GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[Zombotron]

Wait what? Is this missing a /s?

You're implying @Hit the post doesn't speak in sarcasm 100% of the time

 

[I in the Eye]

Some common sense from the Athletic:

Yup... There is a time and a place to acquire these two players. They are great for playoff hockey when looking to wear the other team down over a series, and when the refs call less penalties. We're not at the time, nor the place, to utilize their potential . Of those 10 teams that were interested, I wonder how many were playoff-challenging teams... I'd guess most if not all of them. What's next... As a bottom feeder, paying a draft pick at the trade deadline for an end-of-season rental?

This reminds me of when the Oilers got Hordichuk and Eager to "protect the kids". It's old hockey mentality that sounds honorable, and seems reasonable, but doesn't work nor help with winning. It's feel good ol' timer bullshit. A killer power play is the best way to protect the kids (and minimize on-ice stupid, in general).

In the end, if the kids need protecting, they shouldn't be in the league... they must be able to handle their own, and play despite and above the bullshit, to be NHL players. Obviously, when a cheap shot occurs, need a response (tit for tat, game theory)... but $3+ million over 4 years, overkill and silly. Archibald and Gaunce (and others already here) could play the role of "responders"... at no additional $ or long term contracts. When I think of all the problems of the Canucks, 4th line players is very low on the list.

 

[Hit the post]

You shouldn't need to eat any cap on Sutter, he'd have value right now and you could probably get a reasonable price... but Benning would have to actually want to trade him.

All the top centers that were going to be moved or signed have done so already. The best guys left on the market are probably Stajan, Colborne, Richardson, Letetsu, Vermette, and so on. Well there's Joe Thornton too, but if he's going to keep playing he'll probably just stick with San Jose.

Point is center isn't a position you want to skimp on and if you're a team that still needs one, like say Anaheim if Kesler is done, if Sutter were put up he'd probably be the best bet available so teams would pay. Problem is of course with Benning in charge there's no way he's available.

Yeah maybe I’m underrating him a bit (though I did say he had value)

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Yup... There is a time and a place to acquire these two players. They are great for playoff hockey when looking to wear the other team down over a series, and when the refs call less penalties. We're not at the time, nor the place. Of those 10 teams that were interested, I wonder how many were playoff-challenging teams... I'd guess most if not all of them.

This reminds me of when the Oilers got Hordichuk and Eager to "protect the kids". It's old hockey mentality that sounds honorable, and seems reasonable, but doesn't work nor help with winning. It's feel good bull****. A killer power play is the best way to protect the kids (and minimize on-ice stupid, in general).

In the end, if the kids need protecting, they shouldn't be in the league... they must be able to handle their own, and play despite and above the bull****, to be NHL players. Obviously, when a cheap shot occurs, need a response (tit for tat, game theory)... but $3+ million over 4 years, overkill and silly. Archibald and Gaunce (and many others already here) could play the role of "responders".

Hordi and Eager are nowhere near the players these two are. These guys average around 30 points the last 4 years and are very well respected Pk/faceoff guys around the league.
The potential to add 60 points and be one of the best Faceoff/penalty killing teams in the league is well worth the contracts.

 

[racerjoe]

Not when the overpay is minuscule and the goal is to develop the youth with vets.

Unless you can point to somewhere else that money should be going it isn't relevant.

Dude, I saw your “lineup” early but in reality where is this youth playing?

We have
Bae Horvat Boeser
Eriksson Sutter Granlund
Lipsiec Gagne motte
Schaller beagle Roussel

Not accounting for Archibald Gaunce virtanen, or any rookie forward to mentor.

 

[CanaFan]

Hordi and Eager are nowhere near the players these two are. These guys average around 30 points the last 4 years and are very well respected Pk/faceoff guys around the league.
The potential to add 60 points and be one of the best Faceoff/penalty killing teams in the league is well worth the contracts.

Beagle has hit 30 pts once. Roussel has never hit 30. They will absolutely not be “adding 60 points” to our team. That said, yes they are better players than Hordichuk and Eager.

