GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[CanaFan]

I guess someone should have explained to Trev the “bad deals” people are talking about aren’t just signing bad contracts on July 1.

 

[CanaFan]

Who were we actually unable to ship out of town?

Kessler burrows Hansen Bieksa garrison all were traded hamhuis should have been. Higgins?

And then there’s Tanev who they could have traded for a significant package 2-3 years ago but refused to.

Edler might be the only untradeable asset of the bunch.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Looks like we have an NHL insider here.

Looks like we have a douche here. Pretend you were anything other than a keyboard warrior without anything better to do on our Nations birthday. If you had the option of signing for a contender or the worst team in the league for the same contract what would you do? One doesn’t have to be an insider to know a player would choose the Jackets. Imo of course

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Looks like we should prepare for a flood of shot attempts on the Canucks net whenever Beagle gets sent out on the penalty kill.

Among centres who played at least 150 PK minutes last season, Beagle ranks 27/27 in terms of shot attempts/60, and 26/27 in terms of unblocked shot attempts/60.

At least this should help #LoseForHughes2019, I suppose...

... Are the "Shot Attempts/60" and the "unblocked shot attempts" for those 27 players in all situations or just on the PK?
Because ... well duh then.

Also interesting Beagle, Schaller and Sutter are all in that group of 27 (looks like 26 to me) centers who played over 150 short handed mins.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Which would have been fine.....

Unless they wanted those players on the team... (which is kind of the point of signing players...)

 

[Jack Burton]

Just watch...Our PK will probably get worse next season

 

[pgj98m3]

Unless they wanted those players on the team... (which is kind of the point of signing players...)

Except overpaying when you aren't even trying to make the playoffs is beyond stupid..........

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Except overpaying when you aren't even trying to make the playoffs is beyond stupid..........

Not when the overpay is minuscule and the goal is to develop the youth with vets.

Unless you can point to somewhere else that money should be going it isn't relevant.

 

[docbenton]

Happen to like these players, I wouldn't be worried about any of this except for the whole Luongo cap recapture thing...would be nice to keep more of a buffer. Hope they remember that they might randomly be down 4-8.5 million in cap space for 1-2 years.

 

[krutovsdonut]

You suspect Nash would have taken the same to be on a garbage team? You are a dreamer! Also, he sucks! It would be foolish to overpay for a plug coming off a career year playing w all stars. Not defending the Canucks signings At all but get real

i think it's pretty clear either nash blew us off or we liked roussel and nash better. no way would he not be a canuck if he was offered what the other two were offered. just on term alone he'd be a complete idiot to go to the blue jackets and pass up $3 million at 33.

 

[pgj98m3]

Not when the overpay is minuscule and the goal is to develop the youth with vets.

Unless you can point to somewhere else that money should be going it isn't relevant.

I don't know......pucks, massages, credits at the Roxy...anything but bad long term bad contracts.

 

[Slapshot_11]

Happen to like these players, I wouldn't be worried about any of this except for the whole Luongo cap recapture thing...would be nice to keep more of a buffer. Hope they remember that they might randomly be down 4-8.5 million in cap space for 1-2 years.

they have no clue about it

 

[forty47seven]

I'm okay with the Roussel signing. It's a year too long and 0.5M over value but he's probably going to rebound next year and there's at least a chance he's productive the length of the contract. At 28, he's still smack dab in the middle of his prime. He played in a Hitchcock system last year and saw his ice time/role reduced. He brings a much need element to this team that I'm sure Green will reward him for. He's a gamble to work out in year four but not a unreasonable one; it's probably 50-50.

The Beagle signing is indefensibly bad. You should never give a 32+ year old career bottom six center a three year contract, let alone four. There's a very good chance the Canucks get less than two seasons of advertised play out of this guy. The vast majority of players see a measurable drop in production around their 32-34 birthday. The history books are littered with examples middle six centers who fell off a cliff around that age. Guys like Horcoff, Ott, Talbot, Laich, McClement, Stajan, Ricci, Stoll, Gaustad, ect. went from solid/passable 3's to passable 4's or worse. There are obviously exceptions that play at their peaks into their mid thirties but that's uncommon. This is a contract that is all but certain to be a buy out/bury by year four.

