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Isles fan coming in peace...

Just curious, is Carter available???
If so, what do the Kings need???
 
It would be very strange to see both/one of Marleau and Thornton in LA.

The strange thing is that it could work for a couple of years.

Doubt they would take that much of a pay cut.

Marleau Kopi Brown
Pearson Carter Toffoli
Kempe Thornton Brodzinski
Clifford Shore Lewis

Slide Gabby in when healthy
 
The Tikkanen said:
Thornton solves 3 problems with the Kings. He makes it possible to move Carter to top line winger fixing one gaping hole on Kopitar's wing. The other wing will have to be filled by Brown or Gaborik by default. Thornton also gives the Kings depth down the middle with Kopitar, Thornton and Carter available to be moved back to center in case of injury to Kopitar or Thornton. And Joe's ability to distribute the puck is better than Carter, which isn't a knock on Carter, the guy brought his A game every night last season and deserves to be on the top line. I can see the Kings giving Joe 2 year, 10 million. This is the salary cap era, you cannot just point to a player and say we want that guy at that amount-you have to make the best of the current situation. The Kings cannot be caught without a chair when the music stops like they were last summer.
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I am not advocating signing Thornton, but if it did come to pass, Carter might be more effective on Thornton's wing. Thornton can dish it, and Carter can shoot it.
 
Le Grec said:
Isles fan coming in peace...

Just curious, is Carter available???
If so, what do the Kings need???
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If you’re Detroit, Los Angeles, Montreal, San Jose, Tampa Bay or Toronto (although I’m not sure it can actually work there anymore), aren’t you waiting to see where this is going?
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Emphasis added.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-islanders-working-hard-john-tavares-extension-pitch/

Kings were able to sign toffoli and Pearson for over $1.5 million less than what was being tossed around at this point last year. Kings actually have over $5 million in cap space now after signing our RFAs. Kings just had a great draft.

It's possible we can fit Tavares in as a UFA just by dumping Clifford's contract. Even with Brown and Gaborik still here.

2018-2019
$5.5 million space now
$1 million from clifford trade and replace with ELC
$950,000 nolan expires- can still be buried now
$2 million cap adjustment - not impossible since $2 million is what it went up this year

Total= ~$9.5 million

Buy out or trade Gaborik for even more space if necessary. So the kings can fit him in as a UFA. The only question is if the kings have the assets to trade for him earlier than that.
 
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KINGS17 said:
I am not advocating signing Thornton, but if it did come to pass, Carter might be more effective on Thornton's wing. Thornton can dish it, and Carter can shoot it.
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Pearson-Kopitar-Brown
Carter-Thornton-Toffoli

Would be a pretty lethal top 2 provided we get the bounce back season without the Sutter Shackles. That 2nd line would be pretty tough to stop and you still have Gaborik on the 3d line.
 
What about trading Martinez for Tatar/Nyquist plus signing Alzner and Yakupov.

Tatar--Kopitar--Yakupov
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Brown--Kempe--Brodz
Clifford--Dowd--Lewis

Muzzin--Doughty
Alzner--LaDue
Forbort--Gravel

Quick
Campbell
 
Listening to Caps fans talk about Alzner will make you think twice about wanting to sign him. By the sound of it, his next contract will be ending in a buyout.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
What about trading Martinez for Tatar/Nyquist plus signing Alzner and Yakupov.

Tatar--Kopitar--Yakupov
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Brown--Kempe--Brodz
Clifford--Dowd--Lewis

Muzzin--Doughty
Alzner--LaDue
Forbort--Gravel

Quick
Campbell
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Yak no and you don't throw away Martinez for Tatar..We need a Drouin young type fwd.
 
deaderhead28 said:
Yak no and you don't throw away Martinez for Tatar..We need a Drouin young type fwd.
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It's not throwing away Martinez. LA would be getting back a 26 year old winger to play in the Top6. LA can't afford to trade for a Drouin type fwd. Yakupov would be that style of talent and coming in for free at a low cost controlled price.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
What about trading Martinez for Tatar/Nyquist plus signing Alzner and Yakupov.

Tatar--Kopitar--Yakupov
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Brown--Kempe--Brodz
Clifford--Dowd--Lewis

Muzzin--Doughty
Alzner--LaDue
Forbort--Gravel

Quick
Campbell
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Yakupov in the top 6 😂😂😂. Very bad idea. Alzner is a declining player not the type of guy I hope to see us sign.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
It's not throwing away Martinez. LA would be getting back a 26 year old winger to play in the Top6. LA can't afford to trade for a Drouin type fwd. Yakupov would be that style of talent and coming in for free at a low cost controlled price.
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I don't think you've seen Yakupov play recently. He is not the player you are describing or believe him to be.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
What about trading Martinez for Tatar/Nyquist plus signing Alzner and Yakupov.

Tatar--Kopitar--Yakupov
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Brown--Kempe--Brodz
Clifford--Dowd--Lewis

Muzzin--Doughty
Alzner--LaDue
Forbort--Gravel

Quick
Campbell
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I quite like the proposal of Artturi lehkonen for Martinez. A 21 yr old LW that put up 18 goals in 73 for the habs (and 2 goals 2 assists in 6 playoff games). A cheap elc contract that would allow more moves if needed.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I don't think you've seen Yakupov play recently. He is not the player you are describing or believe him to be.
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He still has the talent, you can see it. The problem is that the coaches are trying to make him a 2-way guy. Making him focus on the defensive side of the game. That is not what makes him go. He needs to be in a offensive role with a Center that can help him. Something the Kings have in Kopitar and Carter.

In St. Louis he wasn't getting those offensive roles and was put in the bottom 6 lines with no min and bad centers. Which wasn't going to help his game improve. His confidence is at an all time low.

In Edmonton he played well in his first year and struggled with injuries the next. He got back to his game with McDavid (who wouldn't). He got hurt and lost his spot with McDavid and then struggled with Nuge when healthy. But came on strong at the end of the year with Derek Roy.

He's had a run of bad luck and bad coaching be the dude still has talent. He's going to go somewhere are do well. I hope it is LA because they need some offensive skill.
 
I liken Yakupov to Filatov. They intended to be successful here, but their inability to adapt makes them suffer. That's what separates guys like Kovalchuk, Panarin, Anisimov, Kucherov to the likes of Yakupov, Filatov, Chistov, Smirnov, etc.
 
I'll take Yak on a tryout.

As for Alzner, read this:
Caps defenseman Karl Alzner shared some insight into his life that is both humorous and sad. After a 14-year hockey career, the 28-year-old defenseman is unable to open jars.

On blocking shots:
“The ones that get you inside the knee usually don’t feel good because you can’t really do a whole lot,†Alzner said. “They just send that shooting pain down your leg and you start hobbling around a little bit. Those ones suck.â€Â

“Sometimes where you get hit right in the hand, we have gloves on, but they only protect you a little bit,†Alzner continued. “You get them right in the hand, it’s pretty easy to break something. It’s kind of embarrassing, but my wife (Mandy) is the one who opens up all the jars in our house because my hands have been broken so many times from the shots. I’ve got pretty weak hands now.â€Â

Alzner concluded that getting hit inside or outside the knee can cause a “dead leg feeling†which, in his words, “suck.†Meanwhile, a puck striking the hand can cause “long term†damage.

Alzner has blocked a total of 1,100 shots during his 574-game NHL career.
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https://www.russianmachineneverbrea...ed-shots-karl-alzner-can-no-longer-open-jars/

Does that sound like a guy you want to sign to a big long term contract?
 
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