GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

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Granlund has a 19 goal season under his belt.
Gagner I’m pretty sure has gotten more points in one game then Gaunce has in his career.
Pouliot I agree but Juolevi is having back surgery so might be another year (he only signed for a year)
Gudbranson was the next Captain of the Panthers supposibly.
Pretty good pedigree to play in any lineup

You mean the same Granlund who was force fed PP time with the Twins and given maximum amount of offensive zone time? I'm pretty sure any average tweener can accumulate that many goals given the favorable amount of time to produce and the linemates said tweener benefitted from.

Try harder.
 
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Granlund has a 19 goal season under his belt.
Gagner I’m pretty sure has gotten more points in one game then Gaunce has in his career.
Pouliot I agree but Juolevi is having back surgery so might be another year (he only signed for a year)
Gudbranson was the next Captain of the Panthers supposibly.
Pretty good pedigree to play in any lineup

All four of those guys suck, are slugs, and wouldn't be out of place in the AHL. Replacement-level trash. Period.
 
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I agree he can have a similar
Pettersson, Dahlen, and Gaudette should all be on the team with solid camps. Pettersson should be pretty much a dead lock. Plus Gaunce/Virtanen/Leipsic should be growing into larger roles.

Pettersson is one collision away from derailing his career for life at 170lbs.
Ask Ryan Nugent-Hopkins how his separated shoulder effected his career in his first season where he was overwhelmed physically.
 
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All four of those guys suck, are slugs, and wouldn't be out of place in the AHL. Replacement-level trash. Period.

So are the four you quoted. All AHL pedigree to this point in their careers.
One has a career height of 18 or 19 points in a full season of the AHL
 
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You mean the same Granlund who was force fed PP time with the Twins and given maximum amount of offensive zone time? I'm pretty sure any average tweener can accumulate that many goals given the favorable amount of time to produce and the linemates said tweener benefitted from.

Try harder.

The slow I hope they retire Sedins?
So you’re saying given a opportunity he flourished?
Interesting
 
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So are the four you quoted. All AHL pedigree to this point in their careers.
One has a career height of 18 or 19 points in a full season of the AHL

Gaunce and Archibald closed out last season on a #3 checking line that was getting literally the toughest minutes in the NHL and generated outstanding results. They performed. And doubly so when you compare it to their salary.

Virtanen turned his career around, changed his game and became a solid ES scorer and our best forward on multiple nights in the 2nd half.

Leipsic came over, looked talented, and produced.

All 4 might not hold on to what they showed last year but this team isn't making the playoffs either way and should be seeing what we have and developing guys like this, not shoving old proven crap down fans' throats.

We've seen enough of those other guys. They suck. All should have been fired out of a cannon.
 

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The slow I hope they retire Sedins?
So you’re saying given a opportunity he flourished?
Interesting

Your statement is grammatically incorrect.

Yeah he was given an opportunity and he wasn't exactly impressive with it given the amount of offensive zone time/linemates he benefitted from. Any average tweener can put up around 20 if they were given the same opportunies Granlund did. Hence what Granlund did was not impressive, and shows he's not exactly important enough to keep.

He had a terrible season last season where he was outplayed by someone like Archibald

Unfortunately our GM is stupid enough to grant him more money just to keep him. A fringe third liner player who sucked and was outplayed by a 4th liner had the leverage to be granted more money to his contract. Imagine that ridiculousness. This is another countless dozens of times where Benning sucks at negotiating. (amongst other shit).

Granlund is a waste of a roster spot that should be given to younger players.
 
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I laugh at the guys arguing they should ice Chaput, Megna, Dowd and Gaunce over the three players signed today.
In case you don’t remember those are the players we are actually replacing from last two years.
 

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I laugh at the guys arguing they should ice Chaput, Megna, Dowd and Gaunce over the three players signed today.
In case you don’t remember those are the players we are actually replacing from last two years.

