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mattgkg said:
Mersch had his shot last year and camp this year. they kept Andreoff and King both on the roster and added setoguchi for the right where he wasn't able to convert to. they didn't call him up when andreoff was hurt. square peg, circle hole situation with Mersch he's not cut for the top 6 in the NHL and the kings are full of better options.

kempe, auger, brodzinski come on down.
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He could still be a replacement for King next season.

Mersch/Brodz/Auger would all be cheaper replacements. Dwight King is a UFA coming up, he could price himself out of LA.

Off-season Kings gotta make a choice, should be interesting.
 
damacles1156 said:
He could still be a replacement for King next season.

Mersch/Brodz/Auger would all be cheaper replacements. Dwight King is a UFA coming up, he could price himself out of LA.

Off-season Kings gotta make a choice, should be interesting.
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I think Mersch will replace King, I just don't think he's good enough to steal a spot from him. Mersch is better around the net, but King is better on the boards. Speed is a wash, King maybe with a slight advantage, but Dwight thinks quicker so it's not as noticeable.

King has been crap for most of the year in all honesty, but he still has more goals than any forward not on the 70's line along with 8 points. He's going to hit 30-35 points, which is fine for his pay grade. If he was making $4M, I could see the Kings move him. Not at $2M though, not enough savings to justify growing pains with Mersch.
 
YP44 said:
you can't though unless you waive two. Once Gaborik and AA are back at least on will be gone as is. I would be satisfied with Purcell or Nolan being that one. Lately I would be more inclined to keep Nolan
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If I had to bet, I would wager that these are Teddy's final days on the roster.
 
Fishhead said:
I think Mersch will replace King, I just don't think he's good enough to steal a spot from him. Mersch is better around the net, but King is better on the boards. Speed is a wash, King maybe with a slight advantage, but Dwight thinks quicker so it's not as noticeable.

King has been crap for most of the year in all honesty, but he still has more goals than any forward not on the 70's line along with 8 points. He's going to hit 30-35 points, which is fine for his pay grade. If he was making $4M, I could see the Kings move him. Not at $2M though, not enough savings to justify growing pains with Mersch.
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King is absolutely terrible on the boards. He can't keep the puck on his stick for more than a second before losing it. He has found a niche for himself though, just stand in front of the net and without moving, let the puck bounce off himself.
 
Mersch has hands, and can shoot. He consistently gets shots to the net. He's also very good around the net, with tips, power spin moves, leaning on guys, screens, etc. He would be valuable NOW on our horrendous PP, and Mersch is not a bad PK player at all. The transition chat is accurate, but Dwight isn't good in transition either. Mersch could be good with Kopitar I think. Kopitar likes keeping possession around the perimeter, and this would allow Mersch time to set up out front. Sure Mersch will get some goals bounce off his ass as well, but overall, Mersch is the better player.
 
AlphaBravo said:
King has more goals than Kopitar. Let that sink in folks.
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Not just that, but King also has more 5v5 goals than Toffoli. King is also 2nd on the team in 5v5 points. Carter has 12, King has 8, Pearson, Toffoli, Doughty, and Martinez with 7 each. I don't know why King is the one everyone complains about. Other than the fact that he's Dwight King, and nobody likes the teacher's pet.

A role player, that is 3rd on the team is ES goals, 2nd on the team in ES points, and has nothing to do with the Kings lackluster PP, that's the guy? He's the one that draws the negative attention? He's tied with guys like Toffoli and Doughty for ES assists. He's got more ES assists than Pearson and Kopitar. How is King the issue? Why is he getting all these points, while nobody else does? King is actually slightly on pace for a career season, but it's really basically his career average. He's on pace for 31 points, a career high of 30 points, and a career average of 27.

Is the grass always greener? The devil you don't know is better than the one you do? Mersch is younger and more unknown, so we can put more potential on him? Dowd has 0 ES goals, but he's the golden child.

It seems to me that everything would have to be going pretty well for the Kings for King to be the focal point. So I guess things are going pretty well for the team.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Not just that, but King also has more 5v5 goals than Toffoli. King is also 2nd on the team in 5v5 points. Carter has 12, King has 8, Pearson, Toffoli, Doughty, and Martinez with 7 each. I don't know why King is the one everyone complains about. Other than the fact that he's Dwight King, and nobody likes the teacher's pet.

A role player, that is 3rd on the team is ES goals, 2nd on the team in ES points, and has nothing to do with the Kings lackluster PP, that's the guy? He's the one that draws the negative attention? He's tied with guys like Toffoli and Doughty for ES assists. He's got more ES assists than Pearson and Kopitar. How is King the issue? Why is he getting all these points, while nobody else does? King is actually slightly on pace for a career season, but it's really basically his career average. He's on pace for 31 points, a career high of 30 points, and a career average of 27.

Is the grass always greener? The devil you don't know is better than the one you do? Mersch is younger and more unknown, so we can put more potential on him? Dowd has 0 ES goals, but he's the golden child.

