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GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

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Cancuks said:
Eriksson $6.0
Sutter $4.375
Gudbranson $4.0
Gagner $3.15
Roussel $3.0*
Del Zotto $3.0
Beagle $2.5*
Nilsson $2.5
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That's nearly $30 million on waiver wire fodder.
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Barfed seeing that. That's more than 20 million dollars there folks.
 
Cancuks said:
Eriksson $6.0
Sutter $4.375
Gudbranson $4.0
Gagner $3.15
Roussel $3.0*
Del Zotto $3.0
Beagle $2.5*
Nilsson $2.5
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That's nearly $30 million on waiver wire fodder.
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To be fair every team in the NHL has a couple of guys like this, the Canucks aren’t exclusive to the poor contract. Every year UFAs get overpaid
 
Beagle at three years, $2.5m per year, I think is solid. (My opinion). I can live with that - the reports that his price and term are being driven up by bidding wars is worrisome, though.

I like Roussel as a player (if not as an agitator), but 4 years at $3+m is an awful lot for a guy who had 17 points last season.

At the end of the day, we have $24m in cap space with three RFAs to sign (Virtanen, Baertschi, Stecher). But we have Boeser coming up this season, and since it seems bridge deals for RFAs of his ilk are a thing of the past, we are going to be opening up the vault for him. Keeping a good chunk of available cap space is going to be of critical importance - I hope Benning doesn't add too many more contracts or it could be death by a thousand cuts.
 
Mr. Canucklehead said:
Beagle at three years, $2.5m per year, I think is solid. (My opinion). I can live with that - the reports that his price and term are being driven up by bidding wars is worrisome, though.

I like Roussel as a player (if not as an agitator), but 4 years at $3+m is an awful lot for a guy who had 17 points last season.

At the end of the day, we have $24m in cap space with three RFAs to sign (Virtanen, Baertschi, Stecher). But we have Boeser coming up this season, and since it seems bridge deals for RFAs of his ilk are a thing of the past, we are going to be opening up the vault for him. Keeping a good chunk of available cap space is going to be of critical importance - I hope Benning doesn't add too many more contracts or it could be death by a thousand cuts.
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Roussell role can be filled by Virtanen, Leipsic and Gaudette.

These additions are OK but added to the Sutter and Gagner signings they are awful. That’s too many roster spots when you have all those young forwards
 
MrBojangles said:
Especially on the Left side. They’ll want to get Hughes and Juolevi games but have Edler, MDZ, Hutton, Pouliot there.
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Something has to give. One of Hughes/Juolevi has to make it in a frickin rebuild. What about Sautner or Brisebois? Where do any of these guys slot in with 8 NHL d men signed up through next year.

*Stetcher to sign I’m sure.

Hutton I get, we don’t want to deal him when his value is low but at the same time maybe his first year was a one off. Have to think that the younger guys have more potential anyway.

Very hopeful that 1-2 of the current signed d men go, get some more picks for the local draft!!!!!!!
 
Addition by subtrsction

Leipsic Horvat Boeser
Dahlen Petterson Eriksson
Granlund Gaudette Virtanen
Gadjovich Sutter Gaunce

Edler Tanev
Pouliot Stecher
Juolevi Gudbranson
Hutton

Markstrom
Demko
 
hoyhoy42 said:
Something has to give. One of Hughes/Juolevi has to make it in a frickin rebuild. What about Sautner or Brisebois? Where do any of these guys slot in with 8 NHL d men signed up through next year.

*Stetcher to sign I’m sure.

Hutton I get, we don’t want to deal him when his value is low but at the same time maybe his first year was a one off. Have to think that the younger guys have more potential anyway.

Very hopeful that 1-2 of the current signed d men go, get some more picks for the local draft!!!!!!!
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I’m hopeful they finally move on from Edler.
 
MrBojangles said:
I’m hopeful they finally move on from Edler.
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I’ve grown to dislike Edler because I feel like he is happy enough to collect his paycheque and give the minimum amount each game..... he was capable of so much more and just seems to not be willing to play to that level
 
WTG said:
Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
xxxx-xxxx-xxxx
Eriksson-Sutter-Gagner
Rousel-Beagle-Granlund
Gaunce
Liepsic

Leaves 3 open roster spots for: Gaudette/Dahlen/Pettersson/Virtanen/Goldobin. Pettersson makes the team, save to assume he'll be in the lineup, Virtanen was the 4th player in GP last year he'll be in the lineup. Goldobin requires waivers, so he'll either be in the lineup or in the press box. What about Gaudette and Dahlen? Signing one of Rousel/Beagle is maybe passable but both? Yikes.

