Prospect Info: 2018-2019 Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 4.25.19)

[GeorgeKaplan]

I’d say

Definitely: Kakko, Howden, Lemieux
Probably: Chytil, Lias, Kravstov, Hajek
Maybe: Shestyorkin, Lindgren
No: Miller and Lundkvist

I don’t think there’s any chance Chytil isn’t a full timer NHLer again next season

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I don’t think there’s any chance Chytil isn’t a full timer NHLer again next season

I think there’s a VERY small chance he plays in the minors. I’d say 95/5 that he plays in the NHL.

 

[trilobyte]

I'm not overly familiar with the Bluejackets broadcast crew, but listening to them pre-puck drop they sound good. Not one of them sounds remotely like Emrick, Keith Jones or Mike Milbury.

 

[trilobyte]

Stamkos has never proven to be a real leader. He never has an extra step or gear. He might just continue to be one of the Lightning's biggest non-achievers. Just like last year.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Stamkos has never proven to be a real leader. He never has an extra step or gear. He might just continue to be one of the Lightning's biggest non-achievers. Just like last year.

he’s rick nash sans the two way game in the postseason

 

[trilobyte]

he’s rick nash sans the two way game in the postseason

I always thought that at least the NHL community realized that Nash was not a Tier 1 offensive threat any longer. With the good results that Stamkos realized after becoming healthy after his injury, it seemed to me that most still thought of him as a real difference maker, but i have always noticed that he never has an extra level of play, the way the truly best players do.

 

[Beacon]

This team is finally in a position where f***ing up is literally the hardest thing to do.

F'ing up is the easiest thing to do during youth accumulation. It is impossible to avoid, in fact. There will be fk ups that we cant even allow ourselves to even entertain right now.

But this is the most crucial stage. Whether we win zero Cups, one or multiple in about a decade will be determined by the quality of drafting in 2017 to 2021. This is why it is so crucial to keep stockpiling youth right now instead of declaring "everyone will hit their ceiling, so let's start signing UFAs." Most will not hit their ceiling. Most will disappoint us. The projected lineups with a giddy/drooling face at the end will look laughable in 4-5 years.

 

[Beacon]

Dude. Seriously. Amazing feeling

I know I'm the Debbie Downer here, but the last 3 sets of rebuilding I've watched the Rangers go through were massive failures, so I'll celebrate when I see results, not scouting reports.

1. 2003-2007: The best first rounder is Staal. The rest are busts or had no trade value by the prime. Cally, AA and Dubi were the only solid players drafted in later rounds and none of them are particularly special. All the prospects acquired during the fire sale of 2004 wound up being disastrous busts. The only reason for the turnaround is the lucky break of Lundqvist, who single handedly would put bad teams into the playoffs.

2. 1996-1999: Every one of the 5 first rounders is a bust or permanently injured. The only real good prospects we had (Marc Savard and Norstrom) are traded for nothing. Star prospects like Dube and Burke Henry go total bust. Goneau scores 10 goals in a month, then disappears. Vorobiev makes the first line with Messier and Graves, then disappears. Goalie of the future Cloutier becomes arguably the worst starter in the NHL some years. Dark Ages set in.

3. 1992-1995: Not really a rebuild, but an attempt to keep up the farm as Leetch, Richter, Amonte, Weight, etc are hitting their prime or getting traded. Sundstrom, Ferraro twins, Vercik, Joby Messier, Barry Richter, Sorochan, Galanov, Martin, Norstrom, etc are pumped, some to no end. Not one of them does anything special for the Rangers, almost all are busts. Norstrom traded as part of the package for the injured McSorley and half-dead Kurri.

We were just as excited before, particularly in the 1996-99 stretch. Three top-10 picks, Cherneski looking great, Brown/Jarvis/Henry looking no worse than K'Andre/Hajek/Rykov, Dube hitting 150 points in the Juniors. A super-prospect Brendl that Neil Smith said hed draft 1 OA if he had that pick - and much of the league professionals agreed with that assessment. The shining future of the late 90s turned out to be Dark Ages.

Really hoping this will be different. But keep acquiring more prospects until we *know* that this time is really is different.

 

[Rongomania]

I know I'm the Debbie Downer here, but the last 3 sets of rebuilding I've watched the Rangers go through were massive failures, so I'll celebrate when I see results, not scouting reports.

