2017 Offseason Thread 3.0

[SettlementRichie10]

Kings are 100% in the driver's seat in a Doughty trade. Almost every team in the league will be lining up with their best offers.

If Blake asks for Marner and Lou says no, Blake will move on, as he should.

There is no trade to any team - sans Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and Ottawa - in which Dought isn't the best player in the deal by FAR.

If Lou is serious about bringing in a player of Doughty's caliber, he will need to part with some previously "untouchable" players. That's just the way it is.

 

[Legionnaire]

It's going to take more than an offseason for Blake to fix the mess he inherited.

You mean a mess most GM's in the league will kill for? #1 C, #D, and #1 G is pretty easy to build around.

 

[Rorschach]

You mean a mess most GM's in the league will kill for? #1 C, #D, and #1 G is pretty easy to build around.

Plus a 2C, a 2D and some good role players...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You mean a mess most GM's in the league will kill for? #1 C, #D, and #1 G is pretty easy to build around.

There barely are any assets to trade or a position of strength to address a weakness. They have a weakness at every position: center/wing/defense/goaltending, they all lack depth.

 

[YP44]

You mean a mess most GM's in the league will kill for? #1 C, #D, and #1 G is pretty easy to build around.

ding ding ding.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Marner is not getting dealt. I just don't see it. He's Matthews wing man for years to come. Babcock loves the kid and had him out there in all kinds of situations this past season. He's only going to continue to get better under Babcock's wing. Sky is the limit for him.

I'm sure if Doughty ever became available the Leafs would be front and centre but if Blake asked for Marner as part of any deal, Lou tells him to cross that name off his list.

Another strong prospect to consider is Travis Dermott. I totally forgot about him. I'm jealous of the Leafs. They have done a real good job of sticking to their blueprint and stocking that prospect cupboard. They certainly have enough trade chips when the time comes to go all in.

Everyone says Matthews, Marner and Nylander are 3 untouchables.
And then people start talking about packages that include Connor Brown.
He is an underrated player. Why does everyone skip over Kadri?
He had a breakthrough season with 32 goals. If DD is dealt to the
Leafs, it will have to include serious equity. It's not like the Kings
are forced into this from a point of weakness.

 

[kingsfan28]

Yep. I got no issues with him differing to his scouting staff at the draft.

Please do not overpay for anyone in FA. Let someone else take the poison pill on handing out a lavish contract to a Alzner, Shattenkirk, Hanzal, etc.

All three will be overpaid, especially Shattenkirk. Start at 6 mil and work your way forward.

 

[TruKingFan]

Yeah no kidding, we drafted a 17 year old kid. Seems a little early to be banging the "Blake is a god, Lombardi's a knob" drum.

Some people here are just suckers at every opportunity to diss Lombardi. 2 Cups baby.

 

[kingsfan28]

To be fair, Blake said he came late to the process and deferred to the scouts.

Lombardi doesn't get blame/credit around here for the Bernier draft. If that's the accepted storyline, then Blake is in the same boat for this draft.

I don't see it that way. The difference is Lombardi was going off of Taylors scouts [ Al Murray, the man who found a way to screw up the 2003 draft.], not his. Blake has been in the org and around these scouts for years and knew what their process was.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Yep. I got no issues with him differing to his scouting staff at the draft.

Please do not overpay for anyone in FA. Let someone else take the poison pill on handing out a lavish contract to a Alzner, Shattenkirk, Hanzal, etc.

I don't get why so many people are complaining (not just on this site) that Blake is leaning on various people within the organization like he's some kind of nobody. Regardless of all his past contract nonsense, he's a really smart dude that knows what he's doing and is well spoken. The whole reason you have so many scouts, analysts, etc is to have specific people who do specific roles the best. Blake doesn't need to be the guy that does it all nor do I want him to be.

Not to **** on Dean again, but I wonder how much he went astray when they reached for picks like Teubert. We'll never truly know, but I definitely wonder. Keep it simple, don't be stupid. I'm so glad they didn't try to get fancy and reach on Friday.

