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2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Whatever happened to Khodorenko? He was in a lot of 1st round mocks a year ago, but he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth for some reason.
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Think he had an awful 15-16 season, his stat line looks good this season though given he was one of the youngest players in the NCAA.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Gadjovich is at 3.4 shots/game while Robertson is at 3.1 shots/game, important to note is that Robertson plays over 18 minutes a game while Gadjovich plays under 16 minutes a game, so Gadjovich has a much higher shots/60.

I'm not trying to talk Robertson down here, i'm just arguing that a scout who is super high on Robertson and super low on Gadjovich is being very hypocritical imho.

They both have similar strengths and similar weaknesses, i'm fine ranking Robertson higher because he's younger but not to that extent.
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You have to stop with this hypocritical stuff, the scouts are not purposely trying to sabotage Gadj, Woodlief and others have described him pretty accurately, you just have to understand Woodlief has a bit more bravado to his descriptions for subscriptions sake ;)

Plus, Gadj played with an all star linemate while Robertson was a one man show for Kingston, and was also a beast in the playoffs.

Mac n Gs said:
Don't shoot me when I ask this, but what's the knock on Cal Foote? Not from the perspective of who most people want to draft at 21, i.e., Brannstrom, Yamamoto, etc., but why don't people like the kid? Kelowna cranks out some great defensemen.
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I agree with TRX, nothing fancy, just a solid defender with snarl. People here are talkning Liljegren and Brannstrom, two exciting agile skaters, potential gamebreakers, so of course a guy like Foote might get lost in the shuffle, but he would not be a bad pick at all. I seriously doubt he gets to 21, most of the guys picking all remember his father.
 
Bluenote13 said:
You have to stop with this hypocritical stuff, the scouts are not purposely trying to sabotage Gadj, Woodlief and others have described him pretty accurately, you just have to understand Woodlief has a bit more bravado to his descriptions for subscriptions sake ;)

Plus, Gadj played with an all star linemate while Robertson was a one man show for Kingston, and was also a beast in the playoffs.



I agree with TRX, nothing fancy, just a solid defender with snarl. People here are talkning Liljegren and Brannstrom, two exciting agile skaters, potential gamebreakers, so of course a guy like Foote might get lost in the shuffle, but he would not be a bad pick at all. I seriously doubt he gets to 21, most of the guys picking all remember his father.
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Oh ok, got it. I don't know why, but I was under the impression that people were knocking his game. I guess the wow factor is it, but from everything I've seen, he's a helluva defenseman. Absolute howitzer of a shot.
 
Joey Bones said:
Ryan Poehling
https://www.nhl.com/jets/video/combine--ryan-poehling/t-277437442/c-52139403
*Thinks he's a 200-foot player both offensively and defensively. A bit naïve if he thinks that. Noted that consistency is an issue and that it is a priority on his off-season agenda.
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A bit naive ??

Pretty much every scouting service is touting his two way play, he's not naive, he's just the messenger ;)

One example:

Future Considerations on Poehling: "Big, accountable centre who has all the talent to be a two-way threat down the road. Strong on the puck and able to force defenders back with his strength and speed. Cerebral vision and sees play development when skating the puck or setting up shop. Puck skill isn’t Datsyukian but he spreads the puck around with crisp passes and can manage to keep the puck safe with his reach and positioning. Sky’s the limit if he works on footspeed, and polishes his offensive game."
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Think he had an awful 15-16 season, his stat line looks good this season though given he was one of the youngest players in the NCAA.
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He was 4th in points on a very mediocre Spartans team, while only being 18 years old. I certainly see the upside with the way he plays. He deserves more minutes but some of those guys on his team seem to have been there forever. Haag, Stenglein, Ebbing, Cox. At least the latter two have moved on and Khodorenko should get some better minutes next season.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
He was 4th in points on a very mediocre Spartans team, while only being 18 years old. I certainly see the upside with the way he plays. He deserves more minutes but some of those guys on his team seem to have been there forever. Haag, Stenglein, Ebbing, Cox. At least the latter two have moved on and Khodorenko should get some better minutes next season.
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He looks like he'd be a fine mid round pick if he drops to that point.
 
jas said:
Cool, let him drop then.
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Even with the combine results I can't see him getting beyond LA or Carolina. Both teams could use the help down the middle.

