Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part V

[charliemurphy]

Whats the rush with some folks in getting this kid over now to play a few games?
Contract wise alone it makes sense to wait until the summer for him to come over. Are folks that impatient or is it just wanting to see what he can do? If its the later then it still makes sense to be patient with getting him over here.

 

[Kovalev27]

I rather he not come. Rest up get a good summer of training in come over with the other prospects.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[Matz03]

Good news, otherwise it sounded like NYR really wanted to burn that year off his ELC. This kind of short-sided thinking has made me concerned with this management sometimes.

 

[Leetch3]

protects us from ourselves. hopefully he makes the NT and finishes off the year at the worlds

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Good news, otherwise it sounded like NYR really wanted to burn that year off his ELC. This kind of short-sided thinking has made me concerned with this management sometimes.

It’s really not that big of a deal, and it also could be beneficial long term to burn a year

 

[broadwayblue]

Good news, otherwise it sounded like NYR really wanted to burn that year off his ELC. This kind of short-sided thinking has made me concerned with this management sometimes.

Agreed. Happy our management won't be able to mess this up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Burning the year isn't that big of a deal.

Sign this summer, work out here this summer, be ready to win a spot in September.

 

[nyr2k2]

It’s really not that big of a deal, and it also could be beneficial long term to burn a year

Yeah, I think most people and a lot of organizations have moved past the "can't burn a year of the ELC!" phobia and actually recognize the potential benefits. The expansion protection is an issue, for sure, but otherwise the ELC clock starting doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yeah, I think most people and a lot of organizations have moved past the "can't burn a year of the ELC!" phobia and actually recognize the potential benefits. The expansion protection is an issue, for sure, but otherwise the ELC clock starting doesn't make much of a difference.

I will say it’s probably more important if the team is contending and spending to the cap, but even then, if the player ends up being really good, they’d make moves to make sure he fits

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Give him just that tiny bit more time to grow... International tournaments are great for learning.

 

[Matz03]

What exactly are the benefits of a 19 or 20 yo in having them burn an ECL year? I can see it in the case of older players, and the benefit for them, but a recent draft pick? From a cap and asset management standpoint I would rather have my cheap elc deals in place as long as possible.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What exactly are the benefits of a 19 or 20 yo in having them burn an ECL year? I can see it in the case of older players, and the benefit for them, but a recent draft pick? From a cap and asset management standpoint I would rather have my cheap elc deals in place as long as possible.

If he hits RFA a year sooner, the 2nd contract will be cheaper because he hasn't had that 3rd full year yet where if he breaks out, the next deal would be much more expensive

 

[Matz03]

If he hits RFA a year sooner, the 2nd contract will be cheaper because he hasn't had that 3rd full year yet where if he breaks out, the next deal would be much more expensive

That's an interesting take but would take my chance with that, its a hypothetical scenario vs. a reality of also having to resign Chytil, Andersson, Hajek, Howden, and possibly Pionk, DeAngelo who likely will be coming off bride deals. Plus a few other rfa's who might be pushing or on the team then like Lindgren, Gettinger. On top of the real likely hood of ufa shopping those offseasons. I'd want the cap flexibility and spread out my key RFA's. I can't imagine this front office resigning a Kravtsov to a long term deal when he hasn't yet broken out yet so all might be a mute point.

 

[Off Sides]

The burning of an entry level year can work both ways,

Say it turns out the player stagnates some, his entry level ends, the team decides to bridge him instead of going long term, then he breaks out on that bridge.

Didn't the team lose an opportunity to sign him cheaper long term right off his entry level, which they would have done had the player been on a longer entry level instead?

 

[nyr2k2]

The burning of an entry level year can work both ways,

Say it turns out the player stagnates some, his entry level ends, the team decides to bridge him instead of going long term, then he breaks out on that bridge.

Didn't the team lose an opportunity to sign him cheaper long term right off his entry level, which they would have done had the player been on a longer entry level instead?

Yeah. There are many ways it can play out.

When I said what I said about teams not being afraid to do it anymore, It just had more to do with the understanding that there is some potential upside depending on how a guy develops, and just believing that if a guy is ready to contribute, you go ahead and let him do that for the benefit of his development. It seems like for years there the concept of starting the clock "early" was totally verboten. MLB still grapples with it, big time.

