Prospect Info: 2018-2019 Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 4.25.19)

[Vitto79]

Definitely:
Chytil
Howden
Lemieux

Most likely:
Andersson
Kakko
Kravtsov

Maybe:
Shesterkin
Hajek

No:
Miller
Lundkvist

Miller and Lundqvist ready to sign and play AHL though ?

 

[Vitto79]

I was a Pionk supporter at the start of the season and throughout but he didn’t really improve in the areas he’s weakest and that are really hurting his game. Bring young and all is fine but I’d expect to see development I have seen with Pionk yet

So if they get Fox do they boot Pionk ?
He’s a RD asset still imo

Shatty , Fox , DeAngelo?

 

[Heckler81]

Maybe we can trade Pionk for a 2020 2nd rd pick?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Miller and Lundqvist ready to sign and play AHL though ?

Think they’ll be back in their respective leagues

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Think they’ll be back in their respective leagues

As they should be.

We're going to see quite the nice influx of youth again next year with those 2, Barron, and potentially other guys we pick this year.

Of course they'll probably all start in the A, but having no room on your roster at the current moment because your talent level is high is a good problem to have.

 

[Beacon]

He has a long way to go still

Normally kids his age are entering their first AHL season or Junior year of college. If he had 40 AHL points, wed hear, "he's young, that's a good pro start." But if he gets 35-40 NHL points, "f'k 'em, f'k 'em hard. Why would we think he'll improve?" Chytil is a hell of a prospect, even though he's no longer officially one. Any ability to stick in the NHL at the age of 19, even if you suck, is a huge accomplishment.

 

[ElLeetch]

As they should be.

We're going to see quite the nice influx of youth again next year with those 2, Barron, and potentially other guys we pick this year.

Of course they'll probably all start in the A, but having no room on your roster at the current moment because your talent level is high is a good problem to have.

plus, you don't want everyone at the same "level" at the same time. you want to stagger your incoming flow (helps with roster slots, ELC expirations, etc)

 

[kovazub94]

Imo you’re going to see a massive physical change in Chytil when he shows up as a 20 year old next fall. He’s so so young he’s going to be a beast this kid

Need patience with this kid. Keep reminding that he’s still 19. Give him at least when he’s 22 to make a judgment on his talent ceiling. So many examples of great 1C that looked barely acceptable when they were brought up as teens even 20. Chytil’s flashes will become his signature game permanently.

 

[cwede]

London(Keane) up 3-2 in series over Guelph, game 6 tonight (Sat 4/13) (if necc game 7 Tuesday)
Oshawa(Gross) series w Niagara tied 2-2, game 5 tonight (game 6 Monday, if necc game 7 Tuesday)
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[Legionnaire11]

Hey Rangers fans, i'm looking for some input on a few players who made their debut last season. Can you tell me what kind of players they are and what their future NHL outlook is? Thanks!

Tim Gettinger
Libor Hajek
Ryan Lindgren

 

[eco's bones]

Hey Rangers fans, i'm looking for some input on a few players who made their debut last season. Can you tell me what kind of players they are and what their future NHL outlook is? Thanks!

Tim Gettinger
Libor Hajek
Ryan Lindgren

Gettinger if he makes it--bottom 6 winger. Great size--like 6'6 and has a lot of wing span--decent skater--can chip in on offense. They'll want him to be a penalty killer.

The Rangers look at Hajek as a future top 4D---that said he wasn't having a great rookie AHL season when he was called up. He looked really good though in the 5 games he played before he got hurt. I think the Rangers are somewhere between hoping and expecting him to make the big club next year. Big rangy kid---skates very well. Has two way skills but that didn't show much in the AHL.

Lindgren I see more as a bottom 6 defensive D. Not big but he plays a hard edgy mean game. Skates very well--made two American WJC teams. He's basically a defensive guy but opponents should keep their heads up when they're on the attack because he loves to hit and he hits hard and he has a knack for pissing people off. Really competitive.

I like Hajek's and Lindgren's chances better than Gettinger's--though Gettinger could turn out okay too. I think the Rangers gave him a cup of coffee because they see something in him and they want him to go into the off season with the idea of what the NHL is like. Ditto for Hajek and Lindgren though too.

 

[Ola]

I’m not going to say Pionk is some world beater but the guy clearly burned out half way through the season this year. He logged A TON of minutes early in the year in what was pretty much his rookie season. For an undersized guy who plays a pretty physical style based effort, losing half a step due to fatigue could be fatal to his play.

This, and a big factor — that you cannot get away from I recon — is that he of course is affected by the hate he gets from his fans. The players are of course aware of that. Imagine if you are a young kid living your dream and making the NHL and getting a big role and ... .... .... .... every time you get of the ice your fans are screaming that you suck. You get the advice to not go on social media. And so forth.