 

[Hit the post]

Beagle has hit 30 pts once. Roussel has never hit 30.

Don’t confuse Ryan Miller with facts.

 

[I in the Eye]

Hordi and Eager are nowhere near the players these two are. These guys average around 30 points the last 4 years and are very well respected Pk/faceoff guys around the league.
The potential to add 60 points and be one of the best Faceoff/penalty killing teams in the league is well worth the contracts.

Both Hordi and Eager were acquired to "protect the youth". These players were acquired to "protect the youth". I'm not saying which tandem was better. I'm saying it was a similar approach to "team building". There is no need to acquire anyone to protect the youth.

The Canucks aren't going to be one of the best faceoff / penalty killing teams in the league. The Canucks are going to challenge for bottom of the NHL in every category, including total player points - which takes into account the 20-30 these two add to it.

 

[Hit the post]

The Canucks aren't going to be one of the penalty killing teams in the league

Not with the current goalie tandem & only two legit top 4 D.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

What a bipolar fan base we have here in Vancouver.
Clearly we can’t handle a rebuild around these neck of the woods.

 

[Nuckles]

What a bipolar fan base we have here in Vancouver.
Clearly we can’t handle a rebuild around these neck of the woods.

What rebuild? This fanbase has been begging for an actual rebuild for quite some time now.

 

[I in the Eye]

What a bipolar fan base we have here in Vancouver.
Clearly we can’t handle a rebuild around these neck of the woods.

I'm an impatient person, I hate losing.


That's Benning's quote, by the way. The problem is that Benning can't handle a rebuild. We can handle it... 4 years of bullshit, and we're still here.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

The team has replaced Daniel, Henrik, and Vanek with Roussel, Beagle, and Schaller, none of whom has the skill to play with and help develop any of the incoming younger players. In the short term, the Canucks would have been better off doing absolutely nothing.

not exactly true. bad players playing lower in the lineup than makes sense for their “skill” sets—eriksson, gagner, and one of sutter or granlund—were earmarked to move up the lineup and stink up the open depth chart spots vacated by the sedins and vanek. it’s those players that would be holding back our incoming young players, by literally blocking their way into the lineup.

and so it’s the younger, cost-controlled, and possibly still developing players in the same roles as our new guys—virtanen, gaunce, leipsic—that are being screwed by today’s insanity, as they all now all seemingly have no place on this team.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

not exactly true. bad players playing lower in the lineup than makes sense for their “skill” sets—eriksson, gagner, and one of sutter or granlund—were earmarked to move up the lineup and stink up the open depth chart spots vacated by the sedins and vanek. it’s those players that would be holding back our incoming young players, by literally blocking their way into the lineup.

and so it’s the younger, cost-controlled, and possibly still developing players in the same roles as our new guys—virtanen, gaunce, leipsic—that are being screwed by today’s insanity, as they all now all seemingly have no place on this team.

That’s what happens when you don’t perform in the workplace. You get demoted or replaced.

 

[cabinessence]

Sounds like a perfect fit with the Jimbo Canucks win/loss record.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Anyone think we're still not done, with free agents like Duclair still out there? I don't think Benning would want Hansen back given he was not only a Gillis guy, but also a Nonis guy.

 

[MS]

What a bipolar fan base we have here in Vancouver.
Clearly we can’t handle a rebuild around these neck of the woods.

Are you serious?

People are pissed because we *arent* rebuilding. We have like 15 veteran forwards and 8 veteran defenders under contract and no room to play any kids. All we're doing is blocking off our young talent with old overpaid crap.

The only way this team is going to turn things around is when we do what Colorado and NJ did last year and clear out the old, slow, useless junk and play the kids and get faster and more skilled. But we're doing the exact opposite.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Guys I'm hearing as part of their contract Vancouver has to implement prima nocta laws and Roussel and Beagle get to f*** all your girlfriends. That's just the market rate for character forwards, you should feel lucky that all this grit and leadership is going to get spread to your families.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Anyone think we're still not done, with free agents like Duclair still out there? I don't think Benning would want Hansen back given he was not only a Gillis guy, but also a Nonis guy.