There are no truly game breaking players available. All those players will get overpaid. I'd rather not do anything than overpay on some overrated player or sign a handful of nobodies that will be waived in two months. Just stand pat and possibly sell at the deadline. As of now, this should be a reloading year because no proper opportunities have presented themselves.

 

[johnjm22]

Not to **** on Dean again, but I wonder how much he went astray when they reached for picks like Teubert. We'll never truly know, but I definitely wonder. Keep it simple, don't be stupid. I'm so glad they didn't try to get fancy and reach on Friday.

I wouldn't say the Kings reached on Teubert. As I recall most analyst had him going in the 1st round in the 10th-15th range.

There are no truly game breaking players available. All those players will get overpaid. I'd rather not do anything than overpay on some overrated player or sign a handful of nobodies that will be waived in two months. Just stand pat and possibly sell at the deadline. As of now, this should be a reloading year because no proper opportunities have presented themselves.

What's wrong with signing a handful of nobodies? There's no risk to it all. If they all suck it's no big deal. If you get lucky and one of them turns out to be good then you get a free asset.

There were lots of UFA's that signed cheap short term deals last off season that ended up contributing for their teams.

It's the guys like Alzner, Oshie, Radulov, Bonino ect. that you want to stay away from. All overrated. All looking for big long term contracts. If you can sign Sam Gagner for 1 year at ~1.5M I don't see the problem.

 

[saintsnsoldiers]

Development Camp starts today, is anyone going to go, any info would be sweet.

 

[deeshamrock]

Kings are 100% in the driver's seat in a Doughty trade. Almost every team in the league will be lining up with their best offers.

If Blake asks for Marner and Lou says no, Blake will move on, as he should.

There is no trade to any team - sans Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and Ottawa - in which Dought isn't the best player in the deal by FAR.

If Lou is serious about bringing in a player of Doughty's caliber, he will need to part with some previously "untouchable" players. That's just the way it is.

Disagree. Almost every team in the NHL would love to have him, but can't see many that can carry the 12M or so he'll want Just not easy for most teams.
Think finding a true trading partner won't be easy, esp given the asking price.
I'm sure the leafs would love to have him, but signing Matthews should be their top priority and if they pay him $$$$, can't give DD 12, not with the other contracts, would really handcuff them.

 

[fsanford]

Disagree. Almost every team in the NHL would love to have him, but can't see many that can carry the 12M or so he'll want Just not easy for most teams.
Think finding a true trading partner won't be easy, esp given the asking price.
I'm sure the leafs would love to have him, but signing Matthews should be their top priority and if they pay him $$$$, can't give DD 12, not with the other contracts, would really handcuff them.

This. Most teams are gonna be in a cap conundrum if they have any kind of quality forwards/dmen. Especially if cap does not go up considerably in the next few years.
Also doesn't Karlsson's deal expire same time as Doughty? That would certainly add an interesting twist, in a variety of ways. The irony is Ottawa has 2 really bad contracts on the books too, they may even be slightly worse than what the Kings have, though that could be up for debate.

Look today and see what up and coming contending team could actually afford to sign Doughty or Karlsson for that matter.


Buffalo needs to re-up Eichel, Oilers 22 million for 2 guys at least,
Price has a new dealing coming in Montreal.

Matthews in Toronto.
Lots of teams will have some really big contracts hitting the books soon.

Guess will see what happens with Brown and Gabby this year, how they perform will tell us what the future holds. Buyouts, trades, etc.

 

[deeshamrock]

Nor can you assume that "doing nothing" is in fact doing nothing. How long have people been saying they have to let the young guys play? Well, if that's what ends up happening, that is doing something. That's taking as big of a chance as making this or that trade/signing.

Yes, it is and I think if they had a stronger prospect pool , there wouldn't be rumors that they are shopping for a legit top 6 winger. I think it will be a very active training camp and they will bring a couple forwards from the Reign to the team next year. But being the Kings top prospect and an NHL top prospect isn't the same thing. And the division and conf. they are in, a lot of those teams got better.

Luc and Blake are trying to right the ship, and did very well in the draft. But it will take a few years to make all the improvements they need to be elite/cup contender. But bringing a couples of the kids up along with a new coach and fresh air will definitely help.