It seems to me that everything would have to be going pretty well for the Kings for King to be the focal point. So I guess things are going pretty well for the team.
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This is a good post. My issue though is not with King. The fact king is so high in those stat columns is more a negative on the players who should be leading the way.

Only recently have I jumped on the "I'd be ok to trade King" wagon. Only because I think he would return a better pick or player than anyone else the kings would be looking to deal.
 
mattgkg said:
Mersch had his shot last year and camp this year. they kept Andreoff and King both on the roster and added setoguchi for the right where he wasn't able to convert to. they didn't call him up when andreoff was hurt. square peg, circle hole situation with Mersch he's not cut for the top 6 in the NHL and the kings are full of better options.

kempe, auger, brodzinski come on down.
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Keep in mind Seto had to earn his contract in camp as well. If the decision was down to Seto or Mersch, it was up to Mersch to make sure the kings had to keep him and he did not do that.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Not just that, but King also has more 5v5 goals than Toffoli. King is also 2nd on the team in 5v5 points. Carter has 12, King has 8, Pearson, Toffoli, Doughty, and Martinez with 7 each. I don't know why King is the one everyone complains about. Other than the fact that he's Dwight King, and nobody likes the teacher's pet.

A role player, that is 3rd on the team is ES goals, 2nd on the team in ES points, and has nothing to do with the Kings lackluster PP, that's the guy? He's the one that draws the negative attention? He's tied with guys like Toffoli and Doughty for ES assists. He's got more ES assists than Pearson and Kopitar. How is King the issue? Why is he getting all these points, while nobody else does? King is actually slightly on pace for a career season, but it's really basically his career average. He's on pace for 31 points, a career high of 30 points, and a career average of 27.

Is the grass always greener? The devil you don't know is better than the one you do? Mersch is younger and more unknown, so we can put more potential on him? Dowd has 0 ES goals, but he's the golden child.

It seems to me that everything would have to be going pretty well for the Kings for King to be the focal point. So I guess things are going pretty well for the team.
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Good post. Hatred of Dwight King is misdirected, to say the least.
 
Bandit said:
Good post. Hatred of Dwight King is misdirected, to say the least.
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I agree. The guys that should be gone are Nolan obviously and I think Clifford. Clifford is very poor defensively (his positioning and awareness are poor). He obviously has no offense. Battles well and is physical, but those types of players are easy to find that are also capable at either defense or offense.
 
Gabby is back!

And Kopi on WING...whaaatt.

I had to google to find out who's #21. I forget he's on the team sometimes.

@lakingsinsider

Interesting adjustments in lines (via color coding): 11-26-23, 70-77-73, 12-22-10, 74-21-71, 13-15-9. Kopitar skating as a wing in rushes.
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@lakingsinsider 27m27 minutes ago

there were rushes that showed Kopitar on the wing, but his placement there may also be due to special teams work. will inquire w/ DS.
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KingsFan7824 said:
Not just that, but King also has more 5v5 goals than Toffoli. King is also 2nd on the team in 5v5 points. Carter has 12, King has 8, Pearson, Toffoli, Doughty, and Martinez with 7 each. I don't know why King is the one everyone complains about. Other than the fact that he's Dwight King, and nobody likes the teacher's pet.

A role player, that is 3rd on the team is ES goals, 2nd on the team in ES points, and has nothing to do with the Kings lackluster PP, that's the guy? He's the one that draws the negative attention? He's tied with guys like Toffoli and Doughty for ES assists. He's got more ES assists than Pearson and Kopitar. How is King the issue? Why is he getting all these points, while nobody else does? King is actually slightly on pace for a career season, but it's really basically his career average. He's on pace for 31 points, a career high of 30 points, and a career average of 27.

Is the grass always greener? The devil you don't know is better than the one you do? Mersch is younger and more unknown, so we can put more potential on him? Dowd has 0 ES goals, but he's the golden child.

It seems to me that everything would have to be going pretty well for the Kings for King to be the focal point. So I guess things are going pretty well for the team.
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I'm going to take the unpopular route and disagree here. i'm going to say King's recent production pumped his stats past the point that people are forgetting his lousy play outside the production; the guy has been weak on the boards, stuck behind the play, and fumbling pucks everywhere. He's been remarkably bad at even getting pucks deep. I don't think his play has been representative of his 'true' ability, but he's been baaaaad since last year, and I'm not going to let a few points in the last few games erase that. This is a case of many people looking at points in a vacuum and ignoring what he HASNT brought. On the flipside, before injury, Kopitar was playing insanely well, but wasn't getting the points; King was playing like absolute horse **** and getting points. Don't let the random bursts of production distract you from his very real issues.

Now, do I want Mersch in over him? Absolutely not. But I do think on my list of players that need to go, Purcell needs to leave twice, but King would be right behind him for me.