1. 2003-2007: The best first rounder is Staal. The rest are busts or had no trade value by the prime. Cally, AA and Dubi were the only solid players drafted in later rounds and none of them are particularly special. All the prospects acquired during the fire sale of 2004 wound up being disastrous busts. The only reason for the turnaround is the lucky break of Lundqvist, who single handedly would put bad teams into the playoffs.

2. 1996-1999: Every one of the 5 first rounders is a bust or permanently injured. The only real good prospects we had (Marc Savard and Norstrom) are traded for nothing. Star prospects like Dube and Burke Henry go total bust. Goneau scores 10 goals in a month, then disappears. Vorobiev makes the first line with Messier and Graves, then disappears. Goalie of the future Cloutier becomes arguably the worst starter in the NHL some years. Dark Ages set in.

3. 1992-1995: Not really a rebuild, but an attempt to keep up the farm as Leetch, Richter, Amonte, Weight, etc are hitting their prime or getting traded. Sundstrom, Ferraro twins, Vercik, Joby Messier, Barry Richter, Sorochan, Galanov, Martin, Norstrom, etc are pumped, some to no end. Not one of them does anything special for the Rangers, almost all are busts.


We were just as excited before, particularly in the 1996-99 stretch. Three top-10 picks, Cherneski looking great, Brown/Jarvis/Henry looking no worse than K'Andre/Hajek/Rykov. A super-prospect that Neil Smith said hed draft 1 OA if he had that pick - and much of the league professionals agreed with that assessment. The shining future of the late 90s turned out to be Dark Ages.

Really hoping this will be different. But keep acquiring more prospects until we *know* that this time is really is different.

Poor guy. It will get better man. Maintain hope that we finally see a real dynasty.

 

[egelband]

I’m not going to say Pionk is some world beater but the guy clearly burned out half way through the season this year. He logged A TON of minutes early in the year in what was pretty much his rookie season. For an undersized guy who plays a pretty physical style based effort, losing half a step due to fatigue could be fatal to his play.

Yep. The proof will be in his play next season. He'll either take a big step forward. Or he won't. But I wouldn't be too concerned about his second half performance this past season.

 

[kovazub94]

Would much rather sign Stralman for less term and money than Tyler Myers. We have a ton of D in the pipeline and only 6 spots. We have D next year ready to push for spots. And if we acquire Fox, that is one less spot. I doubt we even have room for Stralman tbh.

Here is how i see it shaking out:

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Buch
Strome-Lias-Fast
Boo Nieves, Smith

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Staal-ADA
Hajek-Fox
Stralman?

That is with me dealing Vesey and Namestnikov at the draft. Of course Kravtsov could start in the AHL and we maybe don’t sign Panarin. But I still see us signing a vet then. Hagelin, Brassard, Boyle. One of them. And/or we keep one of Vesey/Nams. Stralman could spell Fox and some others throughout the season. But i cant see the room for Tyler Myers unless you move someone on that blueline via trade. But I dont see Staal or Shattenkirk going anywhere. Maybe they trade Skjei to get into the Top 10 of the 1st round. That could be a possibility. But to tie up term in a big guy like Myers; I feel like youre looking at another Staal in 2-3 years and by then we will have better defenseman to replace him, maybe sooner than that.

A lot of things I’m not comfortable with. You have Chytil and Kravtsov on the second line while so far there’s no indication they will be ready for these roles as soon as next season. That’s with Kakko already on the first? Why would you put Buchnevich on the 3rd line after the way he finished the season? Would be a waste of his talent. Same with Strome. Just based on the type of game he played and with his skill, it will be wasted on the forth line.
Overall there’s a big disbalance between your forwards group and defense. Also disagree with your assertion that the Rangers defense on the right side is fine and only needs someone like Stralman to be added. They need a genuine 1st pair defenseman, which Stralman is not. Skjei - Stralman pair will not be good enough. Shattenkirk has been a 3rd pair D with PP time, at least during his 2 season with the Rangers, at least. Myers or Trouba would be welcomed addition. ADA, Fox and Lundkvist are different type of defensemen, the later two have a lot of years left for development until they are fully ready for THEIR roles.

 

[Levitate]

I know I'm the Debbie Downer here, but the last 3 sets of rebuilding I've watched the Rangers go through were massive failures, so I'll celebrate when I see results, not scouting reports.

