Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part V

[darko]

Endless debates, man. Here's the thing though: From a neutral point of view (IIHF) the NHL is not more important than the KHL. I had to remind people today that the Rangers only own Kravtsov's NHL rights, nothing more. That's it. They own the exclusive NHL rights to sign Kravtsov.

Shhh can't say that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Shhh can't say that.

Fan: "Why can't we just sign him the same way we did with Chytil and Lias?"
Me: "Because there is no transfer agreement with the KHL"
Fan: "Why doesn't Kravtsov just quit?"
Me: "That's not how it works"
Fan: "How do you know?"

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Let me explain by giving an NHL comparable:

Nicklas Jensen. Was under contract with the Rangers and did not sign his qualifying offer. But by receiving a qualifying offer, as an RFA, the Rangers retained his rights as Jensen moved to the KHL to play for Jokerit. If Jensen ever comes back, the Rangers own his NHL rights.

Similar situation here with Kravtsov. If they release him, he's KHL free agent. If they give him a QO, they retain his rights even if Kravtsov doesn't sign the QO. When they released Kuznetsov in 2014, it was a completely different situation. The NHL was in year 2 of a 10-year CBA, and Kuznetsov was almost 22. By the time the CBA expires, Kuznetsov would have reached UFA status (Since it works different in the KHL).

Ah thank you, makes a ton of sense now. I don't blame them for not releasing him now either.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ah thank you, makes a ton of sense now. I don't blame them for not releasing him now either.

Happy to help.

 

[Alluckks]

Doubt it Russians bad! 'Muricans good!

I saw someone say today "Traktor is just doing this to spite the Rangers for taking away their best prospect" and "The NHL should just sue the KHL for this" hahahaha

Let's settle down with the painting in broad strokes.

 

[TUQ]

Good news, otherwise it sounded like NYR really wanted to burn that year off his ELC. This kind of short-sided thinking has made me concerned with this management sometimes.

Burning a first year of ELC may not be a bad thing with high-talented players. They tend to get to bigger point totals right from the beggining of their carrers, thus making their next contracts more expensive.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Let's settle down with the painting in broad strokes.

It's not my fault people are clueless and stuck in the 1960s

 

[True Blue]

Doubt it Russians bad! 'Muricans good!

They are also all soft. Very soft.

 

[TUQ]

For what are worth my 2 cents, I would like to give my opinion on Kravtsov after watching him a bit in KHL and a lot at WJC.

I am not convinced. I see plenty of skill, I see good positioning, nice shot, good stickhlandling. I see that slickness in control of the puck that comes with Russians, I see a lot of responsibility without the puck, I see a play for the team.

What I do not see is that high level of ofensive drive that came with Kuznetsov, Tarasenko etc. For me Kravtsov is much more a Buchnevich than, say, a Kuznetsov. He seems a tiny bit slow too. I know, he is young, playing in mens' league and on WJC he played out of position and maybe hurt (though that wasn't exactly confirmed). I would love to be wrong, but I just can't see the point per game player in the NHL everyone in here seems to project him.

That said, I am keeping all my fingers and then some more for him to prove me wrong and make me eat my crow

/MHO

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

Doubt it Russians bad! 'Muricans good!

I saw someone say today "Traktor is just doing this to spite the Rangers for taking away their best prospect" and "The NHL should just sue the KHL for this" hahahaha

I was wondering what a Murcian was until the light bulb pinged, ha.

Well, I suppose this is maybe for the best; although, takes away perhaps some real possible excitement in the last ten games of what has been a rough year.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's not my fault people are clueless and stuck in the 1960s

There are ignorant, clueless people in every country in the world. If you encounter ignorant "Muricans" here it's because this is a board catering primarily to North American fans.

If there's confusion about the KHL and people saying stupid things, it's partly due to a lack of information. People don't understand the KHL, how it works, why it works that way, etc. I don't know half of the rules and policies and I'm an avid fan of the game. The point you made about rights retention earlier--I had NEVER heard that anywhere. It makes total sense. Bit given most posters here will not see your post they will remain totally in the dark about that. And it's not for lack of trying! Understanding these intricacies is incredibly difficult for an English speaker since there's just not much available on the internet to make things clear.

