to be a possibility, it just has to be, and they for SURE like him after keeping an eye on Necas and up until 2 days ago had ZERO SHOT (ok 3 % shot) at both Svech and Zadina, and this will at the very least probably illicit a couple phone calls. discussions better be had on this at the management level for both sides
4 second rounders are you shitting me? even 2 is a lot... they HAVE to leverage one or two of those into moving up to 2nd or getting back into the first round, Its imperative.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I would take either.

Well I think at 3, we are going to get that type of player. Svechnikov would be Pastrnak, the sublime offensive force, while Zadina would be Forsberg, the supremely skilled all around stud.

 

[Redux91]

As an aside, do any of you buy those draft books and magazines that most appear in June? Aren't they kind of redundant, given the wealth of info that posters here come up with?

Save your money and read HF unfortunately lol... by and by we have some pretty good people here, and probably most of them better info and insight than most printing or posting their stuff online..so called experts..

Well the experts say one thing, and the scouts say one thing, and us armchair GM/scouts say one thing...all 3 for the most part are pretty similar, except for the fact that HF has a loyal army of scouts that VASTLY outnumber the scouts actually employed by NHL teams

Organizations send a couple people around and they have to travel, HF has thousands of fans that go to all games , pro, junior, overseas.. if you know how to look, we're spoiled

i mean people can say what they want about HF, but if youre smart enough to filter thru the bullshit, you WILL find some people worth reading, worth listening to, and thank god to the people who post the important twitter burbs, .. i STILL refuse to ever join twitter as i find it mindless and shallow, but to the people who DO follow a number of people in the know and in the business, i thank them all heavily for keeping us all up to date with GREAT information

You could go and listen to ONLY the real, paid, professional scouts...but at the end of the day, it remains an opinion, and every single one of us who watch hockey with a good head on our shoulders, can scout just as much as the pro

 

[WinterLion]

Boqvist is impressive because of his smarts. In all of his U-18 games, I don't think anyone pressured him once. He made the right play almost every time. When he went on offense, when something didn't work, he already had the foresight to know how it wouldn't work and was back to cover it up almost immediately.

OK, I'll give another look. His shot and ability to jump into the rush really impressed me, just not the other things. Of course Sweden was also playing a REALLY boring and defensive style.... which probably didn't help.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Yes, but what major change? Theyre not going to land a 1C, 1LD, D depth, 2C without the assets.

No way - I never thought of it like that

Did you understand the context of why I was saying what I was?

You don't need to convince me by telling us how shitty the team is for the millionth time

 

[sandviper]

As an aside, do any of you buy those draft books and magazines that most appear in June? Aren't they kind of redundant, given the wealth of info that posters here come up with?

Not me as all that info is online. That said, I do think anyone who simply “reads”, print is totally fine and in the case of these draft books and magazines, you’ll get editorials from some good writers.

My only gripe with magazines, and it’s simply a drawback of the medium, is that information is always going to be out of date.

 

[sandviper]

Just kidding, lol.

By the way, did you hear the segment on 690 involving Mark Edwards of the Black Book? He had a pretty scathing assessment of Veleno.

Going from memory, I think he said something along the lines of Veleno not having enough scoring ability and poor hockey sense, how he has him ranked as an early 2nd rounder vs. colleagues that have him mid-second round, says that he doesn't even think that Veleno will stay at center.

That’s a little rough of an opinion. I definitely have Veleno in the first round, but in the 20s. I think the scoring ability is a valid argument and the hockey IQ definitely. This is what separates him against say somebody like Kotkaniemi. Kotkaniemi may not skate better than Veleno, but his IQ makes up for it big for me.

 

[Mrb1p]

No way - I never thought of it like that

Did you understand the context of why I was saying what I was?

You don't need to convince me by telling us how ****ty the team is for the millionth time

Then why not do things the right way instead of trying to gather spare parts to create a frankenstein team?

 

[Runner77]

4 second rounders are you ****ting me? even 2 is a lot... they HAVE to leverage one or two of those into moving up to 2nd or getting back into the first round, Its imperative.

I'd be looking at Calgary, who have no picks in the first two rounds -- I'd try and land their 2nd and 3rd rounder in 2019 in exchange for one of our 2018 seconds. Or their 2nd rounder in 2019 plus something.

Florida Panthers might be interesting if the Habs can use Pacioretty and a 2nd for their first round pick and something. There may be room to move.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'd be looking at Calgary, who have no picks in the first two rounds -- I'd try and land their 2nd and 3rd rounder in 2019 in exchange, their 2nd rounder plus something. Florida Panthers might be interesting if the Habs can use Pacioretty and a 2nd for their first round pick and something. There may be room to move.

A 2nd this year for calgarys first next year would be perfect

 

[Runner77]

A 2nd this year for calgarys first next year would be perfect

For us, yeah. But, seems a little steep for them.

 

[Mrb1p]

For us, yeah. But, seems a little steep for them.

A 2nd and a 3rd then sure. Wtv.

In all seriousness, Calgary, Colorado, Arizona, Minnesota, Philly, Anaheim, La CBJ are all bubble teams that id love to try to grab their 2019 first.

 

[The Great Weal]

A 2nd and a 3rd then sure. Wtv.

In all seriousness, Calgary, Colorado, Arizona, Minnesota, Philly, Anaheim, La CBJ are all bubble teams that id love to try to grab their 2019 first.

Pacioretty+2nd for Kings 1st this year, 1st next year, JAD

Too good to be true