2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III
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Amazing Kreiderman
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PB has me fully aboard that Zub hype train. Also, Liljegren at 28!?
If we pass up on Liljegren, I am going to start a riot. Liljegren is this years Chychun in my opinion. The reasons he is dropping aren't worrying me
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Omitting the top 2 big dogs, Looks like Woodliefs favorite players at least by his writings are
Glass, Suzuki, Makar, Brannstrom
Style comparisons
Glass - Schiefele
Suzuki - Giroux
Makar - Karlsson
Brannstrom - Karlsson/Letang
Calls Makar the most gifted offensive man in the class. Also mentions Brannstrom as his equal. Like he could go either way but he is super high on both players. Both players he refers to as top ten skaters in the draft.
Hockey IQ for Glass he says is off the charts. Best IQ out of the entire draft.
Raves about Suzuki. Three steps ahead of the opposition in every facet of the game. Best short handed specialist in the draft. I've been on board the Suzuki train since day 1. He is my fav player in this draft as well. As much as he raves about Suzuki he crushed Gadjovich's skating ability. "Skates with snowshoes on" lol. For those that don't know Gadjovich is Suzukis linemate. They reminded me of a Marchand/Lucic type of combo. Gadjovich scored 40 plus goals this season. Redline doesn't see an NHL player here for skating purposes only. He has hands and can score goals down low. Style compares to Steve Bernier. Would love to see what Nick Suzuki could do with Chris Kreider on his wing. Too bad Rangers won't be in a spot to draft him unless some crazy trade happens. At the start of the season his ranking was well within the NYR draft position. Not so much anymore.
On Liljegren, Redline argues he is among the best pure skaters in the draft. Also crushes him on his decision making. "Makes lots of mind-numbing mistakes". They compare Liljegren to Tyson Barrie. In addition while they rank Liljegren lower then nearly every scouting service they also admit that they feel he will probably go higher then where they put him. In 2 mocks, one he falls all the way to 21 where NYR select him. They other he goes in the teens.
Glass, Suzuki, Makar, Brannstrom
Style comparisons
Glass - Schiefele
Suzuki - Giroux
Makar - Karlsson
Brannstrom - Karlsson/Letang
Calls Makar the most gifted offensive man in the class. Also mentions Brannstrom as his equal. Like he could go either way but he is super high on both players. Both players he refers to as top ten skaters in the draft.
Hockey IQ for Glass he says is off the charts. Best IQ out of the entire draft.
Raves about Suzuki. Three steps ahead of the opposition in every facet of the game. Best short handed specialist in the draft. I've been on board the Suzuki train since day 1. He is my fav player in this draft as well. As much as he raves about Suzuki he crushed Gadjovich's skating ability. "Skates with snowshoes on" lol. For those that don't know Gadjovich is Suzukis linemate. They reminded me of a Marchand/Lucic type of combo. Gadjovich scored 40 plus goals this season. Redline doesn't see an NHL player here for skating purposes only. He has hands and can score goals down low. Style compares to Steve Bernier. Would love to see what Nick Suzuki could do with Chris Kreider on his wing. Too bad Rangers won't be in a spot to draft him unless some crazy trade happens. At the start of the season his ranking was well within the NYR draft position. Not so much anymore.
On Liljegren, Redline argues he is among the best pure skaters in the draft. Also crushes him on his decision making. "Makes lots of mind-numbing mistakes". They compare Liljegren to Tyson Barrie. In addition while they rank Liljegren lower then nearly every scouting service they also admit that they feel he will probably go higher then where they put him. In 2 mocks, one he falls all the way to 21 where NYR select him. They other he goes in the teens.
Aight, i think that ranking is absolutely awful. Some of the stuff in there is just crazy.
The guy has Robertson in the top 10, he's pretty much outside the 1st round everywhere else.
If he compares Brännström to Karlsson/Letang then he hasn't watched much of Brännström, those are pretty lazy and unaccurate comparisons.