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Gaunce and Archibald closed out last season on a #3 checking line that was getting literally the toughest minutes in the NHL and generated outstanding results. They performed. And doubly so when you compare it to their salary.

Virtanen turned his career around, changed his game and became a solid ES scorer and our best forward on multiple nights in the 2nd half.

Leipsic came over, looked talented, and produced.

All 4 might not hold on to what they showed last year but this team isn't making the playoffs either way and should be seeing what we have and developing guys like this, not shoving old proven crap down fans' throats.

We've seen enough of those other guys. They suck. All should have been fired out of a cannon.
Virtanen will not be on the fourth line he will play third and up so that point is moot as he will be there.
Leipsic/Gaunce/Archibald will have to battle and earn his spot and if they do they will be on the team. If they aren’t they will be flipped for pics and if they can’t get picks they have zero value around the league and are considered redundant at that point and dime a dozen.
 

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Gaunce and Archibald closed out last season on a #3 checking line that was getting literally the toughest minutes in the NHL and generated outstanding results. They performed. And doubly so when you compare it to their salary.

Virtanen turned his career around, changed his game and became a solid ES scorer and our best forward on multiple nights in the 2nd half.

Leipsic came over, looked talented, and produced.

All 4 might not hold on to what they showed last year but this team isn't making the playoffs either way and should be seeing what we have and developing guys like this, not shoving old proven crap down fans' throats.

We've seen enough of those other guys. They suck. All should have been fired out of a cannon.

So depressing.

You wish you could wake up July 2 and none of it ever happened. One bad signing day by a bad GM and we are stuck with more marginal veterans for 4 years.

f***ing bad enough we have to watch the pathetic effort of Loui Eriksson for 4 more years.
 
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How are Johnny Gaudreau and Mitch Marner doing?

Gaudreau who was like 22/23 when entered into the NHL?
Marner who has to play most of the year with Matt Martin on a line? Marner is insolated and he had vets like Marleau/Martin/Komarov etc. Veterans kind of like what we went out today and grabbed.
 

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I can kind of see how this might work in that we do still need "hard working" grinder vets to go out there and mostly get their face kicked in most nights, while still working hard, setting an example, and clinging to somewhat closer games. You're not going to play "fun, exciting, barn burner hockey" with a team at this stage in a rebuild. The horses aren't there, and it mostly just becomes getting blown out every night. This is a bit like what the Leafs did while they were "tanking out". Filling the roster with veteran grit and fluff and filler and just trying to eek out some "close" losses with an honest effort and basically just be the hockey equivalent of a punching bag.

Problem is, it's different in one key aspect. Term. You have to keep the term on these deals under control so you're flexible enough to pivot whenever it happens that your young players do start to take that step and produce the fun, exciting, skilled hockey that really wins games in the NHL. Development of these young players can be very sudden. 4 Year term just sucks so hard, and is completely the wrong thing for this team right now.


With Beagle it's especially frustrating because on top of the term, he's not what we really needed to field a reasonably structured team in the first place. He's a worse version of what we already have in Sutter. When what we actually needed, was a Center with at least some semblance of the offensive instincts and vision to play up the lineup with younger skilled players. Even if it was obviously not going to be a "good" Top-6C here, or any kind of long-term answer...if you're going to spend on a UFA, it should've been someone who can at least play with skilled players and give us some semblance of a "2nd scoring line" behind whoever gets to play on Bo's wings.

Roussel might have even been a pretty decent signing (if not for the excessive term) in that he could be that perfect fit on Sutter's wing with a dedicated "checking unit". Something that can take some pressure off by eating all the ugliest defensive minutes and PK time, etc. But it's twice as much term as you'd want for that...and it's just made all that much worse when combined with the Beagle contract that just isn't necessary.


