this is fair. It was a deal I was thinking about at the end of last year when it appeared defense would be an area of weakness and LA would have too many forwards. Just wanted to reflect back on it now. I agree it may not make any sense now.
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this is fair. It was a deal I was thinking about at the end of last year when it appeared defense would be an area of weakness and LA would have too many forwards. Just wanted to reflect back on it now. I agree it may not make any sense now.
KingCanadain1976
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Jon Rosen @lakingsinsider 12m12 minutes ago
#LAKings prospects D Kale Clague (WHL-Brandon), F Austin Wagner (WHL-Regina) named to Canada's WJC selection camp roster.
#LAKings prospects D Kale Clague (WHL-Brandon), F Austin Wagner (WHL-Regina) named to Canada's WJC selection camp roster.
rajuabju
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Two interesting prospects. Clague in particular seems like he could be something for us in the future.
KingCanadain1976
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I think Kale is a little small but has the smarts to be a good 2/3 in the future
I hope both make the team. Wagner interests me as a 4th rounder. If he has a good showing maybe his value will raise at the deadline.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Clauge makes me think of earlier-career Brian Campbell. He really looks to be a player in some capacity and I dont' mean because of his points.
Wagner is starting to remind me a bit of Lewis with upside (Pearson? but not quite as good).
REgardless, it's nice to see our prospects marinating so well as there's a gap on the farm right now thatw e will need to address in the next couple of years
Wagner is starting to remind me a bit of Lewis with upside (Pearson? but not quite as good).
REgardless, it's nice to see our prospects marinating so well as there's a gap on the farm right now thatw e will need to address in the next couple of years
Really interesting breakdown of top NHL salaries after taxes posted on Twitter by Gavin Management: https://twitter.com/GavinManagement/status/803636800518377472
Kopitar's change, while known to anyone on this board who has lived in Californa, is one of the most interesting things about it.
Kopitar's change, while known to anyone on this board who has lived in Californa, is one of the most interesting things about it.
Really interesting breakdown of top NHL salaries after taxes posted on Twitter by Gavin Management: https://twitter.com/GavinManagement/status/803636800518377472
Kopitar's change, while known to anyone on this board who has lived in Californa, is one of the most interesting things about it.
I always find the tax stuff interesting and it would not surprise me to see some sort of inclusion in the CBA where areas with higher tax rates have higher cap floors and ceilings.
One thing I wonder looking at this, is how much extra does PK Subban make now compared to when he was in Montreal. Quebec is a very heavily taxed Province so I assume he takes home a fair bit. On the flip side, how much did weber forfit?
Hey guys, Habs fan coming in peace!
Let's say you're out of playoffs (you could very well end up in too, not saying you're not a playoff team
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Would you guys be open to get younger and some cap relief..
I was thinking something like :
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Nathan Beaulieu
Michael McCarron
1st 2017
DD (cap dump to end the year)
Tanner Pearson
Alec Martinez
How I see it is Beaulieu ~ Pearson and Martinez ~ McCarron + 1st. DD is there to absorb cap to end the year. Also, you'd be able to gain a protection slot.
I know you guys like big guy, so obviously McCarron fits the mold. Can't wait to play you on Sunday, I like your team!
Let's say you're out of playoffs (you could very well end up in too, not saying you're not a playoff team
)Would you guys be open to get younger and some cap relief..
I was thinking something like :
2Nathan Beaulieu
Michael McCarron
1st 2017
DD (cap dump to end the year)
Tanner Pearson
Alec Martinez
How I see it is Beaulieu ~ Pearson and Martinez ~ McCarron + 1st. DD is there to absorb cap to end the year. Also, you'd be able to gain a protection slot.
I know you guys like big guy, so obviously McCarron fits the mold. Can't wait to play you on Sunday, I like your team!
damacles1156
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Hey guys, Habs fan coming in peace!
Let's say you're out of playoffs (you could very well end up in too, not saying you're not a playoff team
Would you guys be open to get younger and some cap relief..