Seriously, i think that ranking is a complete mess and any team who pays that guy should save their money.
Like, he bashes Gadjovich for his skating but he has Robertson in the top 10? They're similar players and Robertsons acceleration is painfully slow.
The guy has Robertson in the top 10, he's pretty much outside the 1st round everywhere else.
If he compares Brännström to Karlsson/Letang then he hasn't watched much of Brännström, those are pretty lazy and unaccurate comparisons.
Seriously, i think that ranking is a complete mess and any team who pays that guy should save their money.
Like, he bashes Gadjovich for his skating but he has Robertson in the top 10? They're similar players and Robertsons acceleration is painfully slow.
Anyone who has Pettersson as the 8th best C and Liljegren as the 10th best D-man in this draft is getting called out for being clueless by me.
I don't care if they get paid millions from every single NHL team, this is still awful.
I don't care if they get paid millions from every single NHL team, this is still awful.
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Time will always tell in terms of scouts and scouting services. You are not the first to speak out on his evaluations. What made me a believer in his service is looking back at how he evaluated talent.
I just grabbed an old report from the 06 draft. At the time Rangers draft position was similar to where it is now.
Couple of teams went off the board with picks earlier. Rangers took the podium. Most of the board was screaming for either Bobby Sanguinetti, or Jesse Jonesuu.
Redlines report of Sanguinetti was bang on. Touched on his skating and offensive creativity. That was a given. He put up huge numbers for Owen Sound. But what Woodlief saw was different. He had him pegged as a tweener who was soft, lack decision making. Mentally soft, easily pushed off the puck and actively seemed to avoid contact. Truer words never spoken when he went to pro's. They were the only service that had him as low as they did and they got lambasted for it.
Redline ranked him in late 40's while other services had him up at 10-20.
In addition they also pumped up Giroux, Animov as sure fire can't miss players. Ranked them both much higher in their assessments.
Labeled Giroux as never takes a game or shift off. Best anticipation in the draft. Is often the best player on the ice for either team. He was Bang-on again there.
At the time it sounded rediculous. Sanguine tai was the next Brian Leetch. Yeah, not so much.
I just grabbed an old report from the 06 draft. At the time Rangers draft position was similar to where it is now.
Couple of teams went off the board with picks earlier. Rangers took the podium. Most of the board was screaming for either Bobby Sanguinetti, or Jesse Jonesuu.
Redlines report of Sanguinetti was bang on. Touched on his skating and offensive creativity. That was a given. He put up huge numbers for Owen Sound. But what Woodlief saw was different. He had him pegged as a tweener who was soft, lack decision making. Mentally soft, easily pushed off the puck and actively seemed to avoid contact. Truer words never spoken when he went to pro's. They were the only service that had him as low as they did and they got lambasted for it.
Redline ranked him in late 40's while other services had him up at 10-20.
In addition they also pumped up Giroux, Animov as sure fire can't miss players. Ranked them both much higher in their assessments.
Labeled Giroux as never takes a game or shift off. Best anticipation in the draft. Is often the best player on the ice for either team. He was Bang-on again there.
At the time it sounded rediculous. Sanguine tai was the next Brian Leetch. Yeah, not so much.
Even a blind.... you know 
But seriously, maybe he (they?) is a great scout but i think he's way off on the first round this year.
The thing that really bothers me is that he hyped Robertson while trashing Gadjovich, that's just really weird. Like, how can you justify that?
Also, comparing Brännström to Karlsson/Letang is pretty bad imo, shows he's not really watched Brännström much at all.
But seriously, maybe he (they?) is a great scout but i think he's way off on the first round this year.
The thing that really bothers me is that he hyped Robertson while trashing Gadjovich, that's just really weird. Like, how can you justify that?
Also, comparing Brännström to Karlsson/Letang is pretty bad imo, shows he's not really watched Brännström much at all.
