Prospect Info: 2018-2019 Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 4.25.19)

[Leetch3]

Dear Haters,

As you continue to get excited about the future of watching Kaapo Kakko on Broadway. I would just like to say 'You're Welcome'

Your Pal,
Neal Robert Pionk
Private 1st Class, USS Tank Brigade

 

[pblawr]

I think the rush to judgment with our prospects / young players, especially once they get playing time at the NHL level, is ridiculous. Young players trying to break into the NHL aren't going to be perfect and prospect development is a long, uneven process that takes time. If we got rid of our prospects every time they struggled or didn't look great in the NHL, we literally wouldn't develop even a single one of them. I think in the past year or so I've seen guys call for getting rid of DeAngelo, Chytil, Andersson, Skjei, and Pionk, and as soon as Kakko and Kravtsov struggle next year, I'm sure there will be people calling to get rid of them too. Our prospects are not always going to look great at the NHL level. That's an unavoidable part of the development process and people shouldn't rush to judgment every time it happens.

 

[Edge]

I think the rush to judgment with our prospects / young players, especially once they get playing time at the NHL level, is ridiculous. Young players trying to break into the NHL aren't going to be perfect and prospect development is a long, uneven process that takes time. If we got rid of our prospects every time they struggled or didn't look great in the NHL, we literally wouldn't develop even a single one of them. I think in the past year or so I've seen guys call for getting rid of DeAngelo, Chytil, Andersson, Skjei, and Pionk, and as soon as Kakko and Kravtsov struggle next year, I'm sure there will be people calling to get rid of them too. Our prospects are not always going to look great at the NHL level. That's an unavoidable part of the development process and people shouldn't rush to judgment every time it happens.

And a big part of that is not getting too carried away before they arrive in NY.

One of the great challenges these kids face is matching the 1-3 years of expectations that precede their arrival. Hell, before they ever take their first NHL shift people are comparing them to some of the top names in the sport, or coming up with projections and timelines for hitting those milestones.

As a result, even if a kid has a good, or even very good start to his career, it's an arduous task to match the dreams of fans.

 

[cheech70]

Myers
DeAngelo
Fox

Right side next year. Gorton has to find a taker for Shattenkirk but he can make this happen if he wants too[/QUOT

Whats market rate for Meyer ..length and term?

 

[Michal]

What do you think which prospects will be in the roster for 2019/2020? Kakko? Kravtsov? Miller? Lundkvist? Hajek? Shesterkin? Maybe someone else?

Will Andersson, Chytil, Howden, Lemieux manage to stay in the Rangers roster?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

What do you think which prospects will be in the roster for 2019/2020? Kakko? Kravtsov? Miller? Lundkvist? Hajek? Shesterkin? Maybe someone else?

Will Andersson, Chytil, Howden, Lemieux manage to stay in the Rangers roster?

Definitely:
Chytil
Howden
Lemieux

Most likely:
Andersson
Kakko
Kravtsov

Maybe:
Shesterkin
Hajek

No:
Miller
Lundkvist

 

[Rongomania]

Definitely:
Chytil
Howden
Lemieux

Most likely:
Andersson
Kakko
Kravtsov

Maybe:
Shesterkin
Hajek

No:
Miller
Lundkvist

I honestly am thinking that this is the real solidifying draft of this teams future. No matter how many 1sts we wind up with - I think JG will be working those phones hard and we will be a happy bunch. This team is finally in a position where f***ing up is literally the hardest thing to do. It’s a nice position to be in and it’s just going to be insanely hard for the draft to not go in our favor, like completely.

When does camp start?

 

[cwede]

Whats market rate for Meyer ..length and term?

someone will offer Myers at least 6 years x at least $5.75M

RHD are key assets,
and he surprised his doubters (including me) by playing 80+ games and staying healthy
both these 2 years since his bad injury and lost season
Tyler Myers (b.1990) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

but i still worry he will break down quickly at some point,
he is freakshly tall for a NHL player
and its unlikely he is a similar freak-of-nature as Chara, who is a truly amazing athlete

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I honestly am thinking that this is the real solidifying draft of this teams future. No matter how many 1sts we wind up with - I think JG will be working those phones hard and we will be a happy bunch. This team is finally in a position where f***ing up is literally the hardest thing to do. It’s a nice position to be in and it’s just going to be insanely hard for the draft to not go in our favor, like completely.

