GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[Lindgren]

Tanev Edler Biega Ericsson and Gagner are soft culture carriers (not soft in a bad way) who aren’t that vocal.

Gudbranson, MDZ, and Sutter are the only vocal “hard” culture carriers. I don’t think that’s enoUgh.

Fact is we will need guys who are defensively responsible with some toughness and also can be culture carriers to balance all the rookies coming up. They aren’t supposed to score. The kids we drafted are supposed to score, that’s the point.

The incoming prospects that the Canucks drafted aren't going to be able to score while playing with Sutter or, if he's signed, Beagle, no matter how much hard mentorship is provided.

If the five "soft culture carriers" aren't doing what's needed, then trade one of them for a "hard culture carrier." Then, instead of signing another free agent "hard culture carrier," try to sign one who plays centre and can make a pass to a winger.

 

[Lindgren]

So you think going with gaunce and gaudette is a better option? Really?

Why not target a second line Center you say? Yeah sure why not target a first line Center and an elite d man while they are at it too. Could it be that it is unlikely that they can get such a player as a ufa? Who do you have in mind?

Honestly I think the obsession in here over a bottom 6 forward is a little ridiculous on June 29th. Nobody has been signed yet and you or I don’t know what they are planning for the next year.

I’ve told you that I agree to disagree with you yet you want to continue to argue over hypotheticals and predictions. I’m out at this point until I see something concrete on July 1st

I'm no more guilty of continuing the argument than you are. But I'm happy to stop and wait to see what happens. In the meantime, if you're sincerely interested in the answer to your question about who to target, here's an article suggesting some possibilities, all of which I'd prefer to Beagle:

Analyzing Four Centres the Canucks Could Target

 

[DonnyNucker]

I'm no more guilty of continuing the argument than you are. But I'm happy to stop and wait to see what happens. In the meantime, if you're sincerely interested in the answer to your question about who to target, here's an article suggesting some possibilities, all of which I'd prefer to Beagle:

Analyzing Four Centres the Canucks Could Target

I saw that article. You are ok with trading futures for these guys? Hard no to trading picks

 

[DadBod]

I’d like Beagle provided he’s used appropriately. On the PK, and as our 3C/4C, and no longer than 3 years max.

As with any FA I don’t care much about the aav, to me it’s all about term.

Right now my wish list includes

Maroon, Grabner, Reider and Roussel.

 

[Jimbo57]

I'm no more guilty of continuing the argument than you are. But I'm happy to stop and wait to see what happens. In the meantime, if you're sincerely interested in the answer to your question about who to target, here's an article suggesting some possibilities, all of which I'd prefer to Beagle:

Analyzing Four Centres the Canucks Could Target

Thanks for the article. I will read it. But I thought we were talking ufas ?

 

[Lindgren]

Thanks for the article. I will read it. But I thought we were talking ufas ?

We were, and there's only one on that list. There are a couple more ufa centres on this one:

5 young players the Canucks could sign to bargain free agent contracts

 

[Lindgren]

I saw that article. You are ok with trading futures for these guys? Hard no to trading picks

I'm particularly interested in the free agent on the list, and the two on the subsequent one I posted.

 

[Jimbo57]

We were, and there's only one on that list. There are a couple more ufa centres on this one:

5 young players the Canucks could sign to bargain free agent contracts

Alright .. I’ll have a look. Sincere thanks..

 

[kanuck87]

Sutter and Beagle would be solid 3/4 centers once Gaudette or Pettersson develop into our 2C.

 

[clay]

So if we sign Beagle to a 3 year deal, does that signal Benning throwing in the towel for Pettersson projecting as a C? We all know this franchise isn't going to ship or bench Sutter/Beagle. Gaudette and Horvat fill the other 2 spots.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

So? People with his background that have worked as hockey commentators for decades are bound to make wrong predictions. I’d take his opinion a little more seriously than anonymous posters in a fringe message board. But that’s just me.. it’s not like he’s lying. The caps love the guy. He’s an elite face off man and great penalty killer. I guess if the potato or y2k say something it will carry more value ... lol.. this place cracks me up..

He's a decent third line center. Callin' him as McGuire did is over-the-top hype train nonsense.

You can appeal to authority without question all you like. I'll look at his consistent hyperbole for the sake of glorifying his topics and call a spade a spade.

Let's not forget, he heavily criticized the Montreal Canadiens for drafting Carey Price, wanted Gilbert Brule. He also suggested that any coach that uses an analytical approach to review their players should be immediately fired...

This place cracks ME up.

 

[Jimbo57]

He's a decent third line center. Callin' him as McGuire did is over-the-top hype train nonsense.