Besides, why are we signing bad contracts in the first place. We should be taking other peoples bad contracts instead... This is just a dumb idea start to finish, and will back fire. Just like last year, where I held your position, that I thought there was no way that they'd bench the younger players. And guess what they did, they just sat the young players in the press box while the overpaid vets played. Same thing will happen this year, guaranteed.
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As I said, if they can't trade Sutter, I question whether they should sign Beagle at all. But let's leave that for later. Let's first consider what happens if they sign Roussel, and assume Pettersson makes the team out of camp. Virtanen is a lock and won't be traded.

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
xxxx-xxxx-Virtanen
Eriksson-Sutter-Pettersson
Rousel-Gagner-Granlund
yyyy
yyyy

That leaves 4 spots open: two in the line-up and the 13th and 14th forwards. These four spots will be fought over by Gaunce, Leipsic, Goldobin, Gaudette, and Dahlen. It is more likely than not that Dahlen will start in the AHL where he should be. So you have:

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
Goldobin/Leipsic-Gaudette-Virtanen
Eriksson-Sutter-Pettersson
Rousel-Gagner-Granlund
Gaunce
Leipsic/Goldobin

Under this scenario, injuries will occur and Dahlen will get plenty of opportunity at the NHL level, if he earns it.

I also hope that Gaunce can show he's an everyday player and displaces Gagner to the press box.

One of Goldobin or Leipsic needs to step up.

I don't particularly like the roster but it gets the kids plenty of opportunity to play while pushing Gaunce, Goldobin and Leipsic to be better than replacement players.

Now, if Sutter is traded (highly unlikely but worth the effort to ask the question) and Beagle is signed, nothing changes much. Except that Beagle + assets returned for Sutter is likely much better than keeping Sutter.

This all assumes that the contracts for Roussel and Beagle are two years or less, which probably means my entire post is irrelevant :laugh:
 
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clay said:
So if we sign Beagle to a 3 year deal, does that signal Benning throwing in the towel for Pettersson projecting as a C? We all know this franchise isn't going to ship or bench Sutter/Beagle. Gaudette and Horvat fill the other 2 spots.
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No, there is a quote fron JB saying they definitely see him as a center in the future.
 
JanBulisPiggyBack said:
To be fair every team in the NHL has a couple of guys like this, the Canucks aren’t exclusive to the poor contract. Every year UFAs get overpaid
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Lol by 'couple' do you mean 2 or 3? Because there are 8 people on that list. So if every team has a 'couple' of contracts like this the Canucks have 4 x as many horrible contracts as the average team. Which makes sense. And yes UFA's are over paid, yet the Canucks dive in year after year and overpay.
 
Pavel96 said:
Lol by 'couple' do you mean 2 or 3? Because there are 8 people on that list. So if every team has a 'couple' of contracts like this the Canucks have 4 x as many horrible contracts as the average team. Which makes sense. And yes UFA's are over paid, yet the Canucks dive in year after year and overpay.
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I’m far from a Benning fan, but the term “waiver wire fodder” was used pretty loosely with that list.
 
Nucker101 said:
I would much rather Benning do something similar to what Bergevin just did today instead of overpaying Bottom 6 players
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Well everyone freaked out when the overpaid for Eriksonn and remember "this management group is learning on the job". So is it really a shock that now they are targeting bottom 6 players? The likely think it will get them praise as "they are being smart with their money". Yet they can't help themselves and as terrible negotiators and judges of pro talent etc the canucks will just end up with 2 overpaid, underperforming players (whose contracts total around 6 M) as opposed to one overpaid player at 6 M. Just give them a few more years to learn on the job.
 
Nucker101 said:
I’m far from a Benning fan, but the term “waiver wire fodder” was used pretty loosely with that list.
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I agree Sutter and Eriksonn aren't waiver wire players (no one would take Eriksonns contract anyways lol) but the post I replied to referenced- 'every team has a couple of guys like this, every team has poor contracts and UFA's are overpaid'. In the NHL they get 18 skaters on a team? to have 7/18 and 1/2 goalies on a list like that is pretty brutal/telling as to why this team has been so horrendous. Let's not make excuses and compare the Canucks performance to every team in the league - they really have been at the bottom and in a class with the worst 5 teams consistently in the last 4 years.
 
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