2017-18 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

[KingsHockey24]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[kings11]

Pittsburgh had the benefit of time. Two years ago Crosby and Malkin weren't 30 yet. Two years from now, Kopitar is 32, Quick is 34, Carter and Brown are 35, and Doughty might not be here. Ok, trade Carter, but this isn't Carter from 7 years ago. Who would trade for him? A contender. What contender is giving you some cheap young player with high potential for a now 33 year old? Carter went from Voracek and a top 10 pick, to Johnson and a low 1st round pick. His value isn't going to increase with age. The Jackets got rid of him because he didn't want to be there, and he shows no signs of not wanting to be here, so it's a little different, but they probably won't get their next leading scorer for a decade in any deal.

Even if you could trade Carter for something, you're still stuck with the other old guys. They just don't have the luxury of time. If you trade Carter, might as well trade everyone possible, get high picks, and build for 5 years from now, when Quick is finally gone, and Kopitar is in the last year of his deal and isn't weighing the organization down with a $10m cap hit. Let Kopitar, Brown, and Quick enjoy their retirement contracts in obscurity, and slowly create a foundation for 5-10 years in the future.

I’m not even sure how you came to your evaluations but let’s just remember that a certain injury prone center went for a Kings ransom... Carter is worth a top prospect or a really good young player plus a 1st rounder at minimum.... granted he needs to show he has no lingering effects from the injury.
The team has many options on a rebuild, they just need to be honest and accurate about the current roster when they do their evaluations... Me personally, I would move Martinez to Toronto for Liljegren and a 3rd, so next season we have Liljegren and Clague in Ontario... our defense needs to be rebuilt more so than our forwards group..

 

[KingsFan7824]

I’m not even sure how you came to your evaluations but let’s just remember that a certain injury prone center went for a Kings ransom... Carter is worth a top prospect or a really good young player plus a 1st rounder at minimum.... granted he needs to show he has no lingering effects from the injury.
The team has many options on a rebuild, they just need to be honest and accurate about the current roster when they do their evaluations... Me personally, I would move Martinez to Toronto for Liljegren and a 3rd, so next season we have Liljegren and Clague in Ontario... our defense needs to be rebuilt more so than our forwards group..

Isn't Liljegren supposed to be good? People talk about Martinez as a 3rd pairing defenseman.

 

[Little Psycho]

 

[Sol]

Loss incoming E5.

At least Kuemper is starting wooo

Ducks just got creamed. Would be great if we can win.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

I’m not even sure how you came to your evaluations but let’s just remember that a certain injury prone center went for a Kings ransom... Carter is worth a top prospect or a really good young player plus a 1st rounder at minimum.... granted he needs to show he has no lingering effects from the injury.
The team has many options on a rebuild, they just need to be honest and accurate about the current roster when they do their evaluations... Me personally, I would move Martinez to Toronto for Liljegren and a 3rd, so next season we have Liljegren and Clague in Ontario... our defense needs to be rebuilt more so than our forwards group..

No way in hell would you get Toronto to move Liljegren for Martinez. They wouldn't even move him for Muzzin. He is their Doughty lite

 

[KingsOfCali25]

That 3rd line is horrible! And the bottom 6 LW...Ouch

 

[Sol]

That 3rd line is horrible! And the bottom 6 LW...Ouch

We need grit not talent

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

McKenzie saying Tampa Bay wants a veteran dman. Wonder what they'd give up for Martinez or Muzzin. Would take a good prospect and a high pick for either.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Josh Levio has asked for a trade If i was gm i would inquire kids got talent

 

[kovacro]

Josh Levio has asked for a trade If i was gm i would inquire kids got talent

I'll take Soshnikov too.

I mentioned Leivo months ago. Solid hockey player just needs an opportunity. An ideal guy to slide into a bottom 6 role and be a net front presence on the PP. He doesn't mind getting dirty.

I think he can be a 35-40 point guy.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Kings at the TDL...

Iafallo/XXX--Kopitar--Brown
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
XXX/Iafallo--Kempe--Gaborik
Lewis--Amaido--Brodzinski
Clifford, Shore, Mitchell

XXX-Doughty
Muzzin--LaDue
Forbort--Martinez
Folin

Needs Top4 Dman and Top 9 winger

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I'll take Soshnikov too.

I mentioned Leivo months ago. Solid hockey player just needs an opportunity. An ideal guy to slide into a bottom 6 role and be a net front presence on the PP. He doesn't mind getting dirty.