You can appeal to authority without question all you like. I'll look at his consistent hyperbole for the sake of glorifying his topics and call a spade a spade.

Let's not forget, he heavily criticized the Montreal Canadiens for drafting Carey Price, wanted Gilbert Brule. He also suggested that any coach that uses an analytical approach to review their players should be immediately fired...

This place cracks ME up.

I’m not too distracted by the fact that he has to be a little dramatic or over the top due to the line of work he is in. He basically states that beagle is a great guy in the dressing room, a great penalty killer, a beast in the circle and that the caps will miss him. Nothing false there.

I generally respect the guy. I recall him raving about gaudette and boeser before their final NCAA seasons. He stated gaudette was the real deal before most media guys had caught on

I still think his words hold more value than anonymous joes in a hockey forum. Like geeze who should I believe? Pierre or Catbug?? A guy who gets paid for his opinions or a guy that posts with a cartoon cat? That’s a hard one. This place is great. I expect hello kitty to come out soon..

 

[CanaFan]

OK let’s put it this way the team lost over 2500 games of NHL experience from it’s roster you think that’s not significant ?

It’s a big number to be sure but why do we need to replace it? Is Jay Beagle’s 471 games of NHL experience going to replace the Sedins 2500 games? Do we even have to? Seems to me experience is something you want players to get for themselves. It’s not something you can “buy” for them. If it was every team would be lining up to sign Jagr and his nearly 1800 games.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

It’s a big number to be sure but why do we need to replace it? Is Jay Beagle’s 471 games of NHL experience going to replace the Sedins 2500 games? Do we even have to? Seems to me experience is something you want players to get for themselves. It’s not something you can “buy” for them. If it was every team would be lining up to sign Jagr and his nearly 1800 games.

Sure man let you do what someone else suggested and sign a bunch of undrafted overage 21-year-old junior players stick them on your roster and get rid of anyone over 30 and see what happens. I think there’s a good reason why it doesn’t happen very often.

The game is mostly mental and you only get confidence after you know for a fact that you could do something and the guy like Jay Beagle has done that something almost 500 times at something is playing NHL game I Mean most young players don’t come into the league full of unbreakable confidence they need to find their confidence over a stretch of games and it helps to have other guys beside you who are truly confident due to experience like the Sedins Sutters and Beagles that you can emulate by osmosis to get acclimated

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I was really pulling for him like everyone else last year when he got the contract and the call up and I thought he was really good thc first 8-10 games or so but then he seemed to flatten out, at least to me. He just seemed to be filling a sweater and going through the motions after that. I guess I just thought he failed his big audition. If there was an injury I don't know about that slowed him down, then perhaps I'm wrong.

This is how I saw it in the limited amount I was watching by that point. Happy to let him have another rip.

 

[CanaFan]

Sure man let you do what someone else suggested and sign a bunch of undrafted overage 21-year-old junior players stick them on your roster and get rid of anyone over 30 and see what happens. I think there’s a good reason why it doesn’t happen very often.

The game is mostly mental and you only get confidence after you know for a fact that you could do something and the guy like Jay Beagle has done that something almost 500 times at something is playing NHL game I Mean most young players don’t come into the league full of unbreakable confidence they need to find their confidence over a stretch of games and it helps to have other guys beside you who are truly confident due to experience like the Sedins Sutters and Beagles that you can emulate by osmosis to get acclimated

How about we do neither? No one is seriously suggesting adding a bunch of undrafted kids so that’s a weird tangent. But we have a team that doesn’t lack in veterans in the slightest and just because a pair of 37 year olds have retired doesn’t mean we have to immediately bring in a 33 year old 4th liner to bring that age back up. You need some for sure, but Benning seems to think the right mix is 70% insulation, 20% reclamation projects, and 10% actual talent. The degrees are off, which is why this team has a streak of 3 straight bottom 6 finishes going.

 

[VanJack]

Sportsnet is linking Antoine Roussel with the Canucks.....a potential replacement for Dorsett?.....he'd bring an edginess to the third-fourth lines, that's for sure....seem to remember that back in the day he attended the Canucks prospect tournament as an undrafted UFA, but didn't earn a contract and still only 28.

 

[WTG]

I don't understand how we will fit Roussel/Beagle in this lineup. I thought this year was supposed to be an transition year, and we are giving bottom 6 players 3+ years term?

