2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

[Maitz]

You're downplaying Dobson's skill so hard. Skating is a skill, y'know, as is defensive play and hockey IQ.

I know, I love Dobson as a prospect but I would be deceive take him at 3

 

[Anardil]

Play like kaka for Kakko!

They have got to come up with a LOVE button!! Screw Lose 4Hughes! #Play like kaka for Kakko

 

[Jabba11]

Dobson is definitely going to be a great D. Except we need an offensive D, pretty much every team has one. Mete’s solid but he’s never going to become a 40-50 point D. Weber is great on the PP but by no means is he an offensive D.

Hughes gives us someone to play with Weber probably as soon as 2019-2020, and we get that elite puck carrier we’ve solely needed since MB stupidly traded Subban and Sergachev.

What makes you say that Dobson isn't an offensive dmen? Because he's just as good defensively as offensively?

89 points in 91 games this season in QMJHL + Playoffs + Memorial Cup isn't enough for you? While playing against team's top line and defending as well. Dobson is an absolute beast. I would take him 3rd overall if Svechnikov is gone. He will bring you offense and his potential is crazy. Defenceman like him are so rare in the league and well in demand. Probably the most looked for type of player after #1C.

 

[S Bah]

Haven't seen enough of Kotkaneimi's play, he impresses regardless, Dobson I have watched play and he resembles Larry Robinson. Having laid floors for Larry's relations & Gallaghers, whom I love both the players & families. Dobson's poise/play along with the growth possible, is intriguing. Dellandrea's talent/size is draft worthy as is Bokk's & Noel's. Our new coach's will know better about Veleno & Beaudin as to their value to the team, I believe both are deserving of long deliberation. Then again I'm not a scout, Jake Evans, Lukas Vejdemo & Ryan Poehling are centers already in our system, that may surprise all Habs fans next season.(I am hoping the many prospects drafted the last few yrs. really step in and help transform our Habs into a legitimate threat to win the SCC every year. Not likely until they gain a year or two experience at the NHL level.) If not then most likely we will be picking Top Five again next year.
If the Habs miss picking the above players, then 2nd rounders I like are Kupari, Tychonick, Bernard - Docker, Merkley, Ranta, Miller, Berggren, Alexeyev, O'Brien & Zavgorodny. Another asset that I deem important is gaining a RHC or winger for our PP which has sucked for far to long, Get It Done Habs, with all the combines along with huge hours in amateur scouting, let's make this draft memorable for all the right reasons. Thanks from a lifelong Habs fan out west, one amongst multitudes longing for the Habs to become a possession team with fast strike offence like teams throughout history. .

 

[NotProkofievian]

Haven't seen enough of Kotkaneimi's play, he impresses regardless, Dobson I have watched play and he resembles Larry Robinson. Having laid floors for Larry's relations & Gallaghers, whom I love both the players & families. Dobson's poise/play along with the growth possible, is intriguing. Dellandrea's talent/size is draft worthy as is Bokk's & Noel's. Our new coach's will know better about Veleno & Beaudin as to their value to the team, I believe both are deserving of long deliberation. Then again I'm not a scout, Jake Evans, Lukas Vejdemo & Ryan Poehling are centers already in our system, that may surprise all Habs fans next season.(I am hoping the many prospects drafted the last few yrs. really step in and help transform our Habs into a legitimate threat to win the SCC every year. Not likely until they gain a year or two experience at the NHL level.) If not then most likely we will be picking Top Five again next year.
If the Habs miss picking the above players, then 2nd rounders I like are Kupari, Tychonick, Bernard - Docker, Merkley, Ranta, Miller, Berggren, Alexeyev, O'Brien & Zavgorodny. Another asset that I deem important is gaining a RHC or winger for our PP which has sucked for far to long, Get It Done Habs, with all the combines along with huge hours in amateur scouting, let's make this draft memorable for all the right reasons. Thanks from a lifelong Habs fan out west, one amongst multitudes longing for the Habs to become a possession team with fast strike offence like teams throughout history. .

I don't think we'll be so lucky as to be able to select Kupari or Tychonick with a 2nd. However, we may be lucky enough to select someone who I have ranked above both those players: Jonatan Berggren. Barry is simply unbelievable in SuperElit. He's everything you want from a ''smaller'' player. He's a fantastic skater, one of the best passers I've watched this year, and highly competitive. He's always trying to kill the other team, and he has the tools to do it.

 

[Phozzwald]

No on Tychonick, and definite no on considering BO Groulx or M Samuelsson

Not a fan of those guys? Who do you like there instead?

 

[Phozzwald]

Despite my bias and preference to Boqvist, I agree with Zadina at #3 as he’s among the BPA and fills a need goalscoring-wise, especially if/when we deal our current LW captain.

Yes to O’Brien as well. Dellandrea would be a steal IMO if he is there for our seconds.

Still hoping for one of Sandin or AlexAlex for our #35. Also want Hillis with one of our seconds.

