GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[CanaFan]

It would not shock me if another dumb GM does allow him to move Lucic for cheap.

Wouldn’t shock me if said dumb GM was our GM. My idea was more wishful thinking.

 

[VancouverJagger]

I don’t remember, maybe I was drinking? His trade deadline was definitely a D though, so I don’t know why you’d give him more than that.

If Benning took a 12 month vacation and did absolutely nothing it’d be an improvement. But actually hiring a good GM would be an even bigger one.

You definitely need to lay off the sauce then as you did most assuredly say that. (It must have been a moment of weakness although you know what they say - drunk people say what sober people think). The last trade deadline? I totally disagree - I think Leipsic has the opportunity of being a very serviceable player for us. Not thrilled on the Vanek deal however we have to take Jimbo at his word that picks weren't available in which case it's not great but certainly not a D. So between the B and C grades for both of those deals that averages out to a C+................Right around where you recently graded him........

 

[CanaFan]

You definitely need to lay off the sauce then as you did most assuredly say that. (It must have been a moment of weakness although you know what they say - drunk people say what sober people think). The last trade deadline? I totally disagree - I think Leipsic has the opportunity of being a very serviceable player for us. Not thrilled on the Vanek deal however we have to take Jimbo at his word that picks weren't available in which case it's not great but certainly not a D. So between the B and C grades for both of those deals that averages out to a C+................Right around where you recently graded him........

Too generous. Vanek was a pure failure, that’s a D. Leipsic was fine, that’s a C+, maybe a B. The fact that he didn’t do anything else as the GM of a rebuilding team that is one of the 5 worst teams in the league, that’s an F.

You don’t get graded only on what you do, you also get graded on what you don’t do. That’s why you’d give Benning high marks for sitting out the UFA period and not doing anything stupid. I’d give him high marks if he did that while also making a good signing or two.

That’s why I say it must be nice for you to have the bar set so low. It’s like coming home and being over the moon that your house didn’t burn down and your dog didn’t run away. Low expectations are nice but not for everyone.

 

[sting101]

We already signed our C for Pettersson......his name is Markus GRANLUND.

its time that all these tweeners feet get put to the fire. Put up or go away. We dont need 23-25yr old players that cant be effective NHLers and need sheltering

Granlund Leipsic Baertschi Goldobin Gaunce Motte Virtanen Pouliot Stecher Hutton need lots of ice time and if they cant handle it it's time to send them elsewhere.

 

[CanaFan]

We already signed our C for Pettersson......his name is Markus GRANLUND.

its time that all these tweeners feet get put to the fire. Put up or go away. We dont need 23-25yr old players that cant be effective NHLers and need sheltering

Granlund Leipsic Baertschi Goldobin Gaunce Motte Virtanen Pouliot Stecher Hutton need lots of ice time and if they cant handle it it's time to send them elsewhere.

You know, we may argue a lot but sometimes I can’t give your posts enough likes.

 

[sting101]

I would probably be willing to tolerate a Lucic for Eriksson...........wonder if the Canucks have kicked the tires on this at all?

i wouldn't do it. Eriksson can at least play as a 3rd liner.

Lucic is essentially a 4th line LW at this point for 6 million. On paper i could handle it for a 2nd in next years draft but the thing is Milan would get eaten alive by the city and it wouldn't be a healthy thing for anyone

 

[krutovsdonut]

We already signed our C for Pettersson......his name is Markus GRANLUND.

its time that all these tweeners feet get put to the fire. Put up or go away. We dont need 23-25yr old players that cant be effective NHLers and need sheltering

Granlund Leipsic Baertschi Goldobin Gaunce Motte Virtanen Pouliot Stecher Hutton need lots of ice time and if they cant handle it it's time to send them elsewhere.

this sounds right. sink or swim the way they did with vey.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Likely headed State-side per Friedman's reports earlier this month. Wonder who the taker would be.

it would be amazing if they unload this contract without taking on an equally bad one or shedding a major asset.

 

[VancouverJagger]

i wouldn't do it. Eriksson can at least play as a 3rd liner.

Lucic is essentially a 4th line LW at this point for 6 million. On paper i could handle it for a 2nd in next years draft but the thing is Milan would get eaten alive by the city and it wouldn't be a healthy thing for anyone

Yeah I don't think it's ideal either and if I had to choose I would probably avoid it. I do think though that Lucic could potentially become a fan favourite were he ever here. I've always disliked playing against him but wouldn't mind having him on our team seeing as he's a real tough gorilla who doesn't mind beating people up once in a while......

 

[sting101]

this sounds right. sink or swim the way they did with vey.

