GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[Get North]

The top Cs in UFA are Tavares, Thornton, Stastny, Bozak. After that, it falls down to Grant, Plekanec, Flippula, Ryan. I want one of these 4 guys, they should be cheap (less than 4 million per), the term depends on the player IMO. But, these guys got good hockey sense, good in the faceoffs and I think they could be solid 2Cs for us right now.

I would also look at trading Hutton for anything and signing a De Haan. De Haan is a better player, and we get an asset coming back. Cap-wise it'll be a wash, Hutton makes too much anyways.

 

[terrible dee]

That would be so sweet if we could get him cheaply... he was a #1 overall pick in his draft year!!

Please, Jim!!!

Nail is an awesome guy, a really good human being, I have all kinds of time for giving him more chances.....

WE WANT NAIL!!!!

 

[terrible dee]

Yeah, I meant on the presumption that Demko isn't ready next season and the best we have is Markstrom-Nilsson.

Demko has has SIX YEARS of development......he is what he is BRING HIM UP

 

[terrible dee]

Not adding anyone could be fine, there are always surprising players placed on waivers every year. Could just pick one up if a player disappoints.

I do see the Canucks signing a Dorsett replacement, since Green is obsessed with his grit...

I'm all for this,

Stay with what we have, make them earn their money

We aren't singing Bozo?! THANK F**KING GOD!!!

 

[Bleach Clean]

Canucks Army advocating that centers Victor Rask and Lucas Wallmark might be available from Carolina. Rask is due $4 million a season for the next four years, and Carolina may want to get out from under it. Maybe a hockey trade? Hutton, Baertschi and a few other pieces?

Those CA guys must read HF. Rask is not ideal, but it's about the acquisition cost. CAR, I think, will be looking to dump his contract. They asked for two 2nd from MTL, but over time, that ask should go down. Maybe VAN can parlay Hutton the other way, as you've said.

No thanks to Rask.

Why? Skilled Cs are hard to come by. He's suspect defensively and doesn't have a lot of try, but he's skilled and can play with guys like Pettersson. If they were willing to go after Bozak, then I'm not sure why Rask is that much worse?

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Well if the Capitals showed us anything it’s that you need a Russian winger drafted 1OA in order to win the Stanley Cup.

Exactly.If Buffalo’s management was paying attention,they would have taken Svechnikov 1OA and they’d be guaranteed a cup.

 

[biturbo19]

@biturbo19 you are overthinking what I am saying. I don't think Burrows would go play in the AHL unless he was interested in going into coaching. Then he might go play a couple years in the minors, spending as much time with the coaches as he could, asking questions about process, maybe sitting in on some coaches' meetings etc.

I don't think Burrows would go play in the AHL just because he wasn't ready to retire even though he was no longer an AHL player. In that case, I'd expect he'd go to Europe (I'd rather spend my final years living in a European country, playing a less physical brand of hockey, rather than busing around NA).

So if he played in the AHL, I'd expect it to be a "transition" period as he learns about coaching. I'd be willing to spend a contract slot on this Burrows even though that contract slot has nearly nil chance of being an NHLer at this point.

I still don't get it at all. If Burrows wants to coach, or you want Burrows to start working on that...he needs to be coaching, not playing. He's not going to learn something special playing a year in the AHL that he hasn't already picked up in working his way up through every level of hockey, right up to playing a bundle of years at the absolute highest level. It just doesn't make any sense at all to spend a contract slot on that.

 

[me2]

So what are these rumours I am hearing? WE aren't going to offer Bozak 6 years at 5 mill per? And it doesn't sound as if the Canucks are going to be giving out any big money contracts for term either? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???!!! All of the Doom and Gloom crowd had me convinced we were going to throw around money like $$ bills at a strip club. Could it be that *gasp.......Benning is actually improving at his job? *double gasp..............OMG - say it isn't so...........

Hey look, even a Benning superfan is admitting Benning doing nothing is better than Benning doing something.

 

[biturbo19]

The top Cs in UFA are Tavares, Thornton, Stastny, Bozak. After that, it falls down to Grant, Plekanec, Flippula, Ryan. I want one of these 4 guys, they should be cheap (less than 4 million per), the term depends on the player IMO. But, these guys got good hockey sense, good in the faceoffs and I think they could be solid 2Cs for us right now.

I would also look at trading Hutton for anything and signing a De Haan. De Haan is a better player, and we get an asset coming back. Cap-wise it'll be a wash, Hutton makes too much anyways.