If Dallas trades their pick, then things could change, but I think Mittelstadt will go Arizona.

Right now I have my mock top-10 as:
NJ - Patrick
PHI - Hischier
DAL - Heiskanen
COL - Petersson
VAN - Glass
VGK - Vilardi
ARI - Mittelstadt
BUF - Valimaki
DET - Necas
FLA - Tippett

Aside from Dallas, the other tricky team is Colorado. I think they could take Valimaki if Sakic can't get a Duchene deal done. To me, he's the 2nd best defensemen in the class behind Heiskanen. If he can land a high-end LHD prospect in the draft, then perhaps he can adjust his focus with the return for Duchene.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Another vote for Red Line here. I find their rankings refreshing and a great read every year. I always like reading about their mid and late round sleepers. They hit on those a lot.
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Mid-round sleepers worth a look:

1. Michael Karow — Pro size, compete level, and physicality. Will need to improve his mobility, but every other aspect of his game improved by leaps and bounds this year.
2. Kasper Kotkansalo — Frankly, he’s a mismatch for this category, because he’s got top 50 overall talent level. But injury set him back and his USHL situation wasn’t great, so teams are down on him. He will rebound.
3. Jacob McGrew — Was great at U.S. Select 17 camp and was one of Spokane’s best forwards in exhibition play before suffering a knee injury in practice that cost him the entire season.
4. Martin Bodak — Slovak defenceman plays in Finland, and we like his alert defensive zone play, excellent footwork, and aggression battling down low.
5. ***D’Artagnan Joly*** — � � One of RLR’s favourite sleepers. He’s a long, rawboned kid with a great frame, excellent skating ability, and good puckhandling skills. Raw, but will put it together.
6. � � Davis Koch — Even we haven’t given him his proper due. Would have been among WHL scoring leaders if he had any help this year. Has the smarts and work ethic to be a long time pro.
7. Daniel Bukac — Nearly 6-5 and still growing, with sharp puck movement skills. Slow adjustement to North America and had to battle for icetime on a strong veteran defence corps.
8. Thomas Gregoire — Undersized blue-liner is a very smooth 4-way skater and a terrific puck mover who can run a PP.
9. Jordan Hollett — He basically sat out the last two years behind strong veteran, but this big and agile netminder has all the physical tools to develop into a good one.
10. Noah Ganske — He’s already huge with a massive frame to fill out. Moved to defence during the season on a bad high school team, so few took notice. Will have a lot to learn on the blue line, but his mobility and puck skills offer a lot of upside.
11. Ryan Peckford — Not flashy, and a couple of injuries cost him major time in the second half. But he’s an intelligent two-way pivot with soft hands and some size.
12. Santeri Virtanen — Got almost zero exposure after missing most of the season due to a shoulder operation. But his play at the World U-18 Championships should get him drafted.
13. Mareks Mitens — Mitens! We love saying Mitens! Oh,
and also, he’s a pretty good goalie with freakishly good numbers in the NAHL. Uber competitive battler keeps his team in games.
14. Macauley Carson — We love everything about him, excepte his skating�� � � � � �� � . Big, strong, rugged winger is a great character kid who scores a bunch and plays hard every shift.
15. Skyler McKenzie — Tiny second year eligible made himself impossible to ignore this time around. Speedy mucker is good at keeping his feet moving at all times, and potted 42 goals.
16. Malte Søstrup-Setkov — There’s almost no talk about the Great Dane, but he’s a lean 6-5 blue-liner with good athleticism. Massive frame and loads of upside.
17. Semyon Perelyayev — We think this smooth, mobile defender is one of the most overlooked prospects. No one talks about him, but his progression since the season’s start is dramatic.
18. Shawn Boudrias — Youngest player in draft is also one of the biggest forwards. Got no icetime on deep club in 1st half but came on very strong after trade. Soft hands and good puck skills.
19. Kirill Ustimenko — Big netminder popped up on our radar late at the World U-18 Championships, and possesses the type of size and athleticism NHL teams covet.
20. Dylan Ferguson — Didn’t get many games to show how good he can be, but when Kamloops’ goalie was off at the World Jrs., he was nothing less than scintillating.
21. Mark Kastelic — Possesses rare athleticism for someone so large at his age with excellent compete level away from the puck. Quietly finished strong and has lots of untapped potential.
22. Dylan Coghlan — Big defenceman makes a ton of intelligent, subtle decisions in all three phases. Doesn’t jump out, but the more you watch, the more you appreciate his game.
 