Note that I expect this but a haul of Zadina, Sandin, Dellandrea, Hillis and O’Brien would be awesome. That said, while unlikely all 5 are picked, let alone be available when we pick, I think at least 3/5 are obtainable (Dellandrea and Sandin I think will be gone before #35).

I think Sandin will be gone 100%. More of a chance to get Dellandrea but you’re right there is a good chance he could be gone as well. I could see the Habs trading up to get him if they get that feeling as well

 

[le_sean]

I know, I love Dobson as a prospect but I would be deceive take him at 3

I don’t know, last season showed us the importance of having a defender you can put in any situation and for 25+ mins a game. You lose that and your team completely implodes. Having that in the pipeline would be massive. Get your offence in Round 2 and in 2019.

 

[schnapshot]

What makes you say that Dobson isn't an offensive dmen? Because he's just as good defensively as offensively?

89 points in 91 games this season in QMJHL + Playoffs + Memorial Cup isn't enough for you? While playing against team's top line and defending as well. Dobson is an absolute beast. I would take him 3rd overall if Svechnikov is gone. He will bring you offense and his potential is crazy. Defenceman like him are so rare in the league and well in demand. Probably the most looked for type of player after #1C.

Because when you watch him play you can tell that he’s not going to be an offensive dynamo. He might be a 40-50 point D that is rock solid though, which is very good. Some scouts have concerns about his offensive game translating.

Points in junior don’t always project as big offense in the NHL for Dmen, you can look up Zach Bogosian or Calvin de Haan’s numbers and they were pretty much the same as Dobson’s. Which isn’t to say that Dobson is comparable to these guys, but trying to project him offensively is difficult, he doesn’t have much flash to his game.

Pardon me if I prefer Hughes and his offensive projection as well as the fact he’s a LD, that’s enough for me...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not a fan of those guys? Who do you like there instead?

I'll let you know when Bobs list is out and I can more accurately assume where players may go.. but yes Groulx and M Samuelsson are not players i would be interested in.

 

[Habs Icing]

He does also control the play.. he's a very very smart player, he recognizes his spots.

Spots as in a leopard can't changed them?

 

[Habs Icing]

So I was at my barbers as my boys were getting a hair cut.

Guy comes in and sits down. He isn't looking for a hair cut. He had an epiphany and wanted to talk about it.

Habs should draft the 6'3" Brady Tkachuk because they need a guy to CREATE offence. I'm like, he scored 8 goals. Sure he said but he killed it at the under 20s and his father is Keith Tkachuk, who says Brady is tougher and better than he was. I looked in the man's eyes and knew just to keep moving.

Got to the car, he had followed me and kept going on Tkachuk. The guy had just figured out the key to taking our 1st step back to greatness and needed to tell it. At this very moment he may be trying to reach TT to make sure TT understands who we need select.

I hope we can trade up for Svech. Seems it will be simpler then.

Why didn't you just tell him, "Hey, go buy another pair of purple pants."

 

[MrNasty]

I'll let you know when Bobs list is out and I can more accurately assume where players may go.. but yes Groulx and M Samuelsson are not players i would be interested in.

Those two are not sexy picks. Not necessarily high-end talent but they could be solid players.
I tend to think Timmins will use his 4 second round picks on a combo of player types. He will swing for the fences on a couple and take a couple more sure bets. I can see Groulx being a sure bet to make the NHL, he just won't be top 6 player.

 

[Jabba11]

Because when you watch him play you can tell that he’s not going to be an offensive dynamo. He might be a 40-50 point D that is rock solid though, which is very good. Some scouts have concerns about his offensive game translating.

Points in junior don’t always project as big offense in the NHL for Dmen, you can look up Zach Bogosian or Calvin de Haan’s numbers and they were pretty much the same as Dobson’s. Which isn’t to say that Dobson is comparable to these guys, but trying to project him offensively is difficult, he doesn’t have much flash to his game.

Pardon me if I prefer Hughes and his offensive projection as well as the fact he’s a LD, that’s enough for me...

I'd rather have this kind of production and also have his two way game and defensive game. You mentioned both Bogosian and CDH but neither of those guys put up even 30 points season (once for bogosian and it was 30 flush). Neither were comparable to Dobson in juniors.

Here's a guy that you might consider not offensive enough for you, but he's exactly the type of player that we lack forever outside of a #1C:
Alex Pietrangelo hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

And I get you want to see some flash of offense in your dmen but I just don't see it in Hughes. As far I am concerned, his shot is to be work on a lot and just like your opinion and doubt on Dobson's offense to translate into the NHL, I just don't see Hughes being able to translate his game in the NHL.

In the best case scenario, Hughes reaches the potential of a Shayne Gostibehere. But no way he has a shot like Ghost. And even then, Ghost's defensive game is not top of the league. I'd prefer a big 2 way player that put up less points and is reliable both ways. We always here the same worrying issues when it comes to 2-way defender. All in all, I rather build around a defenceman like Dobson than Hughes, but I think they're both incredible prospects.