When does camp start?

This draft/off season feels like a prime time to make a big splash, and I don’t mean signing a Panarin. They’ve done such a great job so far and they’ve gotten some luck along the way, it’s a really exciting time to be a Rangers fan right now

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think the rush to judgment with our prospects / young players, especially once they get playing time at the NHL level, is ridiculous. Young players trying to break into the NHL aren't going to be perfect and prospect development is a long, uneven process that takes time. If we got rid of our prospects every time they struggled or didn't look great in the NHL, we literally wouldn't develop even a single one of them. I think in the past year or so I've seen guys call for getting rid of DeAngelo, Chytil, Andersson, Skjei, and Pionk, and as soon as Kakko and Kravtsov struggle next year, I'm sure there will be people calling to get rid of them too. Our prospects are not always going to look great at the NHL level. That's an unavoidable part of the development process and people shouldn't rush to judgment every time it happens.

And what you’re describing is exactly why I think it’s a foolhardy endeavor to proclaim this team is ready to take the next step. This is nowhere near ready to become a playoff contender. This is where I’m praying the Gorton continues to exhibit patience.

 

[Rongomania]

This draft/off season feels like a prime time to make a big splash, and I don’t mean signing a Panarin. They’ve done such a great job so far and they’ve gotten some luck along the way, it’s a really exciting time to be a Rangers fan right now

Dude. Seriously. Amazing feeling, actually still in shock because I refused to follow the board or anything involving the announcement the day of.

The pick honestly has thrown away the idea of Panarin in my mind as well as seeing what’s out there for Kreider + our plethora of assets.

So happy to be a fan of this team, finally doin’ it right. It was the toughest season I’ve ever followed thoroughly, and man were we rewarded here.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Dude. Seriously. Amazing feeling, actually still in shock because I refused to follow the board or anything involving the announcement the day of.

The pick honestly has thrown away the idea of Panarin in my mind as well as seeing what’s out there for Kreider + our plethora of assets.

So happy to be a fan of this team, finally doin’ it right. It was the toughest season I’ve ever followed thoroughly, and man were we rewarded here.

Getting 2OA has put a stamp of legitimacy on this rebuild.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think the rush to judgment with our prospects / young players, especially once they get playing time at the NHL level, is ridiculous. Young players trying to break into the NHL aren't going to be perfect and prospect development is a long, uneven process that takes time. If we got rid of our prospects every time they struggled or didn't look great in the NHL, we literally wouldn't develop even a single one of them. I think in the past year or so I've seen guys call for getting rid of DeAngelo, Chytil, Andersson, Skjei, and Pionk, and as soon as Kakko and Kravtsov struggle next year, I'm sure there will be people calling to get rid of them too. Our prospects are not always going to look great at the NHL level. That's an unavoidable part of the development process and people shouldn't rush to judgment every time it happens.

The bolded is justified.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I think the rush to judgment with our prospects / young players, especially once they get playing time at the NHL level, is ridiculous. Young players trying to break into the NHL aren't going to be perfect and prospect development is a long, uneven process that takes time. If we got rid of our prospects every time they struggled or didn't look great in the NHL, we literally wouldn't develop even a single one of them. I think in the past year or so I've seen guys call for getting rid of DeAngelo, Chytil, Andersson, Skjei, and Pionk, and as soon as Kakko and Kravtsov struggle next year, I'm sure there will be people calling to get rid of them too. Our prospects are not always going to look great at the NHL level. That's an unavoidable part of the development process and people shouldn't rush to judgment every time it happens.

Say it louder, for the people in the back

 

[Fitzy]

Say it louder, for the people in the back

Kucherov's rookie stats (When he was older than Chytil)-

52GP 9G 9A 18P

Steve Rucchin, who I see as a Lias Andersson comparable, didn't make the NHL until 23.

It's certainly way too early to write guys off.

Side not to those saying Chytil doesn't look like a center- I disagree. He looks a lot like a Matt Duchene type center to me who is at his best when carrying the puck up the ice with a head of steam.