But if he can do what he did vs the Isles and at least get to the net and cause havok, I'm good with that, but it's the same complaint about Mersch--he simply can't get there in the normal flow of play. DK is visibly the odd man out on the roster right now, he simply can hardly keep up with the pace, even with his smarts.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I'm going to take the unpopular route and disagree here. i'm going to say King's recent production pumped his stats past the point that people are forgetting his lousy play outside the production; the guy has been weak on the boards, stuck behind the play, and fumbling pucks everywhere. He's been remarkably bad at even getting pucks deep. I don't think his play has been representative of his 'true' ability, but he's been baaaaad since last year, and I'm not going to let a few points in the last few games erase that. This is a case of many people looking at points in a vacuum and ignoring what he HASNT brought. On the flipside, before injury, Kopitar was playing insanely well, but wasn't getting the points; King was playing like absolute horse **** and getting points. Don't let the random bursts of production distract you from his very real issues.

Now, do I want Mersch in over him? Absolutely not. But I do think on my list of players that need to go, Purcell needs to leave twice, but King would be right behind him for me.

But if he can do what he did vs the Isles and at least get to the net and cause havok, I'm good with that, but it's the same complaint about Mersch--he simply can't get there in the normal flow of play. DK is visibly the odd man out on the roster right now, he simply can hardly keep up with the pace, even with his smarts.
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Love him or hate him, we don't have the left wing depth to trade King away right now. Mersch is basically the same as King, both are slow and can score in front of the net. The only reason you sub Mersch for King is to save a little cap space should it be necessary.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Love him or hate him, we don't have the left wing depth to trade King away right now. Mersch is basically the same as King, both are slow and can score in front of the net. The only reason you sub Mersch for King is to save a little cap space should it be necessary.
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Oh I don't want Mersch in over King probably period, just addressing that comment from others. I just think King has been abysmal regardless of Mersch's status. But I agree that he's probably not replaceable at this moment--I just think unless he pulls it together, he should be gone as a UFA. It's unfortunate because he has the smarts offensively and defensively, but he's fumbling the puck like a hand grenade and always one step too slow in addition to being soft on the boards...in other words, his limited skills are currently weaknesses (i.e. was good at puck protection and especially on the wall).
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Oh I don't want Mersch in over King probably period, just addressing that comment from others. I just think King has been abysmal regardless of Mersch's status. But I agree that he's probably not replaceable at this moment--I just think unless he pulls it together, he should be gone as a UFA. It's unfortunate because he has the smarts offensively and defensively, but he's fumbling the puck like a hand grenade and always one step too slow in addition to being soft on the boards...in other words, his limited skills are currently weaknesses (i.e. was good at puck protection and especially on the wall).
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Yeah I agree with you. Its hard to put a finger on King. On the one hand, he manages to get his approx. 10 goals a season, which is good for a third or fourth line winger. But I think overall as a team, he is keeping us back because of his molasses-slow skating. Next year if Kempe is called up full time like Dowd, I think we wont have to resign King. Both Clifford and Andreoff have a lot more energy and speed, so I would rather use them on wing over King.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Yeah I agree with you. Its hard to put a finger on King. On the one hand, he manages to get his approx. 10 goals a season, which is good for a third or fourth line winger. But I think overall as a team, he is keeping us back because of his molasses-slow skating. Next year if Kempe is called up full time like Dowd, I think we wont have to resign King. Both Clifford and Andreoff have a lot more energy and speed, so I would rather use them on wing over King.
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Yet hes playing top 6 mins and producing bottom 6 numbers. Why the heck are people talking about bottom 6 with King HE IS NOT PLAYING BOTTOM 6 MINS PERIOD END OF SENTENCE. If he was playing bottom 6 and still producing the same number i wouldn't say a word about him however hes not doing this. People need to stop thinking of king as a bottom 6 player playing top 6 mins and start thinking of him as a top 6 player who should be move to bottom 6 mins
 
YP44 said:
or maybe his injury is still effecting his Faceoffs. I don't mind this as a way to keep him in the lineup and help protect him.
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Yeah, and its not like having two good hands is a requirement for top six minutes or anything.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Oh I don't want Mersch in over King probably period, just addressing that comment from others. I just think King has been abysmal regardless of Mersch's status. But I agree that he's probably not replaceable at this moment--I just think unless he pulls it together, he should be gone as a UFA. It's unfortunate because he has the smarts offensively and defensively, but he's fumbling the puck like a hand grenade and always one step too slow in addition to being soft on the boards...in other words, his limited skills are currently weaknesses (i.e. was good at puck protection and especially on the wall).
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He did when he was first called up, now he along with Nolan have be come complacent. Neither do what they use to do, yet one continues to get top minutes game after game.This year only ONE of Kings goals was off a shot, all the other ones were basically lucky bounces. I still think Lewis was trying to bounce the puck off of the goalie and ended up passing into the slot where King was.:laugh:
 
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