GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[Cupless44]

Stop being so dramatic. Gaudette will have many opportunities to show his value. I'd be surprised If he wasn't on the opening day roster.

And big whoop about Goldobin. Guy is literally gifted minutes and only shows tiny blips of promise. His game is incomplete and hes unlikely to ever hit the projections he was originally given.

I still would rather finish the Goldobin experiment and give him one season of decent ice time to know for sure over playing stiffs like Gagner, Eriksson, Naslund, Schaller,

 

[Nuckles]

 

[ddawg1950]

Anyone hear anything about Sbisa?

Contract offer from Domino's.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Goldobin is finshed as a Canuck, after these signings. Literally no room for him now.

Same with Gaudette.

So you kinda just countered your own point.

I personally hope Goldobin is gone as a Canuck he seems very lazy.
Gaudette is done as a Canuck? He is a part of our core going forward and will put in the work to make the team.

 

[MS]

The two biggest rules of free agency are :

1) don't give non-elite players anything more than 1-2 year deals past age 32-33.

2) don't give 4th liners and 3rd pairing D money or term. They're minor players who are easily replaced.

Pretty much every bad UFA contract falls into these two categories, and Benning went full Pejorative Slur on both of them yesterday.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I think you missed everything in my post, Benning hasn't shown any capability in turning players into picks. He goes after age gap players that have worn out their welcome in other org's. Trading for picks doesn't fit this org's timeline to try and make the playoffs. There is no rebuild with these guys just a retool on the fly that has crapped the bed on these arrogant fools.

You are correct in what they have tried as a management team but it looks like they have been learning a bit judging by what they are saying.
You could argue that Dahlen for Burrows was better then getting a late first round pick

 

[VanJack]

I have no problem with the Schaller signing, but Beagle and Roussel now join the list that includes Eriksson, Del Zotto, Gagner, Sutter, Gudbranson and probably the goaltender Nilsson. And of course before them, it was guys like Sbisa and Dorsett. Depth players who's pay-scale ranges from 'significant' to 'obscene' overpayment.

The litmus test of any UFA contract is whether your team could trade the player and the contract if they had to. But most if not all of these players are 'untradeable' at their current pay-scales.

 

[Cupless44]

You are correct in what they have tried as a management team but it looks like they have been learning a bit judging by what they are saying.
You could argue that Dahlen for Burrows was better then getting a late first round pick

One good trade in 5 years doesn’t balance out brutal pro scouting, lots of bad trades and being the biggest loser in the NHL every free agency.

 

[Cupless44]

I have no problem with the Schaller signing, but Beagle and Roussel now join the list that includes Eriksson, Del Zotto, Gagner, Sutter, Gudbranson and probably the goaltender Nilsson. And of course before them, it was guys like Sbisa and Dorsett. Depth players who's pay-scale ranges from 'significant' to 'obscene' overpayment.

The litmus test of any UFA contract is whether your team could trade the player and the contract if they had to. But most if not all of these players are 'untradeable' at their current pay-scales.

It’s completely ridiculous. For a rebuilding team to be signing FA contracts that are unmovable and look like buyout candidates from day 1. Grossly incompetent management.

Hard to fathom that Linden and Benning learn nothing from 5 years on the job. Years of failure.

The last 2 free agencies were complete disasters yet they do the same thing year after year.

 

[kanuck87]

Typically, I would agree with this line of thinking, but our potential core is so still so far away from a big payday that I think it's okay to give some longer term contracts to strong bottom-6 players right now. The hope is that when the potential core (Pettersson/Dahlen/Lind/Gaudette/Juolevi/Hughes/Demko/etc) is ready to join Horvat and Boeser, the team can hit the ground running in contending since they've already got the depth pieces in place.

When the Roussel/Beagle/Sutter/Eriksson contract ends, most of that core will only be in their first or second years of arbitration. These contracts aren't a huge issue for me.

 

[Hit the post]

Unfortunately when you're a terrible team in a market with high taxes and real estate you gotta overpay.

Benning had proven to be s guy who will get his guys at all costs.

Yeah imagine where this team would be if he didn't get his guys at all costs (ie., take a good look at the standings for each of the past three seasons - most cumulative losses of any NHL team during this period I believe).

