GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[y2kcanucks]

And how do you know that picks were available to Benning? According to him no picks were offered to him - so now I guess Jim is lying.......Okkkkkkk then.........We could go around in circles on this forever - I rather doubt either of us is going to definitively prove their point - but hey - feel free to continue trying.

Benning didn't want picks, he wanted a hockey trade. That's what he said.

-so now I guess Jim is lying......Okkkkkk then.......

 

[sting101]

Problem is that a bunch of those guys have already sank and we're still trying to strap lifejackets to them.

No not really.

25 - Granlund scored 19, had a good start to last year on a shut down line and when the injuries piled up and the team went to shit so did his play and then just as he started to score a couple and look half decent he gets knocked out for the season
25/26 - Baertschi hasn't been able to stay healthy but last year was scoring at a 46pt pace and thats with some tough love from Green at times.
24 - Gaunce wasn't healthy recovering from shoulder surgery but at times looked as though he could be a capable 3/4 LW. He at least has to be capable of producing like Archibald to be anything but waiver fodder
22 - Goldobin essentially just started his NHL career and needs a rope to hang himself on. Larionov and himself were adamant that they would have a big offseason training........well see
24 - Leipsic has bounced around and hasn't been good enough but he showes flashes and needs a good opportunity for more than 20 games. He's the exact type of player a Marchessault was a few years back.......this is his best opportunity to date
21/22 -Virtanen will be a regular barring a complete mental failure. If he can bury some of his chances he can easily be a 15-20 goal guy with some heaviness. Man do we need some of that.
24 - Pouliot and 25 -Hutton have been soft as butter and both these guys need to learn to not only do things more assertively they need to be able to mitigate mistakes. Both are not conditioned good enough can they improve well it's a big crossroad for both.
24 - Stecher is probably maxed out. He certainly isn't going to be able to train harder and most of his mistakes stem from getting physically run over. A bounce back would be nice to see though

bottom line is all these guys are at prime ages and have shown flashes of being good players whether you let your biases digest that or not. I'm not saying even half these guys are gonna reach the potential they have to be decent to good NHLers but what i am saying and hopefully management is also is lets give these guys the opportunity and see what happens.

The end result hopefully is a few guys rise up and become good players. The flip side is if they mostly fall flat is a chance at Hughes and that the very guys Benning went and had faith in acquiring cause his demise and you probably can add Juolevis development to that list as well.

Hiding these guys behing a bunch of free agents and blaming Nash or Bozak or Vaneks of the world is junk.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Benning didn't want picks, he wanted a hockey trade. That's what he said.

-so now I guess Jim is lying......Okkkkkk then.......

He also said no picks were offered to him.........*sigh

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It definitely makes it easier yes.......But yeah it's nice to hear you admit Benning is improving at his job. At this rate and with the youth and hope we are bringing in I think everyone needs to buckle up for quite some time as with this obvious improvement in his decision making I don't see him going anywhere for a while.

I don't think he is improving.

 

[CanaFan]

He also said no picks were offered to him.........*sigh

Which in itself is a bit hard to believe when dozens of draft picks were moved to other GMs.

 

[y2kcanucks]

He also said no picks were offered to him.........*sigh

Probably because he wasn't asking for picks and was asking for players? ......*sigh

 

[VancouverJagger]

I don't think he is improving.

That's fine - we don't have to agree - I think he is...........and that there are plenty of reasons (that I have covered extensively) to support this argument.......

 

[CanaFan]

That's fine - we don't have to agree - I think he is...........and that there are plenty of reasons (that I have covered extensively) to support this argument.......

List 5

 

[VancouverJagger]

List 5

And around and around we go.......

1) No long term contracts (ie Eriksson)
2) After failed Hamhius debacle has since gotten rid of expected tradeable assetts at the deadline
3) Prioritizing speed and skill now - showing a willingness to adjust his philosophy somewhat here and keep up with the way the NHL is trending
4) Signing contracts that are in line with market value - I know everyone kicks and screams about Gudbranson but that contract was actually less then what he would have gotten had he signed with another team in free agency (I can already hear the screams from the masses on this board - I set the + - on meltdowns at this comment at 19)
5) Not letting cap money burn a hole is his pocket - Unlike most of the Doom and Gloom crowd who were certain that he was going to do just that I'm predicting a rather slow free agent signing period and all indications are that we will start the season WELLLL under the cap.