Plekanec is mildly interesting on a cheap 1-year sort of deal. He's lost most of the offensive ability he once had, but i think he probably still at least sees the ice well enough to play on that stopgap 2nd line C role alongside Pettersson, better than a guy like Sutter...and is still a better defensive player than Gagner who can't really handle NHL center duties without getting badly exposed. Kinda expect him to just end up back in Montreal, but it wouldn't be the worst guy to kick tires on.

De Haan though...there's zero chance that contract is "a wash" with Hutton. He was already making more than Hutton on a cheap deal designed specifically to get him directly to UFA to cash in. He's one of a small handful of solid Top-4D on the market this summer, and he's about as young as a UFA gets. He's going to be a $4M+ longer-term sort of deal.

Not sure that's the market i want to be in right now, even if De Haan is a solid, if unspectacular player.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Hey look, even a Benning superfan is admitting Benning doing nothing is better than Benning doing something.

Speaking of “calling out the crap”, you have tried once again to turn a “free agency” thread into a bash management thread. Nice. What are your thoughts on who the Canucks should target? Personally, I think management should set internal restrictions on contracts to ensure there won’t be regrets. No contracts over two years is a good start. Obviously no NTCs which should be common sense for a rebuilding team

 

[PuckMunchkin]

And around and around we go.......
1) No long term contracts (ie Eriksson)

We don't know that he didn't try and get turned down. Let's face it, for players that have any control over where they land, Vancouver is not high on the list right now.

2) After failed Hamhius debacle has since gotten rid of expected tradeable assetts at the deadline

Tanev is still here. Sutter is still here. He got rid of Vanek for sure, just didn't get anything back.

3) Prioritizing speed and skill now - showing a willingness to adjust his philosophy somewhat here and keep up with the way the NHL is trending

This I can grant you. I like the kind of players they are drafting, mostly. This year not so much as last year.

4) Signing contracts that are in line with market value - I know everyone kicks and screams about Gudbranson but that contract was actually less then what he would have gotten had he signed with another team in free agency (I can already hear the screams from the masses on this board - I set the + - on meltdowns at this comment at 19)

Gudbranson's contract is awful. Jack Johnson is signing for less out of free agency. Just take a look at the other D men in the league making 4 mil per.

He is giving rises to players that have played deplorable hockey here.

Why are you using terms like "kicks and screams." It's almost like you are trying to discredit anyone with a critical opinnion instead of actually debating the issues. You must understand that this kind of ad hominem attacks does nothing to strenghten your case?

5) Not letting cap money burn a hole is his pocket - Unlike most of the Doom and Gloom crowd who were certain that he was going to do just that I'm predicting a rather slow free agent signing period and all indications are that we will start the season WELLLL under the cap.

It's not Free Agency yet. So you are just making assumptions here. But yes. So far we have not spent to the cap.

Again with the childish "Doom and Gloom crowd" type attacks on posters instead of debating the issues... Why?

#letthetantrumsbegin

And here we try to antagonise the people who disagree one more time, just to be sure.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I don't think it wouldn't mattered if Scotty Bowman Lou Lamoriello or the damn Pope was our GM - you fail to see that no matter what our team was headed for disaster thanks to previous management's extremely poor drafting and win now at the expense of our futures attitude. Minor detail that you conveniently leave out when assessing Bennings track record. Like yeah ideally he should have turned all those second round assetts into Norris trophy candidates.........

Anyhoo - don't quit your day job is all that I can say. You have a one track mind and it's stuck on repeat........around and around and around...........I'm gonna exit this convo as shouting at the wall is only fun for soo long........

Everyone understands that Gillis left the team low on assets. Everyone except Benning who tried to push that team in to the playoffs for 4 years and ending up being the worst team in the league while doing so.

Why are you so infinitely patient with having him learn how to be a GM on your hockey team? Shouldn't he have done that before, and that be the reason he is hired?

There has got to be a limit for how long Gillis gets blamed for the team Jim assembles. At some point you have got to agree that Jim is responsible for what Jim does.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Everyone understands that Gillis left the team low on assets. Everyone except Benning who tried to push that team in to the playoffs for 4 years and ending up being the worst team in the league while doing so.

Why are you so infinitely patient with having him learn how to be a GM on your hockey team? Shouldn't he have done that before, and that be the reason he is hired?

There has got to be a limit for how long Gillis gets blamed for the team Jim assembles. At some point you have got to agree that Jim is responsible for what Jim does.

I see this thread has completely derailed into the Benning thread..Yawn..

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I see this thread has completely derailed into the Benning thread..Yawn..