I never get the need to really hate these kids and tear them apart. To construe how they must not only improve, that they aren’t great, into being ‘the worst in the league’.

Like for me it’s one thing with say a Wade Redden. But a kid that basically is a rookie? He got the usage that he did from one very accomplished NHL coach and another rookie NHL coach because he stepped up to the role and grew in it, while the OTHERS did not. That is not his fault. Look at how big issues Brady Skjei has had growing into a bigger role in the NHL. Skjei played RD in college. Why didn’t Brady step up and get the job done going up against the best of the best on a shift by shift basis? Instead Brady struggled with stepping up to a No 3 role. Regressed the more he was used.

 

[Ola]

Kucherov's rookie stats (When he was older than Chytil)-

52GP 9G 9A 18P

Steve Rucchin, who I see as a Lias Andersson comparable, didn't make the NHL until 23.

It's certainly way too early to write guys off.

Side not to those saying Chytil doesn't look like a center- I disagree. He looks a lot like a Matt Duchene type center to me who is at his best when carrying the puck up the ice with a head of steam.

This.

And in addition, kids the age Lias and Chytil are can add a whole element to their game. Jagr ‘never’ used his slapper before like his 2 year in Washington when he realized he couldn’t skate 8s around everyone. Then like a couple of years later he was the one player in the NHL who scored the most goals with his slapper. Jagr said that Gonchar thought him how to fire a slapper. I remember when Daniel Alfredsson went to Ottawa so well. He wasn’t a shooter at all, not in that sense. Ottawa pulled him aside and gave him a clear message, listen you must learn to fire the puck. Your shot is good in a few ways, but it’s ridiculiusly bad in some situations. You can’t one-time it. Alfie was what a top 3-4 scorer in his prime. Mats Sundin is another guy who became a shooter, he wasn’t a shooter at all early in his career.

Filip Chytil is a kid who you don’t know yet what you will get from. Artem Anisimov was another kid pretty similar to Chytil. AA never really managed to find any niche areas in the NHL. But Kopitar is another kid who did, who wasn’t that much unlike AA and Chytil at 17.

Can Chytil add a shooting dimension to his game? Can he become a guy who is really really strong on the puck along the boards? Can he become a guy who distribute the puck really well in the attacking zone? Today he is that guy who can drive up ice and is solid infront of the net. But a lot can happen along the way.

On Lias, I do think it’s — very — important to compare the Lias we are seing our there with the Lias we have seen in Juniors, against his peers, mainly in the WJSS, WJC and AO forth.

In that perspective Lias did not at all exhibit the limited tool box we are seing in the NHL. He was driving the puck up ice, he was undressing Ds, he was running PPa. He was making amazing passes.

I think this rebuilding thing is new to the organization as well. We did rush Lias pretty bad. How we used him his first summer was horrible. When I heard Quinn talk about Lias, it was obvious how DQ only had Lias the kid he had seen in the NHL in his memory bank.

It’s not a question if Lias has certain aspects in his game, it’s if he can get away from being forced to give up many aspects of his game in favor of getting it done in the most crucial areas. He is the type who is super responsible, someone like JT Miller is totally different. A mix of the two would be perfect. Can Lias improve his physical abilities so much that he isn’t afraid of challenging a fore checker when he drives the puck up ice? Where he can loosen up some of his marking to get more speed under his skates when the play turns? And so forth.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Gettinger if he makes it--bottom 6 winger. Great size--like 6'6 and has a lot of wing span--decent skater--can chip in on offense. They'll want him to be a penalty killer.

The Rangers look at Hajek as a future top 4D---that said he wasn't having a great rookie AHL season when he was called up. He looked really good though in the 5 games he played before he got hurt. I think the Rangers are somewhere between hoping and expecting him to make the big club next year. Big rangy kid---skates very well. Has two way skills but that didn't show much in the AHL.

Lindgren I see more as a bottom 6 defensive D. Not big but he plays a hard edgy mean game. Skates very well--made two American WJC teams. He's basically a defensive guy but opponents should keep their heads up when they're on the attack because he loves to hit and he hits hard and he has a knack for pissing people off. Really competitive.

I like Hajek's and Lindgren's chances better than Gettinger's--though Gettinger could turn out okay too. I think the Rangers gave him a cup of coffee because they see something in him and they want him to go into the off season with the idea of what the NHL is like. Ditto for Hajek and Lindgren though too.

Is it fair to say that Lindgren is a Girardi that has appropriate skating for today's era?