I was thinking something like :
Nathan Beaulieu
Michael McCarron
1st 2017
DD (cap dump to end the year)
Tanner Pearson
Alec Martinez
How I see it is Beaulieu ~ Pearson and Martinez ~ McCarron + 1st. DD is there to absorb cap to end the year. Also, you'd be able to gain a protection slot.
I know you guys like big guy, so obviously McCarron fits the mold. Can't wait to play you on Sunday, I like your team!
That doesn't help the Kings.
Tanner Pearson is a scoring winger the Kings desperately need in the top six.
A-Mart is a top Four scoring Defender.
Reverse the roles, would you take that deal ? I bet the answer is no.
It would take quite a deal to even pry A-Mart out of LA, let alone Tanner Pearson.
A cap Dump, a late first round pick, a Some what decent NHL roster player, and a prospect, for two of LA's better Roster players.
LA's top six winger, and top four Defender. That's a terrible trade for LA.
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johnjm22
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Jesus that's a lot of money to pay in taxes. More than half your income for a lot of those guysReally interesting breakdown of top NHL salaries after taxes posted on Twitter by Gavin Management: https://twitter.com/GavinManagement/status/803636800518377472
Kopitar's change, while known to anyone on this board who has lived in Californa, is one of the most interesting things about it.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Hey guys, Habs fan coming in peace!
Let's say you're out of playoffs (you could very well end up in too, not saying you're not a playoff team
Would you guys be open to get younger and some cap relief..
I was thinking something like :
Nathan Beaulieu
Michael McCarron
1st 2017
DD (cap dump to end the year)
Tanner Pearson
Alec Martinez
How I see it is Beaulieu ~ Pearson and Martinez ~ McCarron + 1st. DD is there to absorb cap to end the year. Also, you'd be able to gain a protection slot.
I know you guys like big guy, so obviously McCarron fits the mold. Can't wait to play you on Sunday, I like your team!
We're in a better position as a playoff team than Montreal is. Not only are we only second to the Blackhawks in playoff experience, we have better core players at every key position except 1G.
So we are not your trading partner if you're loading up for the playoffs. The fact that we have even secondary players like Martinez and Pearson who both have a ton of playoff experience/accomplishments, tells you how stacked we are for playoff hockey.
Well, the premise is that you guys are out towards TDL.
It's hard to compare player to player, but let's say we would be out of playoffs and you guys want Gallagher (which has more value than Pearson) + Petry (similar to Martinez) and you would offer Kempe (McCarron) + 1st + (That's the thing, you don't have a similar young D capable of top 4 minutes with Beaulieu's experience) for the record, let's say Gravel shows he's able to over a longer period of time.. I'd think long and hard about it.
Kempe + 1st + Experienced Gravel + dump for Gallagher & Petry
Keep in mind, it would be if we were out of playoffs, cap strapped like you (aka Brown's & Gaborik's contract which we don't have, but let's say we would because you ask me if I would do it from your POV) and it looks more and more like a yes IMO.
KingsOfCali25
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Hey guys, Habs fan coming in peace!
Let's say you're out of playoffs (you could very well end up in too, not saying you're not a playoff team
Would you guys be open to get younger and some cap relief..
I was thinking something like :
Nathan Beaulieu
Michael McCarron
1st 2017
DD (cap dump to end the year)
Tanner Pearson
Alec Martinez
How I see it is Beaulieu ~ Pearson and Martinez ~ McCarron + 1st. DD is there to absorb cap to end the year. Also, you'd be able to gain a protection slot.
I know you guys like big guy, so obviously McCarron fits the mold. Can't wait to play you on Sunday, I like your team!
That's a terrible offer. We aren't rebuilding. We are still playoff contenders. That deal does is nothing for the playoffs next year. We actually get way worse
KingCanadain1976
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Hey guys, Habs fan coming in peace!
Let's say you're out of playoffs (you could very well end up in too, not saying you're not a playoff team
Would you guys be open to get younger and some cap relief..
I was thinking something like :
Nathan Beaulieu
Michael McCarron
1st 2017
DD (cap dump to end the year)
Tanner Pearson
Alec Martinez
How I see it is Beaulieu ~ Pearson and Martinez ~ McCarron + 1st. DD is there to absorb cap to end the year. Also, you'd be able to gain a protection slot.
