2017 Offseason Thread 3.0

[AlphaBravo]

If he signs and the kids (Amadio, Vilardi & JAD) all take the expected next step in their development then JC is either moving to the wing or moving for future pieces... Just a feeling, but it would make a move like that easier.....
Kopitar
Carter
Thornton
Lewis

thats really good/great depth at Center... You think Jumbo settles for a 2year/$7-$8 million deal??? oh and of course he'd have to ask ESPN to blur out his image from the body issue

Pearson - Kopitar - Toffoli

Brown - Thornton - Carter

Kempe - Dowd - Brodzinski

Andreoff - Lewis - Nolan

I would say thats an improvement from last season.... Really like the 3rd line in this case although i think Amadio bumps off Down before mid season...

I would move Carter with Kopitar since there is proven chemistry there. My lines would look like this:

Brown-Kopitar-Carter
Pearson-Thornton-Toffoli

During the playoffs, I would spread things out:

Brown-Kopitar-Toffoli
Pearson-Carter-Kempe
Brodzinski-Thornton-Gaborik
Lewis-Dowd-Andreof

 

[kings11]

His preference is to stay in San Jose but I guess that depends on the term, he want 3 yrs. And from what I've read/heard the last few days, there are a lot of teams talking to Thorton's camp (and why wouldn't there be) including the penguins.


also Marleau is getting a lot of interest. If they're going to sign one of the 2, it will be Big Joe I think



also worth noting that both players are turning 38 and

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/thornton-marleau-now-permitted-speak-other-teams

Doesn't really matter what teams are talking to him, its a known fact that he will not uproot his family from CA, so its either the Shorks, Quacks or Kings.... I would love to weaken the Shorks...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Can anyone afford Doughty if the number is $12 M? What teams would he want to play for? What team might be desperate enough to sell the farm to get him. If the Kings turn things around enough this year he may well want to stay in LA. Pay him the $10 M and trade Kopitar instead.

Any team not named Ottawa or maybe deep teams like Nashville would beg to have a player like Doughty even with the cost. 30 min a game at the kind of impact he has...people were hard on him last year but without him and Carter/Pearson we're a lottery team. They enabled us into a black hole

Maybe we're spoiled by him but look around the league at their #1 D options. there's a reason many of them spread the minutes around more than we do.

Thornton on a two year, high cap hit contract is perfect for this team. When healthy, he is a game changing center, as we saw in the 2015 playoffs. He instantly makes us competitors, and for a two year contract, it does not jeopardize our future.

Also, with Thornton in the 2C role for two years, it gives our prospects time to develop and crack the NHL roster by the time his contract expires. Further, during those two years, we can continue to draft players with our first and second round picks instead of trading them for rentals.

Thornton as a 2C/3C and on the PP gives us a lot of punch/flexibility even in decline. If the org is going for it still, I don't see any way you DONT give him a couple of years.

 

[kingsboy11]

I'm really hesitant on signing Thornton after he's done recovering from his ACL injury especially on a 2-3 year deal. Marleau on the other hand I would really enjoy signing. No doubt that Thornton would be a good signing for any team, but at 38 years old and coming off a significant injury and wanting a 3 year contract is scary.

 

[lexlavender]

Any potential Thornton signing by the Kings would be for less than two years or for nothing. Having a 6-7mil 41 year old to offload when resigning Doughty would be a Nightmare.

That being said, even a declining Thornton probably wouldn't hurt your team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah I wouldn't go 3. But I'd have zero problem offering him 2.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Even with his "down year" Thornton would have still ranked third on the Kings in terms of points and first in assists. He's a smart player that can evolve his game even though he's slowing down. Plus his impact on the younger guys would be huge.

I'd go 3 MAX for the right price though I'd prefer 2.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm really hesitant on signing Thornton after he's done recovering from his ACL injury especially on a 2-3 year deal. Marleau on the other hand I would really enjoy signing. No doubt that Thornton would be a good signing for any team, but at 38 years old and coming off a significant injury and wanting a 3 year contract is scary.

Completely agree with you on Marleau. He's extremely durable, having not missed a single game since 2008-09. He also has had seasons of 27 and 25 goals in the past two years, and he can still skate and likes to shoot the puck, which is exactly the type of winger that Kopitar needs to play with.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Well it's settled, we'll buy them in bulk and save.