Benning should stick to drafting and hire somebody to handle all the other duties of GM.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Guys I'm hearing as part of their contract Vancouver has to implement prima nocta laws and Roussel and Beagle get to **** all your girlfriends. That's just the market rate for character forwards, you should feel lucky that all this grit and leadership is going to get spread to your families.

you raise those little snoopies and weasels as your very own and like it. be posi, it’s not like the fruit of your loins would ever have a chance to play pro; i mean, i bet you don’t even play rec league.

Exactly.

We had 4 guys - Virtanen, Gaunce, Archibald, and Leipsic - who are young and cheap exceeded expectations last year and performed well in top-9 minutes. Gaunce and Archibald formed 2/3 of an excellent #3 line to close out the season.

These are guys the organization should be growing and building the bottom-6 around but instead we're blowing 30 million on old crap from other teams. It's just idiotic.

yup we can add archie to my list now that he’s re-signed.

but on the bright side, if eight different ailments should happen to befall the eight pointless ringers benning brought in up front, i’m still glad we brought him back.

 

[TruGr1t]

Holy Toledo those are bad contracts!

Also the belief this management team has in Brandon Sutter's latent potential has hit legendary status. They seem to honestly believe we have an untapped offensive superstar secretly working away as an overpaid checking centre.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I still would rather finish the Goldobin experiment and give him one season of decent ice time to know for sure over playing stiffs like Gagner, Eriksson, Naslund,

my fav freudian slip

 

[Cupless44]

my fav freudian slip

Lol oops meant Granlund

 

[brokenhole]

You are correct in what they have tried as a management team but it looks like they have been learning a bit judging by what they are saying.
You could argue that Dahlen for Burrows was better then getting a late first round pick

If you were the owner of a 600 million dollar entity would you put up with a management group that is just starting to learn after 4-5 yrs on the job?

 

[krutovsdonut]

I'm all for competition within the team...and blah, blah, blah.

I just don't believe that the competition on the Canucks is an honest one. Anyone believe that the new or recent (or within the last two years) signees are in danger of demotion or losing their jobs by being outplayed by a younger player in pre season?

Merit based promotion does not seem to exist on this present version of the Canucks.

yes, they have no choice but to play these guys no matter how they play.

 

[Cupless44]

Neither James Neal nor JVR had any form of NMC in their deals but Beagle did in his 4 year deal. Get your heads around that.

 

[Cupless44]

yes, they have no choice but to play these guys no matter how they play.

Same thing with Eriksson and Gagner. They are in the line up no matter if they score or put out effort or not.

But there is opportunity for young players here right?

 

[xtra]

You are correct in what they have tried as a management team but it looks like they have been learning a bit judging by what they are saying.
You could argue that Dahlen for Burrows was better then getting a late first round pick

Judge them by what they do instead of what they say, cause anyone can say anything

 

[coastal_nuck]

You have to start planning that in advance like the Leafs did in their rebuild. You sign useful veterans to SHORT TERM deals that can be flipped at the deadline.

Exactly what Canucks will be attractive to contenders at the deadline that Benning is willing to move?

And you have to have the personnel that can execute those trades. Benning is not someone who gives you a lot of confidence in that regard.

Completely agreed - you need to sign these vets to marketable deals. Signing them to bad contracts with term and limited no trade clauses only diminishes the return we can expect. Add the Benning factor to this and we are not looking good.

 

[HankNDank]

Neither James Neal nor JVR had any form of NMC in their deals but Beagle did in his 4 year deal. Get your heads around that.

First of all, it's a modified NTC. and it really doesn't hamper our ability to trade him, we still have a choice of 24 teams to which we can trade him.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Same thing with Eriksson and Gagner. They are in the line up no matter if they score or put out effort or not.

But there is opportunity for young players here right?

gagner can be sat at some point this year. eriksson i agree.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Neither James Neal nor JVR had any form of NMC in their deals but Beagle did in his 4 year deal. Get your heads around that.

Why would you want a NMC if you are Beagle, you get paid from Vancouver and THEN you go to a competitor with Vancouver potentially paying half your salary........you then have a chance at another cup playing on a good team vs 4 years of bottom 5 finishes and the mentality that wears on you from losing a lot of games

 

[MS]

yes, they have no choice but to play these guys no matter how they play.

How many times were Eriksson, Gagner, Granlund, and Gudbranson scratched last year?

These guys will be in the lineup for all 82 games no matter what and it's delusional to think otherwise. Nothing in the club is done on merit.