GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[y2kcanucks]

Wow! Signing both of these players would be a huge boon to our team.

Can you say PLAYOFFS?!?

Joking aside, the only benefit of signing these guys is that it ensures that we are another bottom feeder team in the upcoming season and we will have a shot at winning the Jack Hughes sweepstakes.

Add the Alexis Lafreniere sweepstakes too. There's our top line LW

 

[krutovsdonut]

didn't realize roussel was only 28. still do not like 4 years of term.

to me this is hopefully fine. signing both would be a little weird, and i had my heart set on 2 years, but one of these guys is probably ok, and i consistently underestimate the market so i'll stand by.

 

[Jimbo57]

didn't realize roussel was only 28. still do not like 4 years of term.

to me this is hopefully fine. signing both would be a little weird, and i had my heart set on 2 years, but one of these guys is probably ok, and i consistently underestimate the market so i'll stand by.

I dont think signing Roussel is a wise move. Hes too much Laperierre/Burrows (early in his career that is) for me. Too much of a distraction and could invite problems for the kids if he agitates the other team too much. Hes not a plug, the guy can probably put up 30 points..but at this phase of where the team is at hes probably not the right choice.

 

[VibinCanuck]

Do people not realize that paying 4th liners over 2 million dollars is not a good idea? Especially with term.

If you're paying players big then they should come with less term. Not more term.

This ain't rocket science.

 

[me2]

Contrary to the some of the opinions in here, Beagle is not a plug. He is one of the top face off guys in the league, excels at killing penalties, and can provide some C depth on a team that isnt exactly deep down the middle. Horvat will be freed up and can be put in a more offensive role, and Gaudette can be sheltered. He can either make Sutter redundant, or be flipped at a future trade deadline because he has proven that he can be a valuable contributor to a cup winning team.

He would be our 2nd best centre.

 

[canucksfan]

Do people not realize that paying 4th liners over 2 million dollars is not a good idea? Especially with term.

If you're paying players big then they should come with less term. Not more term.

This ain't rocket science.

Especially when you have a lot of cap space. There's some young guys waiting to make the team and signing FAs isn't the right move unless of course they are trading some players.

 

[me2]

Do people not realize that paying 4th liners over 2 million dollars is not a good idea? Especially with term.

If you're paying players big then they should come with less term. Not more term.

This ain't rocket science.

There is nothing wrong with paying a defensive specialist decent money, provide his age and purpose fits with you teams needs (is filling a role on a playoff team now, or in the future). Problem is his age doesn't match our timeline (2021/22) and the team sucks. If he was 25/26 he could fit the timeline. Beagle was goodgood Washington, he fit both needs, Malhotra was good for us for the same reasons.

I'd rather give him $4m 1 year and sell at 50% at the deadline than sign 3*3m.

 

[timw33]

Also, Jesus the overreaction on here
At least wait until the players are signed then freak out

It’s like people were freak out about JB “could” have passed on Zadina in the draft

We shouldn't be associated with these players at these prices or term. The fact that we might be in an active bidding war for players who for the this franchise will be meaningless and add to our glut of mediocre players is bad enough.

 

[timw33]

I have a feeling this is going to be a choice post on July 1st.

And around and around we go.......

1) No long term contracts (ie Eriksson)
2) After failed Hamhius debacle has since gotten rid of expected tradeable assetts at the deadline
3) Prioritizing speed and skill now - showing a willingness to adjust his philosophy somewhat here and keep up with the way the NHL is trending
4) Signing contracts that are in line with market value - I know everyone kicks and screams about Gudbranson but that contract was actually less then what he would have gotten had he signed with another team in free agency (I can already hear the screams from the masses on this board - I set the + - on meltdowns at this comment at 19)
5) Not letting cap money burn a hole is his pocket - Unlike most of the Doom and Gloom crowd who were certain that he was going to do just that I'm predicting a rather slow free agent signing period and all indications are that we will start the season WELLLL under the cap.

#letthetantrumsbegin

 

[kanuck87]

Whatever. The contracts itself aren't that good, but at the end of the day, this team has loads of cap space and can afford to waste some of it on a couple of quality depth players.

Usually I'm not an advocate of using cap space like this, but I'm okay in this case trying to build the supporting cast when your potential core is just around the corner and not going to be too expensive anytime soon.

 

[wonton15]

Gagner needs to go. He doesn't serve a real purpose on this team

 

[Hansen]

Gagner needs to go. He doesn't serve a real purpose on this team

I don't see why another team would want to pay him 6M over the next two years for us

 

[Grub]

Just realized today is my 10 year here. Joined because of the Hodgson draft. If I could go back in time I would probably clobber young Grub. Man I overrated Hodgson so much back then and those other prospects we drafted in 08. Bust... bust and bust. What a complete waste of time following them eh?

Great to know we are targeting fourth line players. This is like the Joker Boat scene in the Dark Knight, except this time the buff scary inmate presses the button and the other boat filled with families blow up.

I expect some moronic contracts coming our way with Jim Benning in the helm.

 

[VancouverJagger]

I have a feeling this is going to be a choice post on July 1st.

Damn Jim!! Making me look bad........I can do a perfectly fine job of handling that myself without you helping out thank-you very much........