It really is.

No more excuses. No more couldn't get ideal offensive situations bullshit.

All that sheltetered ice time Vanek and the Sedins got is available. 2nd line PP etc. It's actually a perfect scenario on many fronts.

1. The players get a chance they may never have again to assert themselves and produce.
2. The Coaching and management get to evaluate them in ideal situations.
3. If they bomb they can stop wasting time and move on
4. potential that players can have inflated production years which may increase their value in deals
5 Travis Green has carte blanche to play people based on merit not some previously agreed upon contract stipulation

 

[krutovsdonut]

oh wait, people think we might get lucic?

ouch.

 

[EpochLink]

Lucic would rather play in the States, the pressure of Canada is getting to him.

 

[krutovsdonut]

so lucic would mean another year of term compared to louie. short term he checks some boxes for us, but long term louie is a lot less pain to park on a third line.

he'd be 35 when the deal is done, and there's no way he stays in the league that long. there's no meaningful cap relief from buying him out the way the deal is structured. you'd basically have to pray for a buyout window under the cba.

i am going to pray his skating keeps him away from the new look canucks.

 

[MS]

It really is.

No more excuses. No more couldn't get ideal offensive situations bull****.

All that sheltetered ice time Vanek and the Sedins got is available. 2nd line PP etc. It's actually a perfect scenario on many fronts.

1. The players get a chance they may never have again to assert themselves and produce.
2. The Coaching and management get to evaluate them in ideal situations.
3. If they bomb they can stop wasting time and move on
4. potential that players can have inflated production years which may increase their value in deals
5 Travis Green has carte blanche to play people based on merit not some previously agreed upon contract stipulation

Problem is that a bunch of those guys have already sank and we're still trying to strap lifejackets to them.

 

[Serac]

You definitely need to lay off the sauce then as you did most assuredly say that. (It must have been a moment of weakness although you know what they say - drunk people say what sober people think). The last trade deadline? I totally disagree - I think Leipsic has the opportunity of being a very serviceable player for us. Not thrilled on the Vanek deal however we have to take Jimbo at his word that picks weren't available in which case it's not great but certainly not a D. So between the B and C grades for both of those deals that averages out to a C+................Right around where you recently graded him........

Why do we have to take Benning's word that picks weren't available ? Picks were available during the trade deadline and before it.

Wingels for a conditional 5th (is now a 4th). Morrow for a 4th. Maroon for a 3rd and low-end prospect. Reilly for a 5th. Cole got a 3rd and an ahl player when everyone knew the Senators had to move him. Letestu for a 4th. Davidson for a 3rd. Lindberg for a 4th and a roster player. Vatrano for a 3rd. Holden for a 3rd and bad roster player. Kempny for a 3rd. Mrazek for a conditional 3rd and 4th.

All of these trades happened within the week of the trade deadline. How exactly were there no picks available ? Not sure you're one to tell someone to lay off the sauce.

 

[FroshaugFan2]

Why do we have to take Benning's word that picks weren't available ? Picks were available during the trade deadline and before it.

Wingels for a conditional 5th (is now a 4th). Morrow for a 4th. Maroon for a 3rd and low-end prospect. Reilly for a 5th. Cole got a 3rd and an ahl player when everyone knew the Senators had to move him. Letestu for a 4th. Davidson for a 3rd. Lindberg got a for and a roster player. Vatrano for a 3rd. Holden for a 3rd and bad roster player. Kempny for a 3rd. Mrazek for a conditional 3rd and 4th.

All of these trades happened within a week of the trade deadline. How exactly were there no picks available ? Not sure you're one to tell someone to lay off the sauce.

Also, was Motte worth less than a 2021 7th rounder to Columbus?

I knew he wasn't a great prospect, but damn I didn't think he was that bad.

 

[Peter10]

Why do we have to take Benning's word that picks weren't available ?

Isnt that obvious? Benning always speaks the truth.

 

[THE Green Man]

I'd be alright with Duclair or Rieder. They could be decent middle six players that wouldn't break the bank or warrant a multi-year deal. They're safe signings for a rebuilding team. Could go the way of Burmistrov, but who cares about that small of a risk.

Stastny, Green, de Haan, and Riley Nash would be decent targets if they're aiming for the playoffs.

Is everyone thinking they will roll with Markstrom-Nilsson again? I wouldn't oppose dumping Nilsson and throwing in a short-term offer for Lehner or Hutton, maybe Mrazek if we're desperate. It would be change for the sake of change - it's hard to know how good/bad our goalies are with that defence in front of them.