The way things are right now...barring a notable trade, it's like they've essentially relegated 2 entire lines to "defensive duties". Which in turn means they've more or less either penned Gaudette in as the "#2 offensive Center"...or they're thinking if they load Sutter and Beagle lines up with almost exclusively DZone starts all year, they can put Sam Gagner in the middle of an insanely soft minutes pure offensive line (a la Cody Hodgson here) with the young skilled wingers like Pettersson/Dahlen/Goldy. Playing with almost exclusively favourable offensive zone starts. Which seems unlikely in the real world where matchups aren't nearly so consistent, especially with Green at the helm.

It could almost kinda work if we'd signed these old grinders to shorter term deals...but if we're still relegating 2 entire lines to Sutter and Beagle in 4 years...that'll be a sign we're in Oilers "rebuilding the rebuild" territory.
 

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we’re f***ed.

The Roussel contract is bad cause of the NTC but every aspect of the Beagle contract is awful.

f*** Benning.
 

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These signings will cost us one or both of Leipsic and Goldobin on waivers. Of course, Benning won't think to trade them as that's just out of his realm of understanding.
 

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I laugh at the guys arguing they should ice Chaput, Megna, Dowd and Gaunce over the three players signed today.
In case you don’t remember those are the players we are actually replacing from last two years.
But instead of replacing them with other 4th liners maybe Benning should try and replace them with good or young players. No one is saying that we should ice Chaput, Down or Megna. I just dont think replacing them with Roussel, Beagle and Shaller is a good idea. This team has no talent, thats why guys like Goldobin, Pettersson and Gaudette should replace those guys.

If Benning wanted to add bottom 6 grit he should replace the soft bottom six players in Granlund, Gagner and Sutter. Or if he wanted to insulate the youth he could have try to overpay guys like Stasny and Neal instead, you know guys who can score more than 30 pts and not be useless.
 

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I like all these signings.

The CAP keeps going up and these are the types of players that give your team character and direction for all the young talent we have coming up.
I disagree with the idea that we should be penciling in young, unproven players on our roster. That never helps development for a young roster. Also, there will be a myriad of injuries to deal with as the season progresses. We need NHL depth. Sure, Leipsic had flashes of great offensive play, but hes also a tire fire in the neutral zone with turnovers. We can't just gift these players ice time - there will be lots of opportunities for our young talent to make an impact. Insulating that talent with veteran role players goes a long way for development.

No one is expecting huge seasons from these guys, but try to understand that their presence isnt only paid for on the ice.
 
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But instead of replacing them with other 4th liners maybe Benning should try and replace them with good or young players. No one is saying that we should ice Chaput, Down or Megna. I just dont think replacing them with Roussel, Beagle and Shaller is a good idea. This team has no talent, thats why guys like Goldobin, Pettersson and Gaudette should replace those guys.

If Benning wanted to add bottom 6 grit he should replace the soft bottom six players in Granlund, Gagner and Sutter. Or if he wanted to insulate the youth he could have try to overpay guys like Stasny and Neal instead, you know guys who can score more than 30 pts and not be useless.

The difference between Roussel, Beagle and Schaller from Chaput, Dowd and Megna is massive. The difference between fringe AHL on a basement team and a 4th line center on a championship caliber team is immense.

Just like how the difference between Baertschi (1LW) and Ovechkin (1LW) is laughable to even speak about. I would say the 4C is probably your 7th or 8th most valuable forward anyway you construct it, and I would argue that the usage of Vancouver's 18-19 4th line would be more akin to a 3rd line in a shutdown role, with the "3rd line" being a 3rd scoring line but getting the fourth-most ice time.

Everyone is worried about these players blocking our prospects for ice time. The prospects that Beagle, Schaller, and Rousell would be blocking are not Pettersson, Goldobin or Dahlen; they would be blocking Gaunce, Motte, and Archibald, who are in turn blocking Gaudette, Gadjovich and Lind. If Pettersson and Dahlen show that they are ready, I am confident that management will find a way to make room for them.

You can be nervous about the return of the players they'd be trading though (Gagner, Baertschi, Goldobin, Leipsic, or even Virtanen), that seems to be fair game.
 
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