 

[pblawr]

The bolded is justified.

I don't think it makes sense to evaluate Pionk like he's a finished product at age 23 with 2 pro seasons under his belt. I don't think he's a good NHL player today, but that doesn't mean he couldn't become one in the future. He's a young player who's still developing. In my view, he clearly has a high level of offensive skill and is a plus skater at the NHL level. I don't think he's capable of defending at the NHL level today, but with his skating ability and the hockey sense he displays at the offensive end of the ice, it seems to me like there's some chance he could figure it out eventually. Reportedly he has fantastic work ethic. A guy like Dan Boyle didn't break out until he was 25-26. I honestly don't have a good sense of whether or not Pionk will eventually turn into a good NHL'er player or not, I just don't think makes sense to evaluate a guy who is 23 and still developing as if he's a finished product with no possibility of improving.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think it makes sense to evaluate Pionk like he's a finished product at age 23 with 2 pro seasons under his belt. I don't think he's a good NHL player today, but that doesn't mean he couldn't become one in the future. He's a young player who's still developing. In my view, he clearly has a high level of offensive skill and is a plus skater at the NHL level. I don't think he's capable of defending at the NHL level today, but with his skating ability and the hockey sense he displays at the offensive end of the ice, it seems to me like there's some chance he could figure it out eventually. Reportedly he has fantastic work ethic. A guy like Dan Boyle didn't break out until he was 25-26. I honestly don't have a good sense of whether or not Pionk will eventually turn into a good NHL'er player or not, I just don't think makes sense to evaluate a guy who is 23 and still developing as if he's a finished product with no possibility of improving.

Dan Boyle also played in a time where if you weren't at least 6'2", it was hard to get an honest shot in this league.

I wouldn't categorize Pionk as a plus skater either. He's pretty fast when he gets going, I'll give you that but it takes a bit for him to get to top speed and his quickness in tight areas is pretty bad. The latter of these is a major issue because that extra half second would make his life much easier for him, but its one of those things thats really, really hard to improve.

He also doesn't process the game fast enough for me.I think being able to move the puck out of your own end should be a pre-requisite for every D in this league, let alone an offensive D, like he is almost Staal levels of bad at this.

 

[mrhockey193195]

And a big part of that is not getting too carried away before they arrive in NY.

One of the great challenges these kids face is matching the 1-3 years of expectations that precede their arrival. Hell, before they ever take their first NHL shift people are comparing them to some of the top names in the sport, or coming up with projections and timelines for hitting those milestones.

As a result, even if a kid has a good, or even very good start to his career, it's an arduous task to match the dreams of fans.

18 months ago: "Chytil will be our future #1 center, maybe as soon as three years from now, he's a game breaker"

Today: "Chytil is garbage, he will never be more than a 40 point player who is terrible on defense"

The funniest thing is, if he didn't play a single NHL game these past two years and stayed in CZE or AHL we would still be hyping him as a sure-fire top line player.

(disclaimer: perhaps a bit of hyperbole)

 

[RGY]

Would much rather sign Stralman for less term and money than Tyler Myers. We have a ton of D in the pipeline and only 6 spots. We have D next year ready to push for spots. And if we acquire Fox, that is one less spot. I doubt we even have room for Stralman tbh.

Here is how i see it shaking out:

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Buch
Strome-Lias-Fast
Boo Nieves, Smith

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Staal-ADA
Hajek-Fox
Stralman?

That is with me dealing Vesey and Namestnikov at the draft. Of course Kravtsov could start in the AHL and we maybe don’t sign Panarin. But I still see us signing a vet then. Hagelin, Brassard, Boyle. One of them. And/or we keep one of Vesey/Nams. Stralman could spell Fox and some others throughout the season. But i cant see the room for Tyler Myers unless you move someone on that blueline via trade. But I dont see Staal or Shattenkirk going anywhere. Maybe they trade Skjei to get into the Top 10 of the 1st round. That could be a possibility. But to tie up term in a big guy like Myers; I feel like youre looking at another Staal in 2-3 years and by then we will have better defenseman to replace him, maybe sooner than that.