By signing these bottom 6 players all you are doing is pushing young guys out of the lineup. Hows that going to help us long term? We are a team that needs to develop NHL players, by keeping our young guys out of the lineup, you aren't developing any of them. Also, what if Lind surprises in training camp? What if Gadjovich? Imagine how much money you'll have to put in the press box, imagine how embarrassing that would look onto the GM. Of course, what they'll do is they'll just sit the kids and hurt their development just to play 30+ year old bottom 6 players on long term contracts. Signing Beagle and Roussel to long term contracts is just counter productive to the goal of actually developing players.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Sportsnet is linking Antoine Roussel with the Canucks.....a potential replacement for Dorsett?.....he'd bring an edginess to the third-fourth lines, that's for sure....seem to remember that back in the day he attended the Canucks prospect tournament as an undrafted UFA, but didn't earn a contract and still only 28.

Good fit on a 1 year deal, not the 4 years at an AAV above $3M per year. That would be such an awful contract.

 

[iceburg]

I don't understand how we will fit Roussel/Beagle in this lineup. I thought this year was supposed to be an transition year, and we are giving bottom 6 players 3+ years term?

By signing these bottom 6 players all you are doing is pushing young guys out of the lineup. Hows that going to help us long term? We are a team that needs to develop NHL players, by keeping our young guys out of the lineup, you aren't developing any of them. Also, what if Lind surprises in training camp? What if Gadjovich? Imagine how much money you'll have to put in the press box, imagine how embarrassing that would look onto the GM. Of course, what they'll do is they'll just sit the kids and hurt their development just to play 30+ year old bottom 6 players on long term contracts. Signing Beagle and Roussel to long term contracts is just counter productive to the goal of actually developing players.

This year Roussel/Beagle are only going to impact guys who either aren't ready or will never be ready. Lind and Gadjovich should come nowhere near the opening day line-up. Both need to prove themselves and develop in the AHL. If, and it's a huge if, they surprise at camp they can deal with it at the time. Both can move freely between the NHL and AHL. The guys that are more in danger are Leipsic and Gaunce. Both of these guys are 24 and won't be given a lot of rope if they are outplayed in camp. This is the year they need to prove that they're more than waiver wire players.
The key is not to sign them to more than 2 year contracts and preferably trade Sutter. If they want 3 years I wouldn't sign them. If they can't/won't trade Sutter, I would question signing Beagle at all.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Good fit on a 1 year deal, not the 4 years at an AAV above $3M per year. That would be such an awful contract.

If they do sign Beagle & Roussel to 3-4 year deals it would seem its the same-old same-old with this managmenet still.

 

[WTG]

This year Roussel/Beagle are only going to impact guys who either aren't ready or will never be ready. Lind and Gadjovich should come nowhere near the opening day line-up. Both need to prove themselves and develop in the AHL. If, and it's a huge if, they surprise at camp they can deal with it at the time. Both can move freely between the NHL and AHL. The guys that are more in danger are Leipsic and Gaunce. Both of these guys are 24 and won't be given a lot of rope if they are outplayed in camp. This is the year they need to prove that they're more than waiver wire players.
The key is not to sign them to more than 2 year contracts and preferably trade Sutter. If they want 3 years I wouldn't sign them. If they can't/won't trade Sutter, I would question signing Beagle at all.

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Eriksson-Sutter-Gagner
Rousel-Beagle-Granlund
Gaunce
Liepsic

Leaves 3 open roster spots for: Gaudette/Dahlen/Pettersson/Virtanen/Goldobin. Pettersson makes the team, save to assume he'll be in the lineup, Virtanen was the 4th player in GP last year he'll be in the lineup. Goldobin requires waivers, so he'll either be in the lineup or in the press box. What about Gaudette and Dahlen? Signing one of Rousel/Beagle is maybe passable but both? Yikes.

Besides, why are we signing bad contracts in the first place. We should be taking other peoples bad contracts instead... This is just a dumb idea start to finish, and will back fire. Just like last year, where I held your position, that I thought there was no way that they'd bench the younger players. And guess what they did, they just sat the young players in the press box while the overpaid vets played. Same thing will happen this year, guaranteed.

 

[Slapshot_11]

Are we really gonna use Sedin money on plugs..

Why tf would you just not take on other teams bad contracts for picks if you're just gonna do it to ufas

 

[Bougieman]

Actually really excited about the prospect of Jay Beagle on the team, to be honest. Watched him pretty closely for the last year in Washington, and it's not a coincidence that he's played for a lot of championship teams. He's not a guy you rely on for goals, but he plays the game the right way, has massive passion, and is a proven winner. The Canucks have to be salivating at the idea of having a few more of those types of guys around to show the kids what it takes to win, because it's not something the Sam Gagners and the Loui Erikssons know much about.

No interest whatsoever in signing Rousel, and signing them both makes no sense either because then you're relying on a pile of injuries in order to get the kids in the lineup.

 

[canuckslover10]

I dont mind beagle or rieder but for the love of god if we sign roussel to the rumored contract that will suck alot