Lion Hound said:

Mid-round sleepers worth a look:

1. Michael Karow — Pro size, compete level, and physicality. Will need to improve his mobility, but every other aspect of his game improved by leaps and bounds this year.
2. Kasper Kotkansalo — Frankly, he’s a mismatch for this category, because he’s got top 50 overall talent level. But injury set him back and his USHL situation wasn’t great, so teams are down on him. He will rebound.
3. Jacob McGrew — Was great at U.S. Select 17 camp and was one of Spokane’s best forwards in exhibition play before suffering a knee injury in practice that cost him the entire season.
4. Martin Bodak — Slovak defenceman plays in Finland, and we like his alert defensive zone play, excellent footwork, and aggression battling down low.
5. ***D’Artagnan Joly*** — � � One of RLR’s favourite sleepers. He’s a long, rawboned kid with a great frame, excellent skating ability, and good puckhandling skills. Raw, but will put it together.
6. � � Davis Koch — Even we haven’t given him his proper due. Would have been among WHL scoring leaders if he had any help this year. Has the smarts and work ethic to be a long time pro.
7. Daniel Bukac — Nearly 6-5 and still growing, with sharp puck movement skills. Slow adjustement to North America and had to battle for icetime on a strong veteran defence corps.
8. Thomas Gregoire — Undersized blue-liner is a very smooth 4-way skater and a terrific puck mover who can run a PP.
9. Jordan Hollett — He basically sat out the last two years behind strong veteran, but this big and agile netminder has all the physical tools to develop into a good one.
10. Noah Ganske — He’s already huge with a massive frame to fill out. Moved to defence during the season on a bad high school team, so few took notice. Will have a lot to learn on the blue line, but his mobility and puck skills offer a lot of upside.
11. Ryan Peckford — Not flashy, and a couple of injuries cost him major time in the second half. But he’s an intelligent two-way pivot with soft hands and some size.
12. Santeri Virtanen — Got almost zero exposure after missing most of the season due to a shoulder operation. But his play at the World U-18 Championships should get him drafted.
13. Mareks Mitens — Mitens! We love saying Mitens! Oh,
and also, he’s a pretty good goalie with freakishly good numbers in the NAHL. Uber competitive battler keeps his team in games.
14. Macauley Carson — We love everything about him, excepte his skating�� � � � � �� � . Big, strong, rugged winger is a great character kid who scores a bunch and plays hard every shift.
15. Skyler McKenzie — Tiny second year eligible made himself impossible to ignore this time around. Speedy mucker is good at keeping his feet moving at all times, and potted 42 goals.
16. Malte Søstrup-Setkov — There’s almost no talk about the Great Dane, but he’s a lean 6-5 blue-liner with good athleticism. Massive frame and loads of upside.
17. Semyon Perelyayev — We think this smooth, mobile defender is one of the most overlooked prospects. No one talks about him, but his progression since the season’s start is dramatic.
18. Shawn Boudrias — Youngest player in draft is also one of the biggest forwards. Got no icetime on deep club in 1st half but came on very strong after trade. Soft hands and good puck skills.
19. Kirill Ustimenko — Big netminder popped up on our radar late at the World U-18 Championships, and possesses the type of size and athleticism NHL teams covet.
20. Dylan Ferguson — Didn’t get many games to show how good he can be, but when Kamloops’ goalie was off at the World Jrs., he was nothing less than scintillating.
21. Mark Kastelic — Possesses rare athleticism for someone so large at his age with excellent compete level away from the puck. Quietly finished strong and has lots of untapped potential.
22. Dylan Coghlan — Big defenceman makes a ton of intelligent, subtle decisions in all three phases. Doesn’t jump out, but the more you watch, the more you appreciate his game.
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I really like D'Artagnan Joly, his hands are silky smooth. The negatives with him is that he doesn't produce as much as he should given his skills, solid playmaking though. I like him as a mid/late round pick.

I'm not that high on Kotkansalo, i'd be OK if we take him if he drops a bit but otherwise no thanks.