 

[kings11]

Correct, going 3 years would prove problematic for various reasons, DD contract, Amadio, Vilari and JAD will either be ready or close to it, and he's freakin 37 going on 38 YO....

CapFriendly magic again... could we possibly sign both Thornton and Kulikov???

Pearson - Kopitar - Toffoli

Brown - Thornton - Carter... JT signed 2Y/$9 mill

Kempe - Dowd - Brodzinski... until Amadio is ready

Andreoff - Shore - Lewis

Gaborik LTIR, trade Nolan and Clifford, if Amadio proves ready, trade Down

Forbort - Doughty

Muzzin - LaDue

Kulikov - Martinez... DK signed to 3Y/$9 mill

Gravel - Fantenberg... battle for 7th

Quick
Campbell

Amadio, Wagner, Mersch, Imama and MacDermid might make appearances this season and we'd still have $1.4 million in cap space...

 

[KINGS17]

Well it's settled, we'll buy them in bulk and save.

Saw an ad for them in the junk mail for Costco. My wife is on her way down there to buy two cases of ex-Sharks.

We have no room for them, and they'll probably reach their expiration date before we use half of it, but hey we saved money.

 

[kings11]

Completely agree with you on Marleau. He's extremely durable, having not missed a single game since 2008-09. He also has had seasons of 27 and 25 goals in the past two years, and he can still skate and likes to shoot the puck, which is exactly the type of winger that Kopitar needs to play with.

You could also say we have that in Carter if JT signs here and JC moves to the wing... I think Jeff Carter's ability to play both C/RW at a high level affords us the ability to take a calculated gamble on a Joe Thornton.... either way both love CA and are likely to sign with one of the trifectas..

 

[BallPointHammer]

Any team not named Ottawa or maybe deep teams like Nashville would beg to have a player like Doughty even with the cost. 30 min a game at the kind of impact he has...people were hard on him last year but without him and Carter/Pearson we're a lottery team. They enabled us into a black hole

Maybe we're spoiled by him but look around the league at their #1 D options. there's a reason many of them spread the minutes around more than we do.

Thornton as a 2C/3C and on the PP gives us a lot of punch/flexibility even in decline. If the org is going for it still, I don't see any way you DONT give him a couple of years.

I hope DD stays with Kings until he retires. He's a special player. I think there are teams that would trade for Kopitar, but the problem would be his accepting it.

I would not give any player 35 or older more than a 1 year contract and it would have to be at a discount - no more of this $6-7 M business.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Saw an ad for them in the junk mail for Costco. My wife is on her way down there to buy two cases of ex-Sharks.

We have no room for them, and they'll probably reach their expiration date before we use half of it, but hey we saved money.

Like when you buy the giant jug of shampoo and you get the conditioner sample pouch free.

Or better yet, shaving cream and a few free razors.

 

[BigKing]

Love all these winners being tossed around here this off-season. I know there are more players that never win a Cup than those that do, but it seems the big names being tossed around here are kind of synonymous with never winning the big one.

That being said, more interested in Marleau than Thornton due to speed. Would take both on a two-year just for the PP benefits alone.

Marleau/11/Toffoli
Pearson/Thornton/Carter
Whatever x 6

Give Thornton two guys that can skate on his line. Add some speed and finish to Kopitar's line in Marleau.

 

[kings11]

Love all these winners being tossed around here this off-season. I know there are more players that never win a Cup than those that do, but it seems the big names being tossed around here are kind of synonymous with never winning the big one.

That being said, more interested in Marleau than Thornton due to speed. Would take both on a two-year just for the PP benefits alone.

Marleau/11/Toffoli
Pearson/Thornton/Carter
Whatever x 6

Give Thornton two guys that can skate on his line. Add some speed and finish to Kopitar's line in Marleau.

Trade Dowd for a pick and ice
Brown - Kempe - Brodzinski as the 3rd line???? or Marleau/Kulikov or Thornton/Kulikov... Lets see what magic Blake can conjure up with his old teammates.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Love all these winners being tossed around here this off-season. I know there are more players that never win a Cup than those that do, but it seems the big names being tossed around here are kind of synonymous with never winning the big one.

That's been said about so many countless players. Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille, Marion Gaborik, Alex Mogilny, Jeff Carter, Rob Blake, Dave Andreychuk, etc. Then they joined good teams where they were put in a better position to succeed and got their names on the Stanley Cup.