In a perfect world,we only sign a guy like Hansen for cheap to short term for familiarity reasons and being a good addition to the bottom 6, of which he will be an upgrade over Granlund, Gagner, etc and call it a day.

The Great Dane didn't have the best of seasons, but I'm sure he will bounce back, as he was treated unfairly by DeBoer.

 

[MS]

That’s what happens when you don’t perform in the workplace. You get demoted or replaced.

The guys getting demoted or replaced are the ones who actually played well and out-performed their contracts last year, while junk like Granlund/Gagner/Pouliot/Gudbransen get big raises and keep getting rolled out there.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Are you serious?

People are pissed because we *arent* rebuilding. We have like 15 veteran forwards and 8 veteran defenders under contract and no room to play any kids. All we're doing is blocking off our young talent with old overpaid crap.

The only way this team is going to turn things around is when we do what Colorado and NJ did last year and clear out the old, slow, useless junk and play the kids and get faster and more skilled. But we're doing the exact opposite.

Who’s ready to make the jump though?
Pettersson at 170 lbs?
Hughes?
Dahlen and Juolevi maybe along with Gaudette.
I can see all three making the team with the signings still.

 

[me2]

Yup... There is a time and a place to acquire these two players. They are great for playoff hockey when looking to wear the other team down over a series, and when the refs call less penalties. We're not at the time, nor the place, to utilize their potential . Of those 10 teams that were interested, I wonder how many were playoff-challenging teams... I'd guess most if not all of them. What's next... As a bottom feeder, paying a draft pick at the trade deadline for an end-of-season rental?

This reminds me of when the Oilers got Hordichuk and Eager to "protect the kids". It's old hockey mentality that sounds honorable, and seems reasonable, but doesn't work nor help with winning. It's feel good ol' timer bull****. A killer power play is the best way to protect the kids (and minimize on-ice stupid, in general).

The problem is these guys aren't even "protectors" or "deterrents". In Beagle's last regular season fight (all the way back to 2011) he was carried off the ice after being KO'd. Roussel mostly fights because he's a pest who fights his own fights not protecting others.

 

[MS]

not exactly true. bad players playing lower in the lineup than makes sense for their “skill” sets—eriksson, gagner, and one of sutter or granlund—were earmarked to move up the lineup and stink up the open depth chart spots vacated by the sedins and vanek. it’s those players that would be holding back our incoming young players, by literally blocking their way into the lineup.

and so it’s the younger, cost-controlled, and possibly still developing players in the same roles as our new guys—virtanen, gaunce, leipsic—that are being screwed by today’s insanity, as they all now all seemingly have no place on this team.

Exactly.

We had 4 guys - Virtanen, Gaunce, Archibald, and Leipsic - who are young and cheap exceeded expectations last year and performed well in top-9 minutes. Gaunce and Archibald formed 2/3 of an excellent #3 line to close out the season.

These are guys the organization should be growing and building the bottom-6 around but instead we're blowing 30 million on old crap from other teams. It's just idiotic.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

The guys getting demoted or replaced are the ones who actually played well and out-performed their contracts last year, while junk like Granlund/Gagner/Pouliot/Gudbransen get big raises and keep getting rolled out there.

Granlund has a 19 goal season under his belt.
Gagner I’m pretty sure has gotten more points in one game then Gaunce has in his career.
Pouliot I agree but Juolevi is having back surgery so might be another year (he only signed for a year)
Gudbranson was the next Captain of the Panthers supposibly.
Pretty good pedigree to play in any lineup

 

[MS]

Who’s ready to make the jump though?
Pettersson at 170 lbs?
Hughes?
Dahlen and Juolevi maybe along with Gaudette.
I can see all three making the team with the signings still.

Pettersson, Dahlen, and Gaudette should all be on the team with solid camps. Pettersson should be pretty much a dead lock. Plus Gaunce/Virtanen/Leipsic should be growing into larger roles.