1. 2003-2007: The best first rounder is Staal. The rest are busts or had no trade value by the prime. Cally, AA and Dubi were the only solid players drafted in later rounds and none of them are particularly special. All the prospects acquired during the fire sale of 2004 wound up being disastrous busts. The only reason for the turnaround is the lucky break of Lundqvist, who single handedly would put bad teams into the playoffs.

Ehhhh...it was Lundqvist but also getting Jagr and then surrounding him with talent that other teams thought wasn't good enough but that worked really well with Jagr. Then during that time they did draft some depth players that helped solidify the body of the team once Jagr started tailing off/was let go. I dont' think it was ever a true rebuild because of Lundqvist and Jagr sending them to the playoffs for the first time in years and years. They immediately started trying to compete, not to stockpile and rebuild.

 

[Levitate]

Yep. The proof will be in his play next season. He'll either take a big step forward. Or he won't. But I wouldn't be too concerned about his second half performance this past season.

He was bad at the start of the season too though!

The frustrating thing is that he does have some good tools to be a solid defenseman but the things he's bad at he continues to be bad at don't give me a ton of confidence at this point anylonger

 

[Irishguy42]

Yep. The proof will be in his play next season. He'll either take a big step forward. Or he won't. But I wouldn't be too concerned about his second half performance this past season.

He wasn't good the entire season. He was just putting up points at an unsustainable pace at the beginning, so it masked the deficiencies.

 

[Cag29]

A lot of things I’m not comfortable with. You have Chytil and Kravtsov on the second line while so far there’s no indication they will be ready for these roles as soon as next season. That’s with Kakko already on the first? Why would you put Buchnevich on the 3rd line after the way he finished the season? Would be a waste of his talent. Same with Strome. Just based on the type of game he played and with his skill, it will be wasted on the forth line.
Overall there’s a big disbalance between your forwards group and defense. Also disagree with your assertion that the Rangers defense on the right side is fine and only needs someone like Stralman to be added. They need a genuine 1st pair defenseman, which Stralman is not. Skjei - Stralman pair will not be good enough. Shattenkirk has been a 3rd pair D with PP time, at least during his 2 season with the Rangers, at least. Myers or Trouba would be welcomed addition. ADA, Fox and Lundkvist are different type of defensemen, the later two have a lot of years left for development until they are fully ready for THEIR roles.

I hope we add some Grit to the wings. Lemieux will wear out doing it by himself.

 

[RGY]

A lot of things I’m not comfortable with. You have Chytil and Kravtsov on the second line while so far there’s no indication they will be ready for these roles as soon as next season. That’s with Kakko already on the first? Why would you put Buchnevich on the 3rd line after the way he finished the season? Would be a waste of his talent. Same with Strome. Just based on the type of game he played and with his skill, it will be wasted on the forth line.
Overall there’s a big disbalance between your forwards group and defense. Also disagree with your assertion that the Rangers defense on the right side is fine and only needs someone like Stralman to be added. They need a genuine 1st pair defenseman, which Stralman is not. Skjei - Stralman pair will not be good enough. Shattenkirk has been a 3rd pair D with PP time, at least during his 2 season with the Rangers, at least. Myers or Trouba would be welcomed addition. ADA, Fox and Lundkvist are different type of defensemen, the later two have a lot of years left for development until they are fully ready for THEIR roles.

I do believe Kakko would get every opportunity to play on that 1st line.

Same with Chytil. He is entering his D+3 year. He will get an opportunity there. They could end up swapping him with someone to move him down.

You could absolutely swap Buch with Kravtsov. I also did say Kravtsov could start in the AHL.

Those D pairings were just to get Left-Righty combinations. No I dont think Shattenkirk should be on the top pair.

I dont like the contract Myers will likely will get and I dont see him as a top pairing defenseman because he isnt. He is a top 4 defenseman. And he is a big body that i dont see holding up the life of that contract sooner rather than later.

I dont see them trading for Trouba unless Skjei goes the other way. But that is Left Defenseman for a Right Defenseman and i dont know if WPG wants to do that.

Stralman is a 2nd pair defenseman on a mediocre defense and 3rd pair on a good team. But he is still serviceable and cheaper. I dont see Rykov and Lindgren has being far off. Hajek should be here next season. And if they acquire Fox he will be here to play imo. He has developed, he has 3 years of college under his belt. 3 very good years.