 

[eco's bones]

Is it fair to say that Lindgren is a Girardi that has appropriate skating for today's era?

He might have less offense than Girardi. He's not as big. He is definitely meaner and he's a better skater. There are similarities but the differences may turn out to be important. He doesn't mind getting under opponents skins. He can be a jerk to play against. Opponents go looking for him from time to time.

 

[eco's bones]

This.

And in addition, kids the age Lias and Chytil are can add a whole element to their game. Jagr ‘never’ used his slapper before like his 2 year in Washington when he realized he couldn’t skate 8s around everyone. Then like a couple of years later he was the one player in the NHL who scored the most goals with his slapper. Jagr said that Gonchar thought him how to fire a slapper. I remember when Daniel Alfredsson went to Ottawa so well. He wasn’t a shooter at all, not in that sense. Ottawa pulled him aside and gave him a clear message, listen you must learn to fire the puck. Your shot is good in a few ways, but it’s ridiculiusly bad in some situations. You can’t one-time it. Alfie was what a top 3-4 scorer in his prime. Mats Sundin is another guy who became a shooter, he wasn’t a shooter at all early in his career.

Filip Chytil is a kid who you don’t know yet what you will get from. Artem Anisimov was another kid pretty similar to Chytil. AA never really managed to find any niche areas in the NHL. But Kopitar is another kid who did, who wasn’t that much unlike AA and Chytil at 17.

Can Chytil add a shooting dimension to his game? Can he become a guy who is really really strong on the puck along the boards? Can he become a guy who distribute the puck really well in the attacking zone? Today he is that guy who can drive up ice and is solid infront of the net. But a lot can happen along the way.

On Lias, I do think it’s — very — important to compare the Lias we are seing our there with the Lias we have seen in Juniors, against his peers, mainly in the WJSS, WJC and AO forth.

In that perspective Lias did not at all exhibit the limited tool box we are seing in the NHL. He was driving the puck up ice, he was undressing Ds, he was running PPa. He was making amazing passes.

I think this rebuilding thing is new to the organization as well. We did rush Lias pretty bad. How we used him his first summer was horrible. When I heard Quinn talk about Lias, it was obvious how DQ only had Lias the kid he had seen in the NHL in his memory bank.

It’s not a question if Lias has certain aspects in his game, it’s if he can get away from being forced to give up many aspects of his game in favor of getting it done in the most crucial areas. He is the type who is super responsible, someone like JT Miller is totally different. A mix of the two would be perfect. Can Lias improve his physical abilities so much that he isn’t afraid of challenging a fore checker when he drives the puck up ice? Where he can loosen up some of his marking to get more speed under his skates when the play turns? And so forth.

I think there's quite a lot of similarity between Chytil and Jagr. Jagr was a big, strong guy with a big ass which he would put between an opponent and the puck and who moved around really well. He didn't run around hitting guys all that much but he absolutely imposed his size and strength on his opponents consistently game in and game out. I'm not sure Chytil realizes he has similar assets and a somewhat similar skillset. He could be a monster--he's still growing and learning.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Who has a higher ceiling Kravtsov or Miller?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who has a higher ceiling Kravtsov or Miller?

Miller imo.

 

[eco's bones]

This, and a big factor — that you cannot get away from I recon — is that he of course is affected by the hate he gets from his fans. The players are of course aware of that. Imagine if you are a young kid living your dream and making the NHL and getting a big role and ... .... .... .... every time you get of the ice your fans are screaming that you suck. You get the advice to not go on social media. And so forth.

I never get the need to really hate these kids and tear them apart. To construe how they must not only improve, that they aren’t great, into being ‘the worst in the league’.

Like for me it’s one thing with say a Wade Redden. But a kid that basically is a rookie? He got the usage that he did from one very accomplished NHL coach and another rookie NHL coach because he stepped up to the role and grew in it, while the OTHERS did not. That is not his fault. Look at how big issues Brady Skjei has had growing into a bigger role in the NHL. Skjei played RD in college. Why didn’t Brady step up and get the job done going up against the best of the best on a shift by shift basis? Instead Brady struggled with stepping up to a No 3 role. Regressed the more he was used.

It gets tiring going over this crap again and again. Pionk was pretty much thrown into the deep end of the pool to swim for the first time ever. The first half of the year he was around 25 minutes a game. That's outrageous time on ice for a second year pro--let alone a smallish and undrafted second year pro.

To me Pionk is kind of like Torey Krug. Play him in the right situations and you have a good player. Overuse him constantly and put him in situations that play to his weaknesses and he's not going to be so great. The problem this year was more about the composition of our D--and particularly how it was composed on our right side. Three smallish puck moving D with defensive issues and Pionk was the one they threw into battle first and they kind of left him there for a really long time. So when he looked like the dazed survivor of some major catastrophe afterwards--some people point the finger and say what the f***'s the matter with him? I can't imagine the Kings were playing Doughty in his first full NHL season 25 minutes a game and in all situations.