I know you guys like big guy, so obviously McCarron fits the mold. Can't wait to play you on Sunday, I like your team!
even if we were out of the playoffs Pearson wouldn't be traded He is a young scoring winger on a team that doesn't score a lot of goals. He is also young enough to be a big part of a rebuild. I also doubt Alec would be available. He is also young enough for rebuild He has scored to many important goals to be traded away for futures. If the kings are out of the playoff pieces like king greene lewis gaborik brown and maybe carter with a overpayment might be looked at moving not young productive pieces like pearson martinez
That doesn't include property tax, 10% sales tax, gas tax... probably a handful of other taxes I'm forgetting right now. It gets up and over 50% fast.
Oh yeah SS tax.
johnjm22
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kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
Believe it or not, Sean Avery did a pretty good write up as to just how much a player makes after everyone takes their cut [ including managers , pr guys and the like.
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/the-new-avery-rule/
Tadite
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The tax thing is funny now that I think about it. Most other professions that would be making that type yearly salary would been in some form of LLP/C structure and have access to some form of either corporate deductions or even just a smaller cap on total tax. It's my understanding that no movie star is payed directly. It's rare (that's just an amazing understatement) in modern America for a individual to be making that type of money as actual personal income.
That presumed taxes with California at the top just can't be true. No way in heck does anywhere in the States have higher total taxes then Toronto Canada. That's just so unlikely. I also found it funny that the two highest tax states in the country didn't seem to be on the list. New York (really just the City) and New Jersey.
Worse taxes are also by location. Travel actual matters from a tax standpoint. So these guys must have just insanely complex tax forms with what.... 25 states and two countries?
That presumed taxes with California at the top just can't be true. No way in heck does anywhere in the States have higher total taxes then Toronto Canada. That's just so unlikely. I also found it funny that the two highest tax states in the country didn't seem to be on the list. New York (really just the City) and New Jersey.
Worse taxes are also by location. Travel actual matters from a tax standpoint. So these guys must have just insanely complex tax forms with what.... 25 states and two countries?
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Isn't there a big entertainment tax, though? I thought that's why a lot of the movie industry was going away
johnjm22
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The total income tax is basically the same between California and Ontario Canada. About 53%. (Federal + State)
California has far and away the highest income tax rate in the country at 13.3%. New Jersey is 5th at 8.97%. New York is 8th at 8.82%. (These are all top bracket rates).
It's very rare for a city to have an income tax. New York City is one of the few ones that do. It's about 3%. So even considering that, it's still cheaper than California if you're a high earner.
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KingsFan7824
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There's a, er, ah, $5,000 leaving town tax.
If what Avery said there is accurate, from $13.2m to $660k, that's a fairly impressive drop. And just himself wasting $1m on "stuff"? Seems like it's almost too easy to spend money sometimes.
It's quite simple for US based players. The biggest portion of taxes are federal and state. At Kopi's level, he pays 39.6% federal marginal rate and 13.3% state tax for CA. The state tax rate is the biggest variable between markets-- California and NYC are amongst the highest. NYC is 8.8% state + 3.9% city = 12.7%. A state like Florida, NV, and TX have Zero state income tax. Hence Stamkos in Tampa doesn't need as high a gross salary since he has a higher take home pay.
lexlavender
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As someone who works in accounting for entertainment, I'd be surprised if these guys paid the full tax hit they are subject to. Actors, producer, directors and writers don't even pay the "full taxes" on their income; usually they form loan-out corporations and just pay corporate taxes. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a similar tax loophole in sports.
As for the entertainment tax someone asked about, I don't think there is an entertainment tax, but that taxes in general were to high to originally shoot movies in Cali. But they just passed a tax break for filming in California recently, so production is coming back.
As for the entertainment tax someone asked about, I don't think there is an entertainment tax, but that taxes in general were to high to originally shoot movies in Cali. But they just passed a tax break for filming in California recently, so production is coming back.
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