I think it got derailed somewhere around here:

So what are these rumours I am hearing? WE aren't going to offer Bozak 6 years at 5 mill per? And it doesn't sound as if the Canucks are going to be giving out any big money contracts for term either? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???!!! All of the Doom and Gloom crowd had me convinced we were going to throw around money like $$ bills at a strip club. Could it be that *gasp.......Benning is actually improving at his job? *double gasp..............OMG - say it isn't so...........

 

[alternate]

I still don't get it at all. If Burrows wants to coach, or you want Burrows to start working on that...he needs to be coaching, not playing. He's not going to learn something special playing a year in the AHL that he hasn't already picked up in working his way up through every level of hockey, right up to playing a bundle of years at the absolute highest level. It just doesn't make any sense at all to spend a contract slot on that.

Okay, let me rephrase. If Burrows wanted an NHL contract just to keep the door from fully closing on his NHL career, but was willing to take on a mentor in Utica I'd consider that good utility from that contract slot. And if he wanted to enter coaching after a year or two, I'd be happy to have him in the organization.

This topic probably isn't worth the three, four replies we've given it.

 

[Get North]

Plekanec is mildly interesting on a cheap 1-year sort of deal. He's lost most of the offensive ability he once had, but i think he probably still at least sees the ice well enough to play on that stopgap 2nd line C role alongside Pettersson, better than a guy like Sutter...and is still a better defensive player than Gagner who can't really handle NHL center duties without getting badly exposed. Kinda expect him to just end up back in Montreal, but it wouldn't be the worst guy to kick tires on.

De Haan though...there's zero chance that contract is "a wash" with Hutton. He was already making more than Hutton on a cheap deal designed specifically to get him directly to UFA to cash in. He's one of a small handful of solid Top-4D on the market this summer, and he's about as young as a UFA gets. He's going to be a $4M+ longer-term sort of deal.

Not sure that's the market i want to be in right now, even if De Haan is a solid, if unspectacular player.

I'm not sure how Montreal feels about bringing Plekanec back. I'm not hearing a lot about in the media and since it's Montreal I thought I'd hear about it quite a bit. Plekanec would be a good fit though, he can bring a lot of different qualities to the team and especially younger players. Smart, two-way, disciplined player with good hockey sense. Might be lacking in the speed department nowadays though.

You're right about De Haan. I thought there were a lot more quality UFA defencemen. DeMelo would probably be a better bet, but he has much less upside and isn't worth replacing Hutton for because of handedness.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Nick Kypreos speculating about a possible Tanev + for Nylander deal if Tavares signs in Toronto.

 

[M2Beezy]

Nick Kypreos speculating about a possible Tanev + for Nylander deal if Tavares signs in Toronto.

No way we add in that deal

 

[M2Beezy]

Anyways as for the thread title what did i miss on Boazak not singing here? I looked thru the thread but couldnt find it

 

[drax0s]

Anyways as for the thread title what did i miss on Boazak not singing here? I looked thru the thread but couldnt find it

Too expensive. Benning either has an internal salary cap or he's trying to avoid another Eriksson.

 

[Ryp37]

Trading our best asset for someone we could have drafted seems so Benning

 

[Peter10]

I don't think it wouldn't mattered if Scotty Bowman Lou Lamoriello or the damn Pope was our GM

Well there isnt much difference between the Pope and Benning. Apparently both believe in miracles and things that dont happen in real life.

 

[CanaFan]

No way we add in that deal

Ya we definitely do. Tanev’s 28, Nylander’s 22. You gotta pay for that age difference.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Nick Kypreos speculating about a possible Tanev + for Nylander deal if Tavares signs in Toronto.

Id rather not,,we really dont need anymore soft players on this team do we.but i was thinking that some teams that are going after big ticket UFAs ,some teams might have to move a contract,,,like above with Nylander,,,,so we could be in a postion of trades instead,,,Hey Canucks we need to clear some cap space,,,can you take this guy,,,so we can sign this guy,,,,
Could be interesting July 1st,,,

 

[VancouverJagger]

Id rather not,,we really dont need anymore soft players on this team do we.but i was thinking that some teams that are going after big ticket UFAs ,some teams might have to move a contract,,,like above with Nylander,,,,so we could be in a postion of trades instead,,,Hey Canucks we need to clear some cap space,,,can you take this guy,,,so we can sign this guy,,,,
Could be interesting July 1st,,,

I agree completely - Nylander didn't impress me at all last post season.........we have plenty of marshmellows on our team. I supposed if we could get him for Tanev straight up fine but that def. isn't going to happen.

Not sure Jimbo is shrewd enough to take advantage of situations like this though - would certainly be a good opportunity for us to take advantage of our cap space - just a tiny bit dubious on whether management can actually pull something like this off.....