#letthetantrumsbegin

 

[PRNuck]

2) After failed Hamhius debacle has since gotten rid of expected tradeable assetts at the deadline

2017's trade deadline was good. This past season he failed again.

 

[y2kcanucks]

And around and around we go.......

Yup, we keep going around because these points keep being refuted and you just ignore that.

1) No long term contracts (ie Eriksson)

But he's still signing bad contracts. This is what I was talking about yesterday with how low the bar is being set. I'm not going to praise Benning because he didn't screw up as badly as the Eriksson contract again, despite the fact that he's still giving out bad contracts.

2) After failed Hamhius debacle has since gotten rid of expected tradeable assetts at the deadline

Again, the bar is so low here. You're basically praising him for doing his job while giving him a pass for not doing his job a couple years ago. Further to this, the assets he's still targeting are quite bad and on par with what he had been targeting at the beginning of his tenure.

3) Prioritizing speed and skill now - showing a willingness to adjust his philosophy somewhat here and keep up with the way the NHL is trending

Is he? The Gudbranson re-signing doesn't fit with this. I will give some credit in that our drafting philosophy seems to have changed. But again, still doing your job and following the league trends isn't anything to really celebrate. It should be expected.

4) Signing contracts that are in line with market value - I know everyone kicks and screams about Gudbranson but that contract was actually less then what he would have gotten had he signed with another team in free agency (I can already hear the screams from the masses on this board - I set the + - on meltdowns at this comment at 19)

I honestly don't care if some other team would have overpaid to sign Gudbranson. Though I do question whether $4M was even market value for him considering a slightly less pathetic defenseman (Jack Johnson) will be signing for cheaper than this.

Glad you brought up Gudbranson though considering he really isn't a good defenseman. This is the perfect example of why Benning is a poor GM, and not a good judge of talent. Overpaying for these types of bad players is why the Canucks have been so awful during his tenure.

5) Not letting cap money burn a hole is his pocket - Unlike most of the Doom and Gloom crowd who were certain that he was going to do just that I'm predicting a rather slow free agent signing period and all indications are that we will start the season WELLLL under the cap.

#letthetantrumsbegin

It's not a "doom and gloom" crowd. This has been the worst team in the NHL over the last 3 year period. People's attitudes just reflect the reality of the team. Wasting cap space on poor assets, and overpaying bad players is never a good idea. If you can't understand that cap space is an asset, and one of the most valuable assets in the NHL today, that would really explain a lot about your pro Benning stance.

 

[biturbo19]

I wouldn’t mind Burrows brought back as a way to provide the kids shelter from scorn. He also seems to be a coach in the making so I wouldn’t mind him providing some of that mentorship that we all love to discuss.

Hansen doesn’t interest me though, as I remember him saying that he didn’t see it as his job to mentor younger players and preferred if it was a team of vets.

Not really that bothered, though.

The problem with Burrows, is that he's absolutely done as a skater. He wouldn't be "sheltering" anyone from anything at this point. He's liable to be nothing but a stumbling block doing a poor job in the exact sort of role that you can actually get one of these "fringe forwards" into.

Moreover, while we all loved the fire and competitive drive that allowed Burrows to claw his way to the NHL in the first place...it can be a real double-edged sword when you have a guy like that who has lost the ability to play, and is getting passed left right and center by younger players, fringe players, etc. It often finds a way to manifest as frustration and resentment, which we just don't need here. Let his legacy end here, without dragging it through the mud anymore.

Dan Hamhuis is really the only former Canuck i'd want to bring back...because he's the guy who can still actually play a meaningful role, and seems to have the quiet sort of leadership to be a guy who sets a great example, mentors where he can...but can fade into the background a bit and not get in the way while the young guys start to find their own legs as the "leadership group" of this team. Just a sort of "leadership safety net" and sounding board.