And yes, there's also an element of geopolitical conflict involved here. But that's not unique to Americans, it happens everywhere. But you shouldn't paint in such broad strokes, it would be no different than Americans drawing conclusions about all Europeans based off stupid shit that happens at football matches. It's not really fair.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

There are ignorant, clueless people in every country in the world. If you encounter ignorant "Muricans" here it's because this is a board catering primarily to North American fans.

If there's confusion about the KHL and people saying stupid things, it's partly due to a lack of information. People don't understand the KHL, how it works, why it works that way, etc. I don't know half of the rules and policies and I'm an avid fan of the game. The point you made about rights retention earlier--I had NEVER heard that anywhere. It makes total sense. Bit given most posters here will not see your post they will remain totally in the dark about that. And it's not for lack of trying! Understanding these intricacies is incredibly difficult for an English speaker since there's just not much available on the internet to make things clear.

And yes, there's also an element of geopolitical conflict involved here. But that's not unique to Americans, it happens everywhere. But you shouldn't paint in such broad strokes, it would be no different than Americans drawing conclusions about all Europeans based off stupid **** that happens at football matches. It's not really fair.

I never said it was only Americans who think this way. But in this case it was, because of the subject. Trust me, I have met countless ignorant Europeans as well, when debating different things.

My biggest gripe in this instance is probably the way of thinking some people show. They feel the KHL should just release players because the Rangers drafted Kravtsov. It's not that simple though. And when I try to explain it, it is regularly met "Oh, you just say that because you're not American" or something similar.

Luckily I have a much easier time here discussing the ins and outs of this particular story. There's a more rational approach on here

 

[haveandare]

Sorry if this should be clear and I'm missing it, but there's been a lot of talk since the last update. Where does his situation stand? Seemed like a week or so back they were going to sign him imminently and either get under 10 games or a PTO. Is that not happening or a lot less likely to happen now?

 

[GAGLine]

Sorry if this should be clear and I'm missing it, but there's been a lot of talk since the last update. Where does his situation stand? Seemed like a week or so back they were going to sign him imminently and either get under 10 games or a PTO. Is that not happening or a lot less likely to happen now?

Traktor isn't going to release him from his contract because if they do, they will lose his rights in the KHL. With the potential of a lockout in the NHL in the near future, Kravtsov could end up back in the KHL for a time, so Traktor wants to make sure he plays for them if he does. Kravtsov will be free to sign with the Rangers after April 30th, but both our season and Hartford's season will be over by then.

 

[haveandare]

Traktor isn't going to release him from his contract because if they do, they will lose his rights in the KHL. With the potential of a lockout in the NHL in the near future, Kravtsov could end up back in the KHL for a time, so Traktor wants to make sure he plays for them if he does. Kravtsov will be free to sign with the Rangers after April 30th, but both our season and Hartford's season will be over by then.

Ah, I see. Thanks. So, if they don't release him, he can sign with us after April 30, play in NYR or Hartford next year, and then if there's a lockout the following season he can still play for Traktor?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ah, I see. Thanks. So, if they don't release him, he can sign with us after April 30, play in NYR or Hartford next year, and then if there's a lockout the following season he can still play for Traktor?

I actually wrote it all down and explained it in these 2 articles:

https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-roundup-kravtsovs-khl-team-releases-statement/

At this moment, Traktor does not want to release Kravtsov from his contract, because it would mean they lose his KHL rights.

With a possible lockout only 3 years away, they would give up a valuable asset. They could opt to sign him to a KHL deal or trade his rights to one of the bigger clubs in exchange for money or draft picks/prospects.

Gubarev also expanded on a potential KHL-clause in Kravtsov’s entry level contract. “If Vitali does not secure a spot on the Rangers team, he can return to Traktor” which was agreed upon by Kravtsov’s agent Paul Theophanos. This situation would be similar to Kristian Vesalainen this season, who chose to move to the KHL after not securing a spot in the Winnipeg Jets line-up early on.