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Red Line is consistently one of the better sources out there. Like that they try to ruffle feathers.
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Another vote for Red Line here. I find their rankings refreshing and a great read every year. I always like reading about their mid and late round sleepers. They hit on those a lot.
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Even a blind.... you know
But seriously, maybe he (they?) is a great scout but i think he's way off on the first round this year.
The thing that really bothers me is that he hyped Robertson while trashing Gadjovich, that's just really weird. Like, how can you justify that?
Also, comparing Brännström to Karlsson/Letang is pretty bad imo, shows he's not really watched Brännström much at all.
The most cooking comparison to Brannstrom I have heard is Timonen
Timonen is pretty good, i also like Ghostisbehere as a comparison. I'll accept a bit of Krug and Campbell aswell
used to get RLR every year but just can't get over their 2003 draft preview that had jessiman as the 4th best player in the draft and compared him to joe thornton LOL
obviously ever draft preview has tons of errors over the years and no one is perfect but as a rangers fan that one just makes me want to kill myself
obviously ever draft preview has tons of errors over the years and no one is perfect but as a rangers fan that one just makes me want to kill myself
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He is. He scored 43 goals this season on a terrible team in the OHL. I would like him if the Rangers had another 1st or early 2nd, but I would be pretty disappointed with him as our only top 90 pick in this draft.
I also have reservations about how his skating will impact his career at the next level. The raw talent seems to be there.
He's pretty good, probably an early 2nd rounder. My big issue is that he praises Robertson and has him top 10 while he completely trashes a very similar player in Gadjovich, both have skating issues.
I'm fine with him liking Robertson, but to trash a similar player with similar issues just makes it super weird.
It's just really hypocritial and rubs me the wrong way.
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To be fair, Gadjovich is more than a year older than Robertson and was on a much better team. I have no stock in either player by the way, I want one of the Euro defensemen, Thomas, or Norris
9 months but point taken, i still think they're very similar players style wise and i think Gadjovich is the better player, age factors in though so i'd rank them very similarly. To have one top 10 and to trash the other one and say he won't be an NHLer is where my beef here is.
I only want Thomas or Norris if we trade back, don't really like either at #21. I want high end skill and upside at #21 and i don't think Norris has that, Thomas is good and i like his playmaking but he's got some big holes in his game aswell.
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I agree. Brannstrom IS Kimmo Timonen. They are the same exact person.
Nevermind, looks like someone already had that covered.
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I agree that the speed of both Robertson and Gadjovich are questionable for a pro game, but Robertson is easily a better talent of Gadjovich. For starters, the comparison of both is a bit off. Both of them are considered power forwards, but Gadjovich is more a feisty, two-way winger than that of Robertson, who is, indeed, a power forward. I think that should've be touched on.
With that said, Robertson has a higher ceiling over Gadjovich. He's powerful and has an extremely good shot along with slippery hands. Gadjovich has a good shot and can also PK, but when watching highlight videos, Gadjovich seems to be a product of Suzuki and Palmu. Robertson held a lot of the offense for a mediocre Kingston team, showing for it with being the top scorer on the team. He had 81 points with 42 goals. The second best player with the highest points was defenseman Stephen Desrocher with 51 points. Gadjovich was forth on Owen Sound in point production with 74 points. The three before him were Palmu, Suzuki and overager Kevin Hancock.
Both of their footwork would need work in order to transition to the pros, but Robertson is easily the better option of the two.
With that said, Robertson has a higher ceiling over Gadjovich. He's powerful and has an extremely good shot along with slippery hands. Gadjovich has a good shot and can also PK, but when watching highlight videos, Gadjovich seems to be a product of Suzuki and Palmu. Robertson held a lot of the offense for a mediocre Kingston team, showing for it with being the top scorer on the team. He had 81 points with 42 goals. The second best player with the highest points was defenseman Stephen Desrocher with 51 points. Gadjovich was forth on Owen Sound in point production with 74 points. The three before him were Palmu, Suzuki and overager Kevin Hancock.