If Nilsson is dumped it's to let Demko play the backup- there's no way we are in the UFA goalie market this year.

I was on board with bringing Spezza here earlier, but not anymore. There are options out there that could be better such as Rask out of Carolina or Johnson out of TBay. Money is going to shift between teams. The Canucks are positioned well to take advantage. Spezza is not a priority they should be seeking out.

The difference though is that Johnson would take quite a bit to acquire and Rask is still a postive value asset. Spezza on the other hand if he were willing to waive, is a negative asset at that full cap hit- worst case scenario is that we'd be dumping a MDZ/Hutton back the other way.

Earlier someone brought up Filpula (sp?) and I like that more than Nash. He has played top 6 centre before and can play wing- can also PK. Him on a 1 maybe 2 year deal I'd like a lot more than Nash on the 3 year I am expecting.

 

[VibinCanuck]

It's strange how Gagner was signed for the purpose to be a Centre option if the Sedins retired and isn't seen as the solution in the short term.

His most productive period as a Canuck was the time Gagner played centre with Vanek and Boeser. He seems more fit for that position than on the wing.

 

[VanJack]

Hmm...Benning loves his failed first-round draft picks from yesteryear....and Nail Yakupov is set to be a UFA once again.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Hmm...Benning loves his failed first-round draft picks from yesteryear....and Nail Yakupov is set to be a UFA once again.

Why would he be interested in an ex-prospect that can’t skate?

 

[VancouverJagger]

Why do we have to take Benning's word that picks weren't available ? Picks were available during the trade deadline and before it.

Wingels for a conditional 5th (is now a 4th). Morrow for a 4th. Maroon for a 3rd and low-end prospect. Reilly for a 5th. Cole got a 3rd and an ahl player when everyone knew the Senators had to move him. Letestu for a 4th. Davidson for a 3rd. Lindberg for a 4th and a roster player. Vatrano for a 3rd. Holden for a 3rd and bad roster player. Kempny for a 3rd. Mrazek for a conditional 3rd and 4th.

All of these trades happened within the week of the trade deadline. How exactly were there no picks available ? Not sure you're one to tell someone to lay off the sauce.

And how do you know that picks were available to Benning? According to him no picks were offered to him - so now I guess Jim is lying.......Okkkkkkk then.........We could go around in circles on this forever - I rather doubt either of us is going to definitively prove their point - but hey - feel free to continue trying.

 

[absolute garbage]

It's important to remember that it's 2018. It's not 2016 anymore, let alone 2014. Everyone now knows this team is a tire fire. In 2016 it was possible for someone clueless who didn't know what was going on with the team to think that the team just had a rough year and was going to bounce back. Hell, Benning did that himself. That's no longer the case, especially with Sedins gone (most of the league will probably struggle to name more than 5 players on this team).

This team is going to have a lot of trouble attracting anyone. I feel that even a semi-useless 4th liner like Reaves who is 31 and about to fall off the face of the earth in a year or two is going to avoid this team unless Benning throws him a Dorsett-like contract and other teams are only offering half of that. But those other teams have a lot of room too this summer.

Of course this is a blessing in disguise. The fact that someone like Bozak doesn't even give Jimbo the chance to screw up is a plus for the Canucks. Can't wait until this team starts to show promise and get some attention around the league again, so Benning can start signing crippling contracts again.

 

[FroshaugFan2]

And how do you know that picks were available to Benning? According to him no picks were offered to him - so now I guess Jim is lying.......Okkkkkkk then.........We could go around in circles on this forever - I rather doubt either of us is going to definitively prove their point - but hey - feel free to continue trying.

Bollig + Grosenick returned a 6th round pick and both of them are AHLers. Eric Fehr returned a 7th round pick after being a cap dump the previous season and playing most of the year in the AHL.

So according to Benning the Canucks roster players are worth less than cap dumps and AHLers? What a worthless roster he assembled.

 

[tantalum]

We already signed our C for Pettersson......his name is Markus GRANLUND.

its time that all these tweeners feet get put to the fire. Put up or go away. We dont need 23-25yr old players that cant be effective NHLers and need sheltering

Granlund Leipsic Baertschi Goldobin Gaunce Motte Virtanen Pouliot Stecher Hutton need lots of ice time and if they cant handle it it's time to send them elsewhere.

The viewpoint is valid. The issue I have with it is that for half those guys on the list I've already seen enough to know it's time to send them elsewhere. They should have already had their put up or shut up moment. That's my problem with the lack of roster churn. I think you can let the kids play (the ones you actually want to play) and still make some unassuming signings/deals that serve to strengthen the team now and for the next few years.