Traktor will give Kravtsov a qualifying offer to retain his KHL rights. This situation is comparable to the Rangers and Nicklas Jensen. The Danish winger was a restricted free agent in the NHL and opted to leave for the KHL where he now plays for Jokerit. By giving Jensen a qualifying offer, the Rangers retain his NHL rights in case he decides to return to the NHL in the future.

https://foreverblueshirts.com/vitali-kravtsov-a-complex-situation-for-the-rangers/

Signing Kravtsov

But what does it mean? What is the situation with Kravtsov? Let’s take a look at the CBA and what the consequences are for a contract this season. There are 3 categories which are important here.

• ELC Slide: Because Kravtsov turns 20 in the year he would sign his contract, an entry level slide does not apply (CBA article 9.1.d.i) and they would burn a year if he’s on the team for 1 game
• Expansion draft exemption: For the expansion draft exemption, the NHL looks at waiver eligibility rules to determine what counts as a pro year (CBA article 13.4), which means it only counts towards that if he plays 11 games
• Accrued seasons towards UFA status: Kravtsov not being slide eligible means the season counts as an accrued season. A player who hits 7 accrued seasons or is 27 years old on July 1st,whichever comes first, reaches their UFA eligible years (CBA article 10.1)

Scenarios

Scenario A: Kravtsov signs his entry level contract and plays 10 of fewer games (NHL or AHL) this season
ELC duration: 2019-2021
Expansion draft exempt: Yes
7 Accrued seasons in: 2026 at age 26
Scenario B: Kravtsov signs his entry level contract and plays 11 or more games (NHL or AHL) this season
ELC duration: 2019-2021
Expansion draft exempt: No
7 Accrued seasons in: 2026 at age 26

Scenario C: Kravtsov signs his entry level contract, but it only kicks in July 1st
ELC duration: 2019-2022
Expansion draft exempt: Yes
7 Accrued seasons in: 2027 at age 27

Now that we know he won't be released from his KHL contract, only scenario C is applicable.

 

[haveandare]

I actually wrote it all down and explained it in these 2 articles:

https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-roundup-kravtsovs-khl-team-releases-statement/


https://foreverblueshirts.com/vitali-kravtsov-a-complex-situation-for-the-rangers/




Now that we know he won't be released from his KHL contract, only scenario C is applicable.

Great, thanks for sharing and keeping all of this stuff straight. Would have been nice to see him this year, but can't complain about an extra ELC year and expansion exemption.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Great, thanks for sharing and keeping all of this stuff straight. Would have been nice to see him this year, but can't complain about an extra ELC year and expansion exemption.

Some might think I am annoyed that all the research I did regarding the expansion draft exemption etc is now wasted because he isn't coming over. But I really enjoyed digging into the CBA regarding this

 

[Alluckks]

It's not my fault people are clueless and stuck in the 1960s

I'd rather not assume and categorize a majority of Rangers fans here as dumb and xenophobic

 

[haveandare]

Some might think I am annoyed that all the research I did regarding the expansion draft exemption etc is now wasted because he isn't coming over. But I really enjoyed digging into the CBA regarding this

No such thing as wasted time if you enjoyed it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd rather not assume and categorize a majority of Rangers fans here as dumb and xenophobic

I didn't. I was specifically talking about the individuals I mentioned earlier. Those individuals who are actually generalizing.

 

[Alluckks]

I didn't. I was specifically talking about the individuals I mentioned earlier. Those individuals who are actually generalizing.

I must have them on ignore then

 

[JimmyG89]

Endless debates, man. Here's the thing though: From a neutral point of view (IIHF) the NHL is not more important than the KHL. I had to remind people today that the Rangers only own Kravtsov's NHL rights, nothing more. That's it. They own the exclusive NHL rights to sign Kravtsov.

If you really want to freak people out, have them go take a look at the KHL draft. Some interesting names appear on those lists.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I must have them on ignore then

That debate was not on HFNYR

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If you really want to freak people out, have them go take a look at the KHL draft. Some interesting names appear on those lists.

Medvešščak drafted Connor McDavid in 2014