 

[Off Sides]

Yeah. There are many ways it can play out.

When I said what I said about teams not being afraid to do it anymore, It just had more to do with the understanding that there is some potential upside depending on how a guy develops, and just believing that if a guy is ready to contribute, you go ahead and let him do that for the benefit of his development. It seems like for years there the concept of starting the clock "early" was totally verboten. MLB still grapples with it, big time.

Definitely different circumstances for different players, mostly I was just trying to point out there are different scenarios where it can be either good or bad.

Much of my leaning towards longer entry levels comes from me just not really wanting to see the Rangers rush the progress/process.

I honestly, even before the season started, thought they should have kept all of Chytil, Howden, Lias, down until post the trade deadline other than for injury call-up.

Can't say if that would have been better or worse for their development, just I'm not sure why there was really a rush to get them into the NHL besides the optics if they went into the season without any of their top prospects in the NHL it may have looked bad in what is a rebuilding year. Well that and maybe they really believed Quinn would be better for them

If there were development reasons for it, which there may have been, I'm not saying those were wrong, I just am not so sure I can feel that those reasons could not have been recognized past the deadline.

To me it would sort of be a multi part thing, maybe the AHL team does better, and if not no excuses the talent was not there. Chytil, Lias end up as not being able to reach UFA status still at age 27 instead of 26, and I do think that will become somewhat important as the contracts to them progress. On top of those aspects, perhaps a little more patience ends up being applied to them without the NHL spotlight on them, which is more of a fan or media perception likely, yet still.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[The Crypto Guy]

But if he signs in May(or whenever his is eligible to sign with us) when his contract is up...they don't have his rights either? So how would they hold his rights into September? I'm confused haha.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

But if he signs in May(or whenever his is eligible to sign with us) when his contract is up...they don't have his rights either? So how would they hold his rights into September? I'm confused haha.

Let me explain by giving an NHL comparable:

Nicklas Jensen. Was under contract with the Rangers and did not sign his qualifying offer. But by receiving a qualifying offer, as an RFA, the Rangers retained his rights as Jensen moved to the KHL to play for Jokerit. If Jensen ever comes back, the Rangers own his NHL rights.

Similar situation here with Kravtsov. If they release him, he's KHL free agent. If they give him a QO, they retain his rights even if Kravtsov doesn't sign the QO. When they released Kuznetsov in 2014, it was a completely different situation. The NHL was in year 2 of a 10-year CBA, and Kuznetsov was almost 22. By the time the CBA expires, Kuznetsov would have reached UFA status (Since it works different in the KHL).

 

[darko]

Let me explain by giving an NHL comparable:

Nicklas Jensen. Was under contract with the Rangers and did not sign his qualifying offer. But by receiving a qualifying offer, as an RFA, the Rangers retained his rights as Jensen moved to the KHL to play for Jokerit. If Jensen ever comes back, the Rangers own his NHL rights.

Similar situation here with Kravtsov. If they release him, he's KHL free agent. If they give him a QO, they retain his rights even if Kravtsov doesn't sign the QO. When they released Kuznetsov in 2014, it was a completely different situation. The NHL was in year 2 of a 10-year CBA, and Kuznetsov was almost 22. By the time the CBA expires, Kuznetsov would have reached UFA status (Since it works different in the KHL).

Hopefully this puts few people at ease.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hopefully this puts few people at ease.

Doubt it Russians bad! 'Muricans good!

I saw someone say today "Traktor is just doing this to spite the Rangers for taking away their best prospect" and "The NHL should just sue the KHL for this" hahahaha

 

[darko]

Burning the year isn't that big of a deal.

Sign this summer, work out here this summer, be ready to win a spot in September.

On the flip side, sign in May/June, train in summer, be ready to win a spot in September. Don't burn a year and still expansion draft exempt.

 

[darko]

Doubt it Russians bad! 'Muricans good!

I saw someone say today "Traktor is just doing this to spite the Rangers for taking away their best prospect" and "The NHL should just sue the KHL for this" hahahaha

Oh boy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Oh boy.

Endless debates, man. Here's the thing though: From a neutral point of view (IIHF) the NHL is not more important than the KHL. I had to remind people today that the Rangers only own Kravtsov's NHL rights, nothing more. That's it. They own the exclusive NHL rights to sign Kravtsov.