Pionk is an NHL player. On a better team he would have started off on the bottom pairing with the idea that he'd eventually work himself up to the second pair...and maybe that would take a couple/three years. That's where his upside ends IMO. To me---more the issue is Kevin Shattenkirk who is making over $6.5 mil per and yet Pionk was getting the much harder minutes. Shattenkirk is our highest paid defender. He needs to start showing it.

 

[Ola]

It gets tiring going over this crap again and again. Pionk was pretty much thrown into the deep end of the pool to swim for the first time ever. The first half of the year he was around 25 minutes a game. That's outrageous time on ice for a second year pro--let
alone a smallish and undrafted second year pro.

To me Pionk is kind of like Torey Krug. Play him in the right situations and you have a good player. Overuse him constantly and put him in situations that play to his weaknesses and he's not going to be so great. The problem this year was more about the composition of our D--and particularly how it was composed on our right side. Three smallish puck moving D with defensive issues and Pionk was the one they threw into battle first and they kind of left him there for a really long time. So when he looked like the dazed survivor of some major catastrophe afterwards--some people point the finger and say what the ****'s the matter with him? I can't imagine the Kings were playing Doughty in his first full NHL season 25 minutes a game and in all situations.

Pionk is an NHL player. On a better team he would have started off on the bottom pairing with the idea that he'd eventually work himself up to the second pair...and maybe that would take a couple/three years. That's where his upside ends IMO. To me---more the issue is Kevin Shattenkirk who is making over $6.5 mil per and yet Pionk was getting the much harder minutes. Shattenkirk is our highest paid defender. He needs to start showing it.

Exactly.

And especially with defensemens it's very important to find the right pairings. What is Pionk good at? He is very agile, he has a lot of skill with the puck. He is fairly stable overall. His big flaw is that he takes too much time with the puck, and hence give the defense in front of him a second too long to set up for it to be optimal. BUT, this is certainly something that should improve with coaching and experience. Sometimes its great if a defender can turn away from a fore-checker and make a controlled pass. Other times its much better to make the pass right away. Making those decisions is what he can improve the most. And find the right options for his quick passing game, during his 3-4 years in College he hasn't made those quick passes often, it shows.

Put him with a big guy that has a good first pass and whatever else you can find.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think people are too focused on Pionk's mistakes to see the good plays he makes. He had a strong start to the year and trailed off much like most first and 2nd year defensemen. He needs time like every other dman. 100 nhl games doesnt tell the story on a dman. Give him time and hopefully he can get back to how he started the year.

 

[Doctyl]

Who has a higher ceiling Kravtsov or Miller?

Both look really good so far. These three drafts in a row are going to make a huge impact on this franchise. It feels really exciting.

 

[free0717]

Sean Day

this player was billed as having all the tools is size, speed etc but no tool box

I see he had good ECHL #s but not good AHL numbers.

I don't watch the AHL. How did he do this year. Will Sean make it?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Sean Day

this player was billed as having all the tools is size, speed etc but no tool box

I see he had good ECHL #s but not good AHL numbers.

I don't watch the AHL. How did he do this year. Will Sean make it?

Do you mean K'Andre Miller?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This, and a big factor — that you cannot get away from I recon — is that he of course is affected by the hate he gets from his fans. The players are of course aware of that. Imagine if you are a young kid living your dream and making the NHL and getting a big role and ... .... .... .... every time you get of the ice your fans are screaming that you suck. You get the advice to not go on social media. And so forth.

I never get the need to really hate these kids and tear them apart. To construe how they must not only improve, that they aren’t great, into being ‘the worst in the league’.

Like for me it’s one thing with say a Wade Redden. But a kid that basically is a rookie? He got the usage that he did from one very accomplished NHL coach and another rookie NHL coach because he stepped up to the role and grew in it, while the OTHERS did not. That is not his fault. Look at how big issues Brady Skjei has had growing into a bigger role in the NHL. Skjei played RD in college. Why didn’t Brady step up and get the job done going up against the best of the best on a shift by shift basis? Instead Brady struggled with stepping up to a No 3 role. Regressed the more he was used.

From what I've seen and heard, Pionk is very popular with casual fans. It's a small group of analytics guys who bash him. The people going to games just see a young guy, who tries really hard and is basically home-grown (UDFA). Same with Vesey. The majority of fans love these players. Just not the guys like you and me who look at games for more detailed things etc