They're good players who can still produce and can help any team, especially one that is trying to make the playoffs.

 

[BigKing]

That's been said about so many countless players. Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille, Marion Gaborik, Alex Mogilny, Jeff Carter, Rob Blake, Dave Andreychuk, etc. Then they joined good teams where they were put in a better position to succeed and got their names on the Stanley Cup.

They're good players who can still produce and can help any team, especially one that is trying to make the playoffs.

I get it...still amusing.

More amusing to me, perhaps, since I find Shattenkirk to be Cup kryptonite. Can't imagine my team paying that guy a ton of money and term. He fits what you are saying above except, when the playoffs start, he can only help the team playing against him.

Just an observation that the UFA class is lacking in Cup pedigree, although I guess it makes sense when only six (?) franchises have won since 2007.

 

[PerdFan]

I would look to Nashville as the ideal trading partner for any deal involving Carter. Young goalie already backing up in the NHL and some other good young forwards there.

Pred fan stopping in. Carter and Nashville would be a no-go. The whole Jeff Carter/Peter Laviolette "Dry Island" thing makes that a non starter. Maybe they let by-gones be by-gones, but I doubt it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I get it...still amusing.

More amusing to me, perhaps, since I find Shattenkirk to be Cup kryptonite. Can't imagine my team paying that guy a ton of money and term. He fits what you are saying above except, when the playoffs start, he can only help the team playing against him.

Just an observation that the UFA class is lacking in Cup pedigree, although I guess it makes sense when only six (?) franchises have won since 2007.

The problem with Shattenkirk, least from what I saw in Washington, is that they banked on him to be this amazing #1 defenseman, which he never has been and never will be. It's like the Rangers adding Yandle. He'll help you in certain areas, but he's not going to make some amazing defensive plays in his own end of the ice. He'd be a better add to a team that needs offense from the blueline.

Someone is going to grossly overpay for his services and regret that decision.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The problem with Shattenkirk, least from what I saw in Washington, is that they banked on him to be this amazing #1 defenseman, which he never has been and never will be. It's like the Rangers adding Yandle. He'll help you in certain areas, but he's not going to make some amazing defensive plays in his own end of the ice. He'd be a better add to a team that needs offense from the blueline.

Someone is going to grossly overpay for his services and regret that decision.

Those two were great examples of advanced stats gone wrong.

These guys are crushing 2nd pairing competition as offensive specialists! Why won't any team give them a chance as all situations #1s, since they're clearly misused?

Then come the excuses, the 'all defensemen make mistakes' platitudes, etc.

whoops.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Blues proved that they didn't need Shattenkirk after the success they had without him. I can't believe some team out there is going to pay Shattenkirk over $6M. Doughty is worth double that price if that's what Shattenkirk gets.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The Blues proved that they didn't need Shattenkirk after the success they had without him. I can't believe some team out there is going to pay Shattenkirk over $6M. Doughty is worth double that price if that's what Shattenkirk gets.

Like anything, it's all about timing. Who is the better defensemen available that only costs a contract? Right shot, 28, and offense is offense. If every player was a UFA, maybe Shattenkirk doesn't get $6m. More demand than supply though.

 

[KINGS17]

Pred fan stopping in. Carter and Nashville would be a no-go. The whole Jeff Carter/Peter Laviolette "Dry Island" thing makes that a non starter. Maybe they let by-gones be by-gones, but I doubt it.

Ancient history. Carter is a completely different player than when he was in Philadelphia.

Carter is a player the Preds sure could have used in the SCF.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Thornton solves 3 problems with the Kings. He makes it possible to move Carter to top line winger fixing one gaping hole on Kopitar's wing. The other wing will have to be filled by Brown or Gaborik by default. Thornton also gives the Kings depth down the middle with Kopitar, Thornton and Carter available to be moved back to center in case of injury to Kopitar or Thornton. And Joe's ability to distribute the puck is better than Carter, which isn't a knock on Carter, the guy brought his A game every night last season and deserves to be on the top line. I can see the Kings giving Joe 2 year, 10 million. This is the salary cap era, you cannot just point to a player and say we want that guy at that amount-you have to make the best of the current situation. The Kings cannot be caught without a chair when the music stops like they were last summer.