Don't know much at all about the rest, my sleeper is Leon Gawanke. RHD who had some very solid production this season.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I really like D'Artagnan Joly, his hands are silky smooth. The negatives with him is that he doesn't produce as much as he should given his skills, solid playmaking though. I like him as a mid/late round pick.

I'm not that high on Kotkansalo, i'd be OK if we take him if he drops a bit but otherwise no thanks.

Don't know much at all about the rest, my sleeper is Leon Gawanke. RHD who had some very solid production this season.
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They wrote some really good stuff on him in their guide. Want to see more of him.
 
Dissapointed that none of the beat writers, or anyone covering the Rangers didn't go to the Combine.


Per Forbes the NY Rangers are valued at 1.25Billion. The Combine was in their home state. How was there no coverage? Zipay tried, and got us some info but that was second hand. Was appreciated, but... Where was everyone else? Oilers had the best coverage. Interviews, twitter, stats etc. Winnipeg, Ducks. NYR- <crickets>
 
Lion Hound said:
They wrote some really good stuff on him in their guide. Want to see more of him.
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I watched quite a bit this season, maybe 8-10 games, his hands are absolute filth. His shot is average at best and he doesn't shoot enough either, but his hands and his playmaking is very good, tall too which means he's good at holding on to the puck, sometimes too much :P Skating is atleast decent. His two-way game is lacking though but he'd be a pretty nice pick in the 2nd half of the draft imo.
 
Is there someone who knows who the rangers talked to/did not talk to? May point us in at least some direction on what they are looking for..
 
SnowFort said:
Is there someone who knows who the rangers talked to/did not talk to? May point us in at least some direction on what they are looking for..
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Well based on what Joey posted on the previous page, 30 teams spoke to Elias Petersson with the Kings being the only exception; So there's one. On the tail end of the last thread there's some info about the Rangers interviewing Suzuki and Makar as well. So we know for certain they interviewed those guys.
 
Bluenote13 said:
A bit naive ??

Pretty much every scouting service is touting his two way play, he's not naive, he's just the messenger ;)

One example:

Future Considerations on Poehling: "Big, accountable centre who has all the talent to be a two-way threat down the road. Strong on the puck and able to force defenders back with his strength and speed. Cerebral vision and sees play development when skating the puck or setting up shop. Puck skill isn’t Datsyukian but he spreads the puck around with crisp passes and can manage to keep the puck safe with his reach and positioning. Sky’s the limit if he works on footspeed, and polishes his offensive game."
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Consider me intrigued.
 
Trxjw said:
Well based on what Joey posted on the previous page, 30 teams spoke to Elias Petersson with the Kings being the only exception; So there's one. On the tail end of the last thread there's some info about the Rangers interviewing Suzuki and Makar as well. So we know for certain they interviewed those guys.
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Nope, NYR had no beat there so i haven't seen anything...
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I think that was Lias Andersson, every team actually met with Lias Andersson, LA didn't schedule an interview cause they already know him, his Dad works for the Kings.

Andersson, Makar, Suzuki, Vaakanainen, Bowers - those are the names I've heard that interviewed with the Rangers so far. They did not interview Ostap Safin.

I think Vancouver, Edmonton and Winnipeg interviewed the most, 86-90 players.

Traditionally teams don't always pick who they interviewed though.


BTW, here are the top 25 results for each test at the combine:
https://link.nhl.com/centralscouting/public/

Josh Norris is physically ready for the NHL ;)


jas said:
Consider me intrigued.
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Sounds like what they said about Ryan Kesler back in 2003 :D
 
Bluenote13 said:
I think that was Lias Andersson, every team actually met with Lias Andersson, LA didn't schedule an interview cause they already know him, his Dad works for the Kings.

Andersson, Makar, Suzuki, Vaakanainen, Bowers - those are the names I've heard that interviewed with the Rangers so far. They did not interview Ostap Safin.

I think Vancouver, Edmonton and Winnipeg interviewed the most, 86-90 players.

Traditionally teams don't always pick who they interviewed though.


BTW, here are the top 25 results for each test at the combine:
https://link.nhl.com/centralscouting/public/

Josh Norris is physically ready for the NHL ;)




Sounds like what they said about Ryan Kesler back in 2003 :D
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Do you still believe Rob Thomas is the better player after seeing Norris' combine? Or did you have them relatively closely ranked?
 
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