And maybe they are one of the 'more than a dozen teams' that reached out to Jordan Weal. I love him, and really want him to sign in Philly but I understand that some of those teams might be in a better position, legit contender, or deep playoff run, and that might tip his hand. From what the local guys said, the Flyers and Weal agreed on term awhile ago but not on $$.
He's doing interviews this week

 

[johnjm22]

Whenever a great player is traded rarely is the return worth it. Usually the return is a bunch of decent assets, none of which end of being worth player you gave up.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Whenever a great player is traded rarely is the return worth it. Usually the return is a bunch of decent assets, none of which end of being worth player you gave up.

I liked Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene. Missed Vis' offense, but Stoll solidified 3rd center and Greene brought a physical presence and was good the first few years.
Both brought leadership too.

Nichols for Sandstrom and Granato was pretty good. Gave 99 two very good wingers
that he needed. Before that, they were putting a hodge podge of wings with him...
Igor Liba, Byslma a few games. bleh.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I liked Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene. Missed Vis' offense, but Stoll solidified 3rd center and Greene brought a physical presence and was good the first few years.
Both brought leadership too.

Nichols for Sandstrom and Granato was pretty good. Gave 99 two very good wingers
that he needed. Before that, they were putting a hodge podge of wings with him...
Igor Liba, Byslma a few games. bleh.

At the time Stoll was our 2nd line center.

Kopitar/Stoll/Handzus

 

[Johnny Utah]

Someone posted that the best move the Kings could do is no move, great answer.

LA has been horrible at luring big name free agents and it seems even the no names UFA's end up being terrible (Purcell, Latta, etc). The Kings only seem to do well taking guys who people considered washed up and re-inventing them, ie Mathieu Schneider years ago. Or like Willie Mitchell.

Blake should focus on dealing some of the dead weight on the roster, ie someone in the trio of Nolan, Andreoff, and Clifford. Also, we don't need both Dowd and Shore.

Mersch, Auger and MacDermid need to clear waivers, so there is already competition and a loaded roster. I would rather have cheap youth than some old, overpaid or terrible UFA's.

 

[kings11]

Now that our draft is over and it was a huge success BTW, how will the FO look at building the team going forwards... Meaning now that we draft 2 Centers Gabriel Vilardi and J.A.D.( one top 3 ranked and the other a 1st rounder who fell) plus Michael Amadio who seems like he will debut this season, do we strictly look at the wings of would we dare go after a Bonino or Boyle and potentially block on of the kids????
If we Forecast/predict/hope what this team will look like in 2-3 years, things could really be interesting...

Pearson - Kopitar - Toffoli
J.A.D - Amadio - Brown
Kempe - Vilardi - Brodzinski
Watson - ????? - ?????

Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - LaDue
Gravel - Martinez
Reddekop - Clague
Roy - Moverare

Quick
?????

2018-19' season we are projected to have $13.1 million in cap space and in 2019-20' we'd be at $21.6 million... add in the fact that i'd would trade Carter at this deadline regardless of were we stand and we'd increase next seasons cap space by that amount...

Jeff Carter, is the ideal trade candidate/target for playoff teams looking to take the next step or for those young teams knocking on the door needing adding scoring and leadership....

JC for a 1st round pick, top prospect and if possible a mid round pick the following year...

 

[KINGS17]

Disagree. Almost every team in the NHL would love to have him, but can't see many that can carry the 12M or so he'll want Just not easy for most teams.
Think finding a true trading partner won't be easy, esp given the asking price.
I'm sure the leafs would love to have him, but signing Matthews should be their top priority and if they pay him $$$$, can't give DD 12, not with the other contracts, would really handcuff them.

Yes, the cap hit Doughty's contract will have will limit the number of true trading partners.

However, IF the Kings were to trade Doughty, it would signal a rebuild and the Kings could afford to take back a short term albatross contract from the team with which they are making the deal.

Lots of options, just have to get creative. The objective for the Kings in any kind of deal involving Doughty is to get three good young players on lower cost contracts which would be cost controlled for a number of years.