Though he'll probably get some offers elsewhere, on account of his ability to still play as a no-maintenance Top-4ish D. Which is a coveted commodity in today's NHL. So he'd have to be coming back because he really loves the city and wants this to be the place his family settles in.

Why would he be interested in an ex-prospect that can’t skate?

Yakupov? I'd say skating is probably one of the few things he actually can do. It's everything else about his game that is seriously lacking, and causes him to "play slow".

 

[alternate]

less management critique, more news and rumours

 

[VancouverJagger]

It's not a "doom and gloom" crowd. This has been the worst team in the NHL over the last 3 year period. People's attitudes just reflect the reality of the team. Wasting cap space on poor assets, and overpaying bad players is never a good idea. If you can't understand that cap space is an asset, and one of the most valuable assets in the NHL today, that would really explain a lot about your pro Benning stance.

I don't think it wouldn't mattered if Scotty Bowman Lou Lamoriello or the damn Pope was our GM - you fail to see that no matter what our team was headed for disaster thanks to previous management's extremely poor drafting and win now at the expense of our futures attitude. Minor detail that you conveniently leave out when assessing Bennings track record. Like yeah ideally he should have turned all those second round assetts into Norris trophy candidates.........

Anyhoo - don't quit your day job is all that I can say. You have a one track mind and it's stuck on repeat........around and around and around...........I'm gonna exit this convo as shouting at the wall is only fun for soo long........

 

[CanaFan]

And around and around we go.......

1) No long term contracts (ie Eriksson)
2) After failed Hamhius debacle has since gotten rid of expected tradeable assetts at the deadline
3) Prioritizing speed and skill now - showing a willingness to adjust his philosophy somewhat here and keep up with the way the NHL is trending
4) Signing contracts that are in line with market value - I know everyone kicks and screams about Gudbranson but that contract was actually less then what he would have gotten had he signed with another team in free agency (I can already hear the screams from the masses on this board - I set the + - on meltdowns at this comment at 19)
5) Not letting cap money burn a hole is his pocket - Unlike most of the Doom and Gloom crowd who were certain that he was going to do just that I'm predicting a rather slow free agent signing period and all indications are that we will start the season WELLLL under the cap.

#letthetantrumsbegin

That's 5 alright though #1 and #5 seem like the same thing so its closer to 4. #2 I agree with however his 2017 >> 2018 so perhaps he's regressing again? #3 is framed in a funny way because the only reason he would have been a UFA is because Benning (stupidly) signed him to a 1 year deal in 2017 after (stupidly) overpaying to acquire a #6 defenseman in the first place. #3 is true at the draft, however it's unclear whether that is Benning's direct influence or because of the Judd Bracket promotion in 2016. Timing seems to coincide.

Anyway, I asked for 5 and you almost gave me 5 so kudos to you. Benning has clearly improved from eating his own tie to sitting quietly in the corner while the other kids play. Can't deny that's some kind of improvement.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Lmao here we go again. Another
thread hijacked by the Benning Haters trying to pull everyone with them to their misery.

Im loving the saltyness !

Anyways back to free agency.

I wouldnt mind Riley Nash at 4mil x3. I know it will cost more than that because its free agency.

Im good with any low term centre if it means we can move Sutter at some point this season.

I also think we will be going after a heavy/sandpaper player to replace Dorsett. I dont think they believe in Archibald.

 

[DonnyNucker]

less management critique, more news and rumours

This thread is a cesspool. I wish both sides would shut the frank up about management.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Lmao here we go again. Another
thread hijacked by the Benning Haters trying to pull everyone with them to their misery.

Im loving the saltyness !

Anyways back to free agency.

I wouldnt mind Riley Nash at 4mil x3. I know it will cost more than that because its free agency.

Im good with any low term centre if it means we can move Sutter at some point this season.

I also think we will be going after a heavy/sandpaper player to replace Dorsett. I dont think they believe in Archibald.

I’d only be interested in buying low on Nash and that seems unlikely. Nothing wrong with adding zero players. See what scraps are available in August

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

less management critique, more news and rumours

The hillarious part is its posters who swore off the team and following the Canucks when Benning got extended.