 

[MS]

No, I think Gaunce, Dowd, Motte, and Archibald had that pretty well covered. Not sure why our entire July 1 focus had to be on “fixing” the least important line on the team.

Our 3rd line and bottom 6 was actually our biggest (and only) strength in the back half of last season. Literally the one thing that didn't need fixing was the thing that Benning decided to blow up.

If Roussel can help prevent Hughes and Pettersson from being run over time and time again he'll have earned his contract.

Roussel is the biggest rat/escalator in the league whose antics will likely cause our skill players to be run more, not less.

 

[Ace of Hades]

I think I might hate Roussell more than I hated Cooke. Never thought it would be possible but here we are.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I think I might hate Roussell more than I hated Cooke. Never thought it would be possible but here we are.

How is that possible?

 

[Ace of Hades]

How is that possible?

He has literally the same level of qualities. Also has shown to back down a lot in fights these days. Atleast Cooke scored an important goal for us in '04 and never had a shitty long term deal contract.

 

[DonnyNucker]

He has literally the same level of qualities. Also has shown to back down a lot in fights these days. Atleast Cooke scored an important goal for us in '04 and never had a ****ty long term deal contract.

Roussel has Sutter sized balls next to Cooke. He is a rat but they aren’t in the same league

 

[CanaFan]

Looks like we have a *****e here. Pretend you were anything other than a keyboard warrior without anything better to do on our Nations birthday. If you had the option of signing for a contender or the worst team in the league for the same contract what would you do? One doesn’t have to be an insider to know a player would choose the Jackets. Imo of course

And a fine opinion it is, so long as you can refrain from passing it off as fact.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Roussel has Sutter sized balls next to Cooke. He is a rat but they aren’t in the same league

They belong in the same level of gutter filth. Its like arguing which crap stinks less.

 

[Hit the post]

Eriksson is unmovable. Who would want Gagner? MDZ? Gudbranson? I don't really see us trading any of these guys away.

Sutter has value if you eat some of his salary. Problem is, he's got a limited NTC.....blame Gillis.

 

[CanaFan]

Some common sense from the Athletic:

Something Sadly Predictable
At some point, the Vancouver Canucks will be good again. It is more or less the natural cycle of life in the NHL, even if the Canucks have sunk to the very bottom of the food chain at this moment in time. Sunday reinforced just how far this team has fallen, as the Canucks spent wildly on two players who will likely combine for fewer than 15 goals this season. First, let’s make it clear that we think the world of Jay Beagle, who signed a four-year deal with a $3 million annual cap hit after spending his entire career with Washington. He’s a good, honest, self-made NHLer who scored seven times last season. And we are very fond of Antoine Roussel, who annoys people around the league but was much loved in Dallas, where he, likewise, basically willed himself to be an NHLer. But Roussel, who signed an identical four-year, $12 million deal, didn’t score a goal for Dallas after Dec. 23 last season, finishing with five goals, and has a penchant for taking undisciplined penalties. There likely isn’t a player in the NHL who gets less of the benefit of the doubt from officials. Apparently, Vancouver GM Jim Benning expects the Canucks to take lots of penalties because he did acquire two excellent penalty killers, but it just seems like the kinds of moves that a contending team would make to fill in around the edges, not additions that become the centerpiece of your day in the free agency sun

 

[TruKnyte]

Sutter has value if you eat some of his salary. Problem is, he's got a limited NTC.....blame Gillis.

Wait what? Is this missing a /s?

 

[RandV]

Sutter has value if you eat some of his salary. Problem is, he's got a limited NTC.....blame Gillis.

You shouldn't need to eat any cap on Sutter, he'd have value right now and you could probably get a reasonable price... but Benning would have to actually want to trade him.

All the top centers that were going to be moved or signed have done so already. The best guys left on the market are probably Stajan, Colborne, Richardson, Letetsu, Vermette, and so on. Well there's Joe Thornton too, but if he's going to keep playing he'll probably just stick with San Jose.

Point is center isn't a position you want to skimp on and if you're a team that still needs one, like say Anaheim if Kesler is done, if Sutter were put up he'd probably be the best bet available so teams would pay. Problem is of course with Benning in charge there's no way he's available.

 

[MS]

Some common sense from the Athletic:

Jeez, I knew Roussel was bad last year but didn't realize he finished the year on a 43-game goalless drought. 0-6-6 over that span.