 

[Edge]

18 months ago: "Chytil will be our future #1 center, maybe as soon as three years from now, he's a game breaker"

Today: "Chytil is garbage, he will never be more than a 40 point player who is terrible on defense"

The funniest thing is, if he didn't play a single NHL game these past two years and stayed in CZE or AHL we would still be hyping him as a sure-fire top line player.

(disclaimer: perhaps a bit of hyperbole)

It's why I pump the breaks a little bit with guys in college or juniors.

That last jump, to the NHL, is incredibly difficult. It's why you see so many AAAA players, or guys who find a career in other pro leagues around the world.

Before these kids reach New York, we're often fixated on their ceilings and used every accomplishment as proof of their coming greatness.

And in some cases, maybe the end result isn't great. Maybe it's very good, or good. That's okay too.

But I've never been a fan of viewing anything in this world, let alone prospects, through a black and white prism. There are many subtle levels between superstar and roadkill in the NHL.

 

[mrhockey193195]

It's why I pump the breaks a little bit with guys in college or juniors.

That last jump, to the NHL, is incredibly difficult. It's why you see so many AAAA players, or guys who find a career in other pro leagues around the world.

Before these kids reach New York, we're often fixated on their ceilings and every accomplishment is proof of their coming greatness.

And in some cases, maybe the end result isn't great. Maybe it's very good, or good. That's okay too.

But I've never been a fan of viewing anything in this world, let alone prospects, through a black and white prism. There are many subtle levels between superstar and roadkill in the NHL.

Great points.

More specifically on the topic of prospects, there is a ton of precedent for top forwards taking a few years before hitting their ceiling.

Sheifele was 22 when he had 1/2 C numbers for the first time (3rd full NHL season), and was 23 before he became a star. Barkov was extremely young, but similarly hit that level in his third season. Claude Giroux became a star in his third season as well, at the age of 23. Hell, we've seen it in front of our own eyes - it's taken Zib six seasons and hitting the age of 25 before he became a surefire #1.

 

[cwede]

It's why I pump the breaks a little bit with guys in college or juniors.
That last jump, to the NHL, is incredibly difficult. It's why you see so many AAAA players, or guys who find a career in other pro leagues around the world.
Before these kids reach New York, we're often fixated on their ceilings and used every accomplishment as proof of their coming greatness.
And in some cases, maybe the end result isn't great. Maybe it's very good, or good. That's okay too.
But I've never been a fan of viewing anything in this world, let alone prospects, through a black and white prism. There are many subtle levels between superstar and roadkill in the NHL.

Great points.
More specifically on the topic of prospects, there is a ton of precedent for top forwards taking a few years before hitting their ceiling.
Sheifele was 22 when he had 1/2 C numbers for the first time (3rd full NHL season), and was 23 before he became a star. Barkov was extremely young, but similarly hit that level in his third season. Claude Giroux became a star in his third season as well, at the age of 23. Hell, we've seen it in front of our own eyes - it's taken Zib six seasons and hitting the age of 25 before he became a surefire #1.

thanks for these guys,
its hard to keep in mind when you're excited by the prospects' prospects
but you're drafting them for what they will become at 23-26...,
not what they will be at 19-22 (when you get that too, its a bonus

 

[Ranger Ric]

Patrick Newel named first team West All American.



Future Ranger Adam Fox named to first team East All American.



Mass free agent RW Mitchell Chaffee also named to the East first team.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Definitely:
Chytil
Howden
Lemieux

Most likely:
Andersson
Kakko
Kravtsov

Maybe:
Shesterkin
Hajek

No:
Miller
Lundkvist

I’d say

Definitely: Kakko, Howden, Lemieux
Probably: Chytil, Lias, Kravstov, Hajek
Maybe: Shestyorkin, Lindgren
No: Miller and Lundkvist

 

[cheech70]

someone will offer Myers at least 6 years x at least $5.75M

RHD are key assets,
and he surprised his doubters (including me) by playing 80+ games and staying healthy
both these 2 years since his bad injury and lost season
Tyler Myers (b.1990) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

but i still worry he will break down quickly at some point,
he is freakshly tall for a NHL player
and its unlikely he is a similar freak-of-nature as Chara, who is a truly amazing athlete

He may be a little too close to 30 for us..What a break if we get Fox! If its a 2nd I do it!