#AndIhadyourbackJimandthisishowyoutreatme

 

[Nucker101]

Contrary to the some of the opinions in here, Beagle is not a plug. He is one of the top face off guys in the league, excels at killing penalties, and can provide some C depth on a team that isnt exactly deep down the middle. Horvat will be freed up and can be put in a more offensive role, and Gaudette can be sheltered. He can either make Sutter redundant, or be flipped at a future trade deadline because he has proven that he can be a valuable contributor to a cup winning team.

Pierre thinks Benning has done a great job in Vancouver and called the Gudbranson deal a steal and a huge mistake for the Panthers

 

[timw33]

Gagner needs to go. He doesn't serve a real purpose on this team

This literally describes 70% of our roster right now, possibly 80% pending Sunday's moves.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I dont think signing Roussel is a wise move. Hes too much Laperierre/Burrows (early in his career that is) for me. Too much of a distraction and could invite problems for the kids if he agitates the other team too much. Hes not a plug, the guy can probably put up 30 points..but at this phase of where the team is at hes probably not the right choice.

the term we give will be key. i see anything more than 2 as a necessary evil. i think we have to sign a couple of actual warm bottom 6 gritty bodies and we want them relatively competent to play kids around. we seem to be fishing right around the bottom cut off of tdl trade bait players using our ability to overpay as bait. the market is the market. if we are at the bottom doing that and guys like beagle are blowing us off, it's a sign of reality.

i agree with those pointing out that if we land these guys sutter could be traded. i think he has value, but i think we would need to sign two guys like we are targetting before we could move him.

really doubt that is the plan, but it does give us options. for all the abuse he takes, sutter clearly has market value.

 

[absolute garbage]

Archibald threw 80 hits in 27 games which projects to 240 over a full season, which would have led our team's forwards by nearly 100 hits. He was credited with hits at double the rate of noted physical player Derek Dorsett.

He also fit in seamlessly on a checking 3rd line getting the toughest zone starts in the NHL.

He also scored at a 27 point ES pace, which is absolutely exceptional for his role/usage.

He also was a regular on the PK where he generated positive results.

He's also dirt cheap at $650k and provides terrific value.

But who cares about any of that! His skating looks a bit funny and he didn't fight enough for you! So he's crap! And let's pay 5x as much for worse players that fight a few times!

If you think Darren Archibald didn't play well here last year, you don't understand hockey and your opinion here is irrelevant. Sorry.

 

[VancouverJagger]

lol it's not that I don't like looking at it - it's just out of place and unnecessary - like most of your posts. And I wasn't paying attention to your posts lol - I was replying to someone else and you felt the need to jump in... and keep going and going.

I'm like the energizer bunny in that regard I guess? Or our fearless GM - Jimbo - who keeps soldiering on despite the deluge of outrage from this board?

Anyhoo........... as I said I'm not here to fit in........

Let's return to previously scheduled programming shall we? I think you were most likely somewhere in the middle of losing it over managements potential FA acquisitions? Or was that someone else? Sorry hard to keep track here.......

 

[VancouverJagger]

This literally describes 70% of our roster right now, possibly 80% pending Sunday's moves.

Sadly I have to agree - our team is largely composed of 3rd and 4th liners atm...........We are sorely lacking in high end skill - unfortunately there isn't a ton we can do to address this except suck badly and do well at the draft to address this for the next couple of years.

 

[passive voice]

It'll be good to have Jay Beagle around cuz what if Brendan Gaunce dies?

 

[Lindgren]

Contrary to the some of the opinions in here, Beagle is not a plug. He is one of the top face off guys in the league, excels at killing penalties, and can provide some C depth on a team that isnt exactly deep down the middle. Horvat will be freed up and can be put in a more offensive role, and Gaudette can be sheltered. He can either make Sutter redundant, or be flipped at a future trade deadline because he has proven that he can be a valuable contributor to a cup winning team.

Making Sutter redundant isn't a good thing unless the team trades Sutter, and there's been no hint that Benning plans to do so. Whether Beagle can be flipped or not depends in part on the contract, and the sings, at least, are discouraging. In the meantime, if Sutter isn't traded, the Canucks will have two centres who are exclusively defensive specialists.

That's not saying Beagle is a plug. It's saying he isn't a fit. He doesn't score. He doesn't set up his teammates. He's not a potential centre on a line with Pettersson. As CanucksArmy has pointed out, as Pass it to Bulis has pointed out, as others have pointed out, he doesn't make sense for the Canucks. For a team that needs a fourth line defensive specialist, sure. That's not what the Canucks need.

I've asked this question before, with no response from those defending the idea of signing Beagle. With Beagle and Sutter as two of the team's centres, what do you think the chances are of the Canucks improving in the coming season from their woefully low-scoring results of last year?

 

[kanuck87]

Sadly I have to agree - our team is largely composed of 3rd and 4th liners atm...........We are sorely lacking in high end skill - unfortunately there isn't a ton we can do to address this except suck badly and do well at the draft to address this for the next couple of years.

And this is really kind of the entire point. There's no high-end skill players to spend all of that cap space on, so why not spend some of it on your supporting cast and hope that when your core is ready to go, that you won't have to waste 2-3 of their early prime years trying to find a suitable supporting cast.