GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[M2Beezy]

Im on with signing Rousell and Beegle as long as we get rid of Eriksson Sutter and Gagner. Or at least two of em

 

[Jimbo57]

McGuire also said the Gudbranson was a home run for the Canucks.

So? People with his background that have worked as hockey commentators for decades are bound to make wrong predictions. I’d take his opinion a little more seriously than anonymous posters in a fringe message board. But that’s just me.. it’s not like he’s lying. The caps love the guy. He’s an elite face off man and great penalty killer. I guess if the potato or y2k say something it will carry more value ... lol.. this place cracks me up..

 

[canucksfan]

Im on with signing Rousell and Beegle as long as we get rid of Eriksson Sutter and Gagner. Or at least two of em

No one will take Gagner or Eriksson. Sutter might be possible if the Nucks eat a lot of salary.

 

[RobertKron]

Maybe they think they’re signing an actual beagle.

 

[Jimbo57]

I'm not panicking. I'm saying it's a bad idea. If they trade Sutter for any return at all -- a fifth round draft pick, say -- then it's a good idea. If they then also trade Beagle at the deadline, also for any kind of pick, then it's an even better idea. If they don't trade Sutter and don't trade Beagle, then it's a very bad idea.

I'm predicting, which is different from assuming, that if they sign Beagle they won't succeed in trading either player this season, and they'll score even fewer goals than they did last year, and development of prospects, particularly Pettersson, will be delayed: he won't get to play centre and he won't play wing with a centre who can think the game offensively. That's my prediction.

If you're predicting that a Beagle signing will lead to a trade, and, if not, that they'll somehow find a way to make things work with two defensive specialists down the middle, well, we simply disagree. I think that my prediction is much more plausible, given Benning's record and given what these players are like on the ice. But it doesn't make me angry that we disagree; we'll simply have to wait and see.

We can agree to disagree. I think Pettersson is 2 years away from playing c. Gaudette hasn’t proved anything. I have no problem with carrying 2 defensive Centers for a year. it’s not like they are going to make the playoffs. Also I’m puzzled by the proclamations that Benning wouldn’t trade Sutter. He’s cycled numerous players throug here, he’s traded prospects and picks. If anything he’s shown that he’s not afraid to move players.

 

[Verviticus]

So? People with his background that have worked as hockey commentators for decades are bound to make wrong predictions. I’d take his opinion a little more seriously than anonymous posters in a fringe message board.

thats why nobody takes you seriously

 

[MS]

Beagle is a solid role player if he's on the right contract. Or at least was one, in the past. He's 33 and will almost certainly be a case of badly diminishing returns.

Kyle Brodziak is basically the exact same player but didn't play a small role for a team that won the Cup, so he'll sign for $900k somewhere a month from now.

 

[DonnyNucker]

No one will take Gagner or Eriksson. Sutter might be possible if the Nucks eat a lot of salary.

Multiple teams have been calling about sutter and you think he is a cap dump? Lol

 

[Jimbo57]

thats why nobody takes you seriously

Now I’m going to lose sleep.

 

[RobertKron]

Beagle is a solid role player if he's on the right contract. Or at least was one, in the past. He's 33 and will almost certainly be a case of badly diminishing returns.

Kyle Brodziak is basically the exact same player but didn't play a small role for a team that won the Cup, so he'll sign for $900k somewhere a month from now.

Sign Brodziak, too.

 

[clunk]

Alright. I just woke up from a quick nap. The Roussell and Beagle signings were just bad dreams, right?

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Culture carriers: Tanev, Edler, Gudbranson, Del Zotto, Biega, Eriksson, Gagner, Sutter. Also Horvat and Baertschi (both entering their fourth season with the Canucks).

The Canucks have culture carriers. What they need now is to develop young players and manage assets, not to sign more veteran defensive forwards to add to the group that struggled to score last season.

Months ago, the discussion was about signing a centre to play with Pettersson, which made a certain amount of sense, as recent acquisitions Granlund and Gagner seemed to prove themselves incapable of handling that role. Why did the talk shift away from that goal? Who is going to play with Pettersson? How did it become accepted that Gagner could take on that responsibility, when the consensus was that he was not capable of handling duties in the middle?

Tanev Edler Biega Ericsson and Gagner are soft culture carriers (not soft in a bad way) who aren’t that vocal.

Gudbranson, MDZ, and Sutter are the only vocal “hard” culture carriers. I don’t think that’s enoUgh.

Fact is we will need guys who are defensively responsible with some toughness and also can be culture carriers to balance all the rookies coming up. They aren’t supposed to score. The kids we drafted are supposed to score, that’s the point.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Alright. I just woke up from a quick nap. The Roussell and Beagle signings were just bad dreams, right?

Nope they happeend. 5*4 and 6*3.5

 

[canucksfan]

Multiple teams have been calling about sutter and you think he is a cap dump? Lol

Seriously?

 

[Motte and Bailey]

It's literally exactly the same team as last year minus the Sedins and with Pettersson (probably) added.