Lmao. False promise as they are here being a bunch of Eeyores.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

He proved his UFA deadline flip strategy with [looks at notes] acquiring Tyler Motte instead of any sort of pick.

“Proved his deadline flip strategy”

There’s nothing to suggest any strategy. Not with any sort of legitimate sample size.

 

[Fatass]

Lmao here we go again. Another
thread hijacked by the Benning Haters trying to pull everyone with them to their misery.

Im loving the saltyness !

Anyways back to free agency.

I wouldnt mind Riley Nash at 4mil x3. I know it will cost more than that because its free agency.

Im good with any low term centre if it means we can move Sutter at some point this season.

I also think we will be going after a heavy/sandpaper player to replace Dorsett. I dont think they believe in Archibald.

I just hope we don't sign anyone to too much term, and definitely no NTC's. Money, on a short one or two year term is fine. I'd even take Bozak for 2 years at 5 or even 6 million. Just not any longer.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Anyone who’s 24-25+ on this roster won’t be around for our next cup run so.... who cares about the Granlunds and Baertschis. We are so far away from a run these guys will be retired in 10 years.

No not really.

25 - Granlund scored 19, had a good start to last year on a shut down line and when the injuries piled up and the team went to **** so did his play and then just as he started to score a couple and look half decent he gets knocked out for the season
25/26 - Baertschi hasn't been able to stay healthy but last year was scoring at a 46pt pace and thats with some tough love from Green at times.
24 - Gaunce wasn't healthy recovering from shoulder surgery but at times looked as though he could be a capable 3/4 LW. He at least has to be capable of producing like Archibald to be anything but waiver fodder
22 - Goldobin essentially just started his NHL career and needs a rope to hang himself on. Larionov and himself were adamant that they would have a big offseason training........well see
24 - Leipsic has bounced around and hasn't been good enough but he showes flashes and needs a good opportunity for more than 20 games. He's the exact type of player a Marchessault was a few years back.......this is his best opportunity to date
21/22 -Virtanen will be a regular barring a complete mental failure. If he can bury some of his chances he can easily be a 15-20 goal guy with some heaviness. Man do we need some of that.
24 - Pouliot and 25 -Hutton have been soft as butter and both these guys need to learn to not only do things more assertively they need to be able to mitigate mistakes. Both are not conditioned good enough can they improve well it's a big crossroad for both.
24 - Stecher is probably maxed out. He certainly isn't going to be able to train harder and most of his mistakes stem from getting physically run over. A bounce back would be nice to see though

bottom line is all these guys are at prime ages and have shown flashes of being good players whether you let your biases digest that or not. I'm not saying even half these guys are gonna reach the potential they have to be decent to good NHLers but what i am saying and hopefully management is also is lets give these guys the opportunity and see what happens.

The end result hopefully is a few guys rise up and become good players. The flip side is if they mostly fall flat is a chance at Hughes and that the very guys Benning went and had faith in acquiring cause his demise and you probably can add Juolevis development to that list as well.

Hiding these guys behing a bunch of free agents and blaming Nash or Bozak or Vaneks of the world is junk.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

I personally want zero UFA signings unless it’s 1 year deals to flip at the deadline.

I don’t want, or expect the team on the ice to ever try and lose, but it wouldn’t be a stretch with the current line up to expect bottom finish.

 

[Melvin]

We already signed our C for Pettersson......his name is Markus GRANLUND.

its time that all these tweeners feet get put to the fire. Put up or go away. We dont need 23-25yr old players that cant be effective NHLers and need sheltering

Granlund Leipsic Baertschi Goldobin Gaunce Motte Virtanen Pouliot Stecher Hutton need lots of ice time and if they cant handle it it's time to send them elsewhere.

This is the most true thing you've ever said.

 

[VancouverJagger]

No to Burrows.......yeah it's a nice feel good story but nice stories don't win hockey games and we have enough guys on our team already that bring nothing.

No on Hansen as well.........see above........if you want to bring either back due it in a capacity where they aren't actually playing for the team anymore.