 

[RGY]

I know I'm the Debbie Downer here, but the last 3 sets of rebuilding I've watched the Rangers go through were massive failures, so I'll celebrate when I see results, not scouting reports.

1. 2003-2007: The best first rounder is Staal. The rest are busts or had no trade value by the prime. Cally, AA and Dubi were the only solid players drafted in later rounds and none of them are particularly special. All the prospects acquired during the fire sale of 2004 wound up being disastrous busts. The only reason for the turnaround is the lucky break of Lundqvist, who single handedly would put bad teams into the playoffs.

2. 1996-1999: Every one of the 5 first rounders is a bust or permanently injured. The only real good prospects we had (Marc Savard and Norstrom) are traded for nothing. Star prospects like Dube and Burke Henry go total bust. Goneau scores 10 goals in a month, then disappears. Vorobiev makes the first line with Messier and Graves, then disappears. Goalie of the future Cloutier becomes arguably the worst starter in the NHL some years. Dark Ages set in.

3. 1992-1995: Not really a rebuild, but an attempt to keep up the farm as Leetch, Richter, Amonte, Weight, etc are hitting their prime or getting traded. Sundstrom, Ferraro twins, Vercik, Joby Messier, Barry Richter, Sorochan, Galanov, Martin, Norstrom, etc are pumped, some to no end. Not one of them does anything special for the Rangers, almost all are busts. Norstrom traded as part of the package for the injured McSorley and half-dead Kurri.

We were just as excited before, particularly in the 1996-99 stretch. Three top-10 picks, Cherneski looking great, Brown/Jarvis/Henry looking no worse than K'Andre/Hajek/Rykov, Dube hitting 150 points in the Juniors. A super-prospect Brendl that Neil Smith said hed draft 1 OA if he had that pick - and much of the league professionals agreed with that assessment. The shining future of the late 90s turned out to be Dark Ages.

Really hoping this will be different. But keep acquiring more prospects until we *know* that this time is really is different.

The one thing I will argue that is different, and I could be wrong, is that I feel like there is WAY MORE exposure to the prospects for upcoming drafts. More video on them, more information. I feel like you have way more data when making a selection that you have a better chance of at least finding an NHL player, at least for the 1st round. After that its still up in the air. But i dont know in 2019 i just feel its different for drafting.

Again I could be wrong

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Myers
DeAngelo
Fox

Right side next year. Gorton has to find a taker for Shattenkirk but he can make this happen if he wants too

Trouba they should absolutely investigate, but this team has no business acquiring soon to be 30-y-o Tyler Myers.

 

[Fitzy]

I hope we add some Grit to the wings. Lemieux will wear out doing it by himself.

 

[Tawnos]

The one thing I will argue that is different, and I could be wrong, is that I feel like there is WAY MORE exposure to the prospects for upcoming drafts. More video on them, more information. I feel like you have way more data when making a selection that you have a better chance of at least finding an NHL player, at least for the 1st round. After that its still up in the air. But i dont know in 2019 i just feel its different for drafting.

Again I could be wrong

You aren't. 20 years ago, even having a top-10 pick didn't give you high odds of getting an NHL player. If you look at the last 5-10 or so drafts that have had a chance to develop, it's become more and more rare that a top-10 pick doesn't become an NHL player. Yes, some are still disappointing relative to their draft position (Ryan Strome, for example), but overall it's gotten better.

 

[Rongomania]

He’s our Burns/Buf

 

[Harbour Dog]

I know the Smith stuff is a joke (as it should be), but we've got him signed through the next two seasons anyway. As long as we don't need the cap space for something more important in that time, I'd be fine with him as a 4th line winger.

 

[Kovalev27]

Imo you’re going to see a massive physical change in Chytil when he shows up as a 20 year old next fall. He’s so so young he’s going to be a beast this kid

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Imo you’re going to see a massive physical change in Chytil when he shows up as a 20 year old next fall. He’s so so young he’s going to be a beast this kid

He has a long way to go still

 

[Vitto79]

He has a long way to go still

A lot of the kids do I’m fine if some get AHL time .

My concern is I think they are gonna play Andersson 4th line C and I’m not sure how he improves that way ? They are gonna run Strome at C ,Zib, Howden