I think he can be a 35-40 point guy.

I have not seen much of Soshnikov so i dunno much on him. Leivo i have seen in a few game very impress with his compete level Seems to never give up

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Kings at the TDL...

Iafallo/XXX--Kopitar--Brown
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
XXX/Iafallo--Kempe--Gaborik
Lewis--Amaido--Brodzinski
Clifford, Shore, Mitchell

XXX-Doughty
Muzzin--LaDue
Forbort--Martinez
Folin

Needs Top4 Dman and Top 9 winger

No way Amadio will play over shore Maybe he becomes a winger ? not a bad idea/

 

[KingsOfCali25]

No way Amadio will play over shore Maybe he becomes a winger ? not a bad idea/

Shore is trade bait for a winger.

Edit: Shore + pick for Tatar.

Clague + pick for Dman

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Shore is trade bait for a winger.

Edit: Shore + pick for Tatar.

Clague + pick for Dman

no way red wings want shore he doesn't have alot of value I also would not trade Clague He will be the top 4 defense man we need to balance out drews massive contract in the future

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Shore is trade bait for a winger.

Edit: Shore + pick for Tatar.

Clague + pick for Dman

Only if that pick for Tatar is a first. Shore is probably worth a 6th-7th.

 

[regulate]

Fun facts. Kings are 3-0 and have outscored their opponents 11-1 when LaDue plays, so he should obviously be benched next game.

When Quick starts the Kings have 42 out of a possible 80 points this season.
When Kuemper starts the Kings have 19 out of a possible 24 points this season.

That is a huge gap, and it's not even close.

 

[redcard]

Fun facts. Kings are 3-0 and have outscored their opponents 11-1 when LaDue plays, so he should obviously be benched next game.

When Quick starts the Kings have 42 out of a possible 80 points this season.
When Kuemper starts the Kings have 19 out of a possible 24 points this season.

That is a huge gap, and it's not even close.

4 of the teams Kuemper started against are currently in playoff spots. 8 are not.

The guy has played great but he has the easier job of the two.

 

[Sol]

4 of the teams Kuemper started against are currently in playoff spots. 8 are not.

The guy has played great but he has the easier job of the two.

Wow this is such a poor attempt to put down Kuempers performance.

Quick had choked away points against many poor teams too ... So what


Quick is getting older, and hes not the goalie he once was. Once people realize this, the less they will be let down

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Oh settle down.

Quick’s “better” is better. Right now he’s out of form, so you play the better goalie until that changes.

At this point that is all this is.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Oh settle down.

Quick’s “better” is better. Right now he’s out of form, so you play the better goalie until that changes.

At this point that is all this is.

Never fails to astound me how uppity people get about backup performances around the league. There's a reason guys like Brian Elliott never stick as starters--they're phenomenal in small workloads of 20-30 games then disintegrate after that. See any number of backups that have left here for cushy starting jobs over the year as examples. Edit: or the Hawks, with Scott Darling, Niemi, even Raanta to a degree (though I like Raanta best). How many times did we have to hear Raanta and Talbot are better than Lundqvist, Jones > Quick, Niemi > Crawford, Lack > Luongo...

That being said yeah start the hot hand more and rest Quick more, he's no spring chicken anymore, and Sutter rode him like he used to ride Kiprusoff, ideally he tops out around 60-65 games, but it's very apparent when he needs a break these days. Stevens needs to sack up and sit him when needed.

 

[deaderhead28]

Wow this is such a poor attempt to put down Kuempers performance.

Quick had choked away points against many poor teams too ... So what


Quick is getting older, and hes not the goalie he once was. Once people realize this, the less they will be let down

Totally agree.Quick lost his spot for a few games.

 

[kings11]

No way in hell would you get Toronto to move Liljegren for Martinez. They wouldn't even move him for Muzzin. He is their Doughty lite

For some reason they’ve soured a bit on the kid.... they expected him to be NHL ready which he is offensively but his defense is still catching up .. also, never underestimate the desperation of that FO, fan base and city to try and put on a contender before new contracts are needed and depth is traded away ...

 

[KingCanadain1976]

For some reason they’ve soured a bit on the kid.... they expected him to be NHL ready which he is offensively but his defense is still catching up .. also, never underestimate the desperation of that FO, fan base and city to try and put on a contender before new contracts are needed and depth is traded away ...

I think its more there fan base is so big ur always going to have people disagreeing no matter what the topic. From what i have read the majority of fans seem to want to keep him and are looking forward to seeing him in Toronto.