Both of their footwork would need work in order to transition to the pros, but Robertson is easily the better option of the two.
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https://www.nhl.com/news/second-nhl...an-projections-2017/c-289750808?tid=277764372
NHL.com's latest mock drafts....
NYR's picks @ 21
Kimelman
LW: Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City/USHL
"The 5-10, 170-pound forward is an offensive dynamo who was tied for third in the USHL with 30 goals in 52 games. He can execute at high speed and can get his shot off from all areas of the ice. He'll continue to develop his game and add some strength at Boston College next season."
Morreale
C: Shane Bowers, Waterloo/USHL
"Committed to Boston University in 2017-18, the left-handed shot from Halifax, Nova Scotia, had 51 points (22 goals, 29 assists) in 60 games. He plays hard at both ends of the ice and manages his skating with a good change of pace."
Lepage
C: Ryan Poehling, St. Cloud State/NCAA
"The youngest player in the NCAA this season -- he turned 18 on Jan. 3 -- Poehling stood out with his creativity and knack for generating scoring chances at the most important moments. He protects the puck well, and his defensive game improved as the season went along. He had 13 points (seven goals, six assists) in 35 games."
NHL.com's latest mock drafts....
NYR's picks @ 21
Kimelman
LW: Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City/USHL
"The 5-10, 170-pound forward is an offensive dynamo who was tied for third in the USHL with 30 goals in 52 games. He can execute at high speed and can get his shot off from all areas of the ice. He'll continue to develop his game and add some strength at Boston College next season."
Morreale
C: Shane Bowers, Waterloo/USHL
"Committed to Boston University in 2017-18, the left-handed shot from Halifax, Nova Scotia, had 51 points (22 goals, 29 assists) in 60 games. He plays hard at both ends of the ice and manages his skating with a good change of pace."
Lepage
C: Ryan Poehling, St. Cloud State/NCAA
"The youngest player in the NCAA this season -- he turned 18 on Jan. 3 -- Poehling stood out with his creativity and knack for generating scoring chances at the most important moments. He protects the puck well, and his defensive game improved as the season went along. He had 13 points (seven goals, six assists) in 35 games."
I see your points but i don't really agree that Robertson is "easily" the better option, i like Gadjovich better right now, hit shot generation is amazing. I would also very much classify Gadjovich as a Power Forward and i think the comparison between him and Robertson is pretty OK.
I'm fine that someone thinks Robertson is the better prospect though, that's not my beef, my beef is that someone can look at Robertson and Gadjovich and have one in the top 10 while saying the others skating means he won't make the NHL, i don't think much separates their skating at all, i'd give Robertson an edge in top speed but that's about it, his first few strides are just plain ugly.
I'm fine that someone thinks Robertson is the better prospect though, that's not my beef, my beef is that someone can look at Robertson and Gadjovich and have one in the top 10 while saying the others skating means he won't make the NHL, i don't think much separates their skating at all, i'd give Robertson an edge in top speed but that's about it, his first few strides are just plain ugly.
I think there's a 0.01% chance Tolvanen drops to us, tops... I love him though, he's great. Not a fan at all of Bowers, wouldn't pick him top 45, let alone at #21. And Poehling i just don't see the upside at all, don't want
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I think there's a 0.01% chance Tolvanen drops to us, tops... I love him though, he's great. Not a fan at all of Bowers, wouldn't pick him top 45, let alone at #21. And Poehling i just don't see the upside at all, don't want
Let's hope these mocks are wrong
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I think there's a 0.01% chance Tolvanen drops to us, tops... I love him though, he's great. Not a fan at all of Bowers, wouldn't pick him top 45, let alone at #21. And Poehling i just don't see the upside at all, don't want
I would be very happy if we land Tolvanen. I think there is a chance he may still be around at 21...a small one but a chance (and more than a .01%
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