Losing two 37 year olds will dramatically lower the average age of the team. Especially the average age of the key / offensive players what will the average age of the top 6 forwards be? Probably like 22 or something that’s super young

 

[DonnyNucker]

Seriously?

Yes seriously. He has been in high demand this summer. LA, ANA and SJ have all been calling.

 

[RobertKron]

Losing two 37 year olds will dramatically lower the average age of the team. Especially the average age of the key / offensive players what will the average age of the top 6 forwards be? Probably like 22 or something that’s super young

If they just signed every undrafted overager in the CHL and played them instead, the average age would be super low!

 

[CanaFan]

Losing two 37 year olds will dramatically lower the average age of the team. Especially the average age of the key / offensive players what will the average age of the top 6 forwards be? Probably like 22 or something that’s super young

That’s why average age is a useless measure. It’s the exact same team minus two 37 year olds and adding maybe a single 20 year old. It’s not like the rest of the players on the team magically got younger. It’s still got 29 year old Sutter, 33 year old Eriksson, 26 year old Gudbranson, 29 year old Gagner, 32 year old Edler, etc etc.

We have plenty of veteran players on this team, regardless of average age.

 

[canucksfan]

Yes seriously. He has been in high demand this summer. LA, ANA and SJ have all been calling.

I'm quite surprised teams would be interested in him. I haven't been paying attention to what has been going for the last few weeks.

 

[ShouldveDraftedFiala]

We don't have a 2C, this signing will get Sutter promoted not traded.

As it stands now thats exactly whats going to happen anyways, signing or not. 2C needs to be addressed regardless.

Moving a guy that seems to be high in demand now, before waiting for his value to plummet would be the prudent move to make.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I'm quite surprised teams would be interested in him. I haven't been paying attention to what has been going for the last few weeks.

Ya, I like sutter but I was surprised as well...he is definitely overpaid.

 

[Lindgren]

We can agree to disagree. I think Pettersson is 2 years away from playing c. Gaudette hasn’t proved anything. I have no problem with carrying 2 defensive Centers for a year. it’s not like they are going to make the playoffs. Also I’m puzzled by the proclamations that Benning wouldn’t trade Sutter. He’s cycled numerous players throug here, he’s traded prospects and picks. If anything he’s shown that he’s not afraid to move players.

They're not proclamations; they're predictions. Just as your statements are predictions, not proclamations, or am I misinterpreting?

Why target a second defensive centre? What's the point? Why not target a centre who at least has the potential to mesh with Pettersson?

The defence of the idea of the trade rests on two points:

1) The Canucks will trade the redundant player, Sutter.

2) The Canucks will be terrible if even if they don't acquire Beagle, so acquiring a player who keeps them terrible or makes them worse doesn't matter.

If the first comes true, then it's a good acquisition. I don't think it will. That's not a proclamation, it's a prediction, and I'd like to know the specifics about the evidence you say suggests such a trade is likely.

The second is a terrible reason to sign Beagle. It amounts to "it's not a bad acquisition because it doesn't matter if it's a bad acquisition."

 

[Motte and Bailey]

That’s why average age is a useless measure. It’s the exact same team minus two 37 year olds and adding maybe a single 20 year old. It’s not like the rest of the players on the team magically got younger. It’s still got 29 year old Sutter, 33 year old Eriksson, 26 year old Gudbranson, 29 year old Gagner, 32 year old Edler, etc etc.

We have plenty of veteran players on this team, regardless of average age.

OK let’s put it this way the team lost over 2500 games of NHL experience from it’s roster you think that’s not significant ?

 

[Motte and Bailey]

If they just signed every undrafted overager in the CHL and played them instead, the average age would be super low!

Super low average age is not necessarily the goal

 

[Jimbo57]

They're not proclamations; they're predictions. Just as your statements are predictions, not proclamations, or am I misinterpreting?

Why target a second defensive centre? What's the point? Why not target a centre who at least has the potential to mesh with Pettersson?

The defence of the idea of the trade rests on two points:

1) The Canucks will trade the redundant player, Sutter.

2) The Canucks will be terrible if even if they don't acquire Beagle, so acquiring a player who keeps them terrible or makes them worse doesn't matter.

If the first comes true, then it's a good acquisition. I don't think it will. That's not a proclamation, it's a prediction, and I'd like to know the specifics about the evidence you say suggests such a trade is likely.

The second is a terrible reason to sign Beagle.

So you think going with gaunce and gaudette is a better option? Really? You do realize that there can be a progression towards becoming a playoff team and just because a player doesn’t turn them into a playoff contender doesn’t mean they can’t make a meaningful impact on the team.

Why not target a second line Center you say? Yeah sure why not target a first line Center and an elite d man while they are at it too. Could it be that it is unlikely that they can get such a player as a ufa? Who do you have in mind?

Honestly I think the obsession in here over a bottom 6 forward is a little ridiculous on June 29th. Nobody has been signed yet and you or I don’t know what they are planning for the next year.

I’ve told you that I agree to disagree with you yet you want to continue to argue over hypotheticals and predictions. I’m out at this point until I see something concrete on July 1st