Same goes for Carter if the Kings move him at some point.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Now that our draft is over and it was a huge success BTW, how will the FO look at building the team going forwards... Meaning now that we draft 2 Centers Gabriel Vilardi and J.A.D.( one top 3 ranked and the other a 1st rounder who fell) plus Michael Amadio who seems like he will debut this season, do we strictly look at the wings of would we dare go after a Bonino or Boyle and potentially block on of the kids????
If we Forecast/predict/hope what this team will look like in 2-3 years, things could really be interesting...

Pearson - Kopitar - Toffoli
J.A.D - Amadio - Brown
Kempe - Vilardi - Brodzinski
Watson - ????? - ?????

Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - LaDue
Gravel - Martinez
Reddekop - Clague
Roy - Moverare

Quick
?????

2018-19' season we are projected to have $13.1 million in cap space and in 2019-20' we'd be at $21.6 million... add in the fact that i'd would trade Carter at this deadline regardless of were we stand and we'd increase next seasons cap space by that amount...

Jeff Carter, is the ideal trade candidate/target for playoff teams looking to take the next step or for those young teams knocking on the door needing adding scoring and leadership....

JC for a 1st round pick, top prospect and if possible a mid round pick the following year...

I don't think this Kings administration will trade Jeff Carter this offseason. Based on rumors and public statements they made when they took over, they are still working on bringing a top 6 forward to improve the team's scoring.

However, if getting close to the trade deadline, we are near the bottom with Vegas, I think its definitely a possibility that the Kings trade Carter for a younger forward, possibly on his ELC. Also, I think if this Kings team simply cannot compete with the new and improved Calgary, Edmonton, and others, next summer Doughty can be dealt as well.

Although it would appear to be a rebuild if this happens, it could be a quasi-retool. If we get young forwards/defenseman in return for Carter and Doughty, and we continue to use our first round picks to restock the cupboard, this team could be competitive again in 3 years. I think Kopitar will still be effective by then, but possibly in a 2C role if we are fortunate enough to find a 1C in the draft.

 

[johnjm22]

I liked Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene. Missed Vis' offense, but Stoll solidified 3rd center and Greene brought a physical presence and was good the first few years.
Both brought leadership too.

Nichols for Sandstrom and Granato was pretty good. Gave 99 two very good wingers
that he needed. Before that, they were putting a hodge podge of wings with him...
Igor Liba, Byslma a few games. bleh.

I love Visnovsky, but I don't place him in the great category. Trading Doughty would be like trading Pronger or Blake. Both got nice returns, but in the end Ana/Col were better off easily compared to Edm/LA.

 

[kings11]

Yes, the cap hit Doughty's contract will have will limit the number of true trading partners.

However, IF the Kings were to trade Doughty, it would signal a rebuild and the Kings could afford to take back a short term albatross contract from the team with which they are making the deal.

Lots of options, just have to get creative. The objective for the Kings in any kind of deal involving Doughty is to get three good young players on lower cost contracts which would be cost controlled for a number of years.

Same goes for Carter if the Kings move him at some point.

This is what i mean by assets management, people think we should only get/settle for prospects and picks. The reality is we need/should also look at established players who could also be flipped later for additional assets....

Toronto... Kadri, Kapanen & 1st or Marner, Kapanen & 2nd for Drew Doughty would be my requirement..

for Jeff Carter i'd love to get Jesse Puljujarvi.... If we do this we'd trickle in Amadio, Puljujarvi, Vilardi and Watson over the next 2 seasons....

 

[KingCanadain1976]

This is what i mean by assets management, people think we should only get/settle for prospects and picks. The reality is we need/should also look at established players who could also be flipped later for additional assets....

Toronto... Kadri, Kapanen & 1st or Marner, Kapanen & 2nd for Drew Doughty would be my requirement..

for Jeff Carter i'd love to get Jesse Puljujarvi.... If we do this we'd trickle in Amadio, Puljujarvi, Vilardi and Watson over the next 2 seasons....

any deal with the leafs would have to include lingren coming back