 

[G0bias]

Those two are not sexy picks. Not necessarily high-end talent but they could be solid players.
I tend to think Timmins will use his 4 second round picks on a combo of player types. He will swing for the fences on a couple and take a couple more sure bets. I can see Groulx being a sure bet to make the NHL, he just won't be top 6 player.

You aim for top-6/top-4 and starters, always. Specially that high.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

I'd rather have this kind of production and also have his two way game and defensive game. You mentioned both Bogosian and CDH but neither of those guys put up even 30 points season (once for bogosian and it was 30 flush). Neither were comparable to Dobson in juniors.

Here's a guy that you might consider not offensive enough for you, but he's exactly the type of player that we lack forever outside of a #1C:
Alex Pietrangelo hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

And I get you want to see some flash of offense in your dmen but I just don't see it in Hughes. As far I am concerned, his shot is to be work on a lot and just like your opinion and doubt on Dobson's offense to translate into the NHL, I just don't see Hughes being able to translate his game in the NHL.

In the best case scenario, Hughes reaches the potential of a Shayne Gostibehere. But no way he has a shot like Ghost. And even then, Ghost's defensive game is not top of the league. I'd prefer a big 2 way player that put up less points and is reliable both ways. We always here the same worrying issues when it comes to 2-way defender. All in all, I rather build around a defenceman like Dobson than Hughes, but I think they're both incredible prospects.

Did you forget about the guy in your avatar? 2016 doesn't feel like forever ago.

 

[Mrb1p]

You can get 3rd and 4th liners for cheap on the market, no need to waste a 2nd on one.

 

[jaffy27]

Why didn't you just tell him, "Hey, go buy another pair of purple pants."

He must’ve been talking to this guy then....

 

[Mrb1p]

Did you forget about the guy in your avatar? 2016 doesn't feel like forever ago.

Yeah, game breakers, plz. Dobson aint that.

Mind you, hes a really great pick even at three but you have to hope for someone that can create goals for the Habs.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Those two are not sexy picks. Not necessarily high-end talent but they could be solid players.
I tend to think Timmins will use his 4 second round picks on a combo of player types. He will swing for the fences on a couple and take a couple more sure bets. I can see Groulx being a sure bet to make the NHL, he just won't be top 6 player.

If I was forced, I would take M Samuelsson because at least he's a third pairing D who won't hurt you.. Groulx I doubt becomes anything more than a coaches pet fourth liner. He's not good.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Yeah, game breakers, plz. Dobson aint that.

Mind you, hes a really great pick even at three but you have to hope for someone that can create goals for the Habs.

I wasn't saying he's a gamebreaker by any means, I just found his choice of words odd. We've had a Norris trophy winner on D as recent as 2013, but apparently a D of Pietrangelo's caliber is something we've been missing in forever?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Brendan Budy isn't in blackbook either, odd omission.

 

[schnapshot]

I'd rather have this kind of production and also have his two way game and defensive game. You mentioned both Bogosian and CDH but neither of those guys put up even 30 points season (once for bogosian and it was 30 flush). Neither were comparable to Dobson in juniors.

Here's a guy that you might consider not offensive enough for you, but he's exactly the type of player that we lack forever outside of a #1C:
Alex Pietrangelo hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

And I get you want to see some flash of offense in your dmen but I just don't see it in Hughes. As far I am concerned, his shot is to be work on a lot and just like your opinion and doubt on Dobson's offense to translate into the NHL, I just don't see Hughes being able to translate his game in the NHL.

In the best case scenario, Hughes reaches the potential of a Shayne Gostibehere. But no way he has a shot like Ghost. And even then, Ghost's defensive game is not top of the league. I'd prefer a big 2 way player that put up less points and is reliable both ways. We always here the same worrying issues when it comes to 2-way defender. All in all, I rather build around a defenceman like Dobson than Hughes, but I think they're both incredible prospects.

They had the same production as Dobson in Juniors, that was my point.

I agree that Dobson has a lot of potential but he’s far from a lock to become a Pietrangelo (at least offensively). Like I said, there have been slight concerns about his offensive game translating.

Hughes on the other hand is actually better than Gostisbehere was in his draft year. I believe his potential is higher, he’s a better skater too. His shot doesn’t concern me, it can be improved upon and his ability to carry the puck into the O-zone is almost second to none (Dahlin’s better). He has insane vision too.

In the end, I believe Dobson’s floor is higher but Hughes’ ceiling is much higher. Since we have many RD prospects and almost nobody at LD apart from Mete, we should find someone to play with Weber, who still has 3-4 years of good hockey ahead of him IMO.

 

[ginomini]

Do you guys think Miro Heiskanen would be ahead of Hughes, Dobson, Boqvist, Bouchard ?

 

[G0bias]

Is Boqvist dropping on people's lists because of the concussion and/or his comments?

I've grown very fond of Dobson as a high pick but I'm still comfortable with Boqvist ahead.