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Re: Purcell, heard there may have been a little talk with another team, pre-waivers. Possible it continues. Checking to see immediate plan.


Have been hearing that on and off for the last 3 weeks, Kings eyeing a scoring winger.
 
deeshamrock said:
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Re: Purcell, heard there may have been a little talk with another team, pre-waivers. Possible it continues. Checking to see immediate plan.


Have been hearing that on and off for the last 3 weeks, Kings eyeing a scoring winger.
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Uhh, wouldn't Teddy Purcell be a scoring winger? At least he has been in the past.
 
lumbergh said:
Uhh, wouldn't Teddy Purcell be a scoring winger? At least he has been in the past.
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Past being the key word there. And that was a poor decision that I think DL recognized and is trying to fix.


I had thought when the NESN rumor that one of the teams interested in Ryan Spooner was a prominent team from the WC, that might have been the Kings but it turned out to be the Sharks. And Spooner is still being shopped.
I think Spooner is a good forward , just struggling a bit. His success , esp last year, was playing 3C, this year most of those shifts went to Belensky and Spooner was dropped to the 4th line. IMO, wrong move, a scoring center, or a center who can score with finishers, shouldn't be buried on the 4 th line w/o them, esp one who is developng.
 
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I don't see the point of us making a trade unless it is to unload a contract for draft picks, like Teddy Purcell, which is unlikely considering he wasn't claimed on waivers. We have minimal cap space to get a scoring winger that can make a difference (sort of like the Carter or Gaborik trades a few seasons ago), and it is not worth wasting draft picks for an aging veteran or middle-tier winger who is going to be a UFA next season.

At this point, we should just play with the team we have, considering everyone on the current roster at least knows Sutter's system, which is dependent on team play and not the abilities of one player.

Also, it appears we finally have decent defensive pairings thanks to Forbort, Gravel, and an improved McNabb. We don't have the assets or cap space to acquire a stud top 4 defenseman, so there is no trade to be made to shore up our defense either.
 
Doubt they are looking for an impact player but rather someone who is better suited to play on the bottom 6 and costs a little less.
 
Telos said:
Doubt they are looking for an impact player but rather someone who is better suited to play on the bottom 6 and costs a little less.
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we have to many bottom six players we need a top 6 winger to play with kopitar so we can move lewis back down where he belongs. Wingers like Vanek(2.75 m) or Vbata (1 million) would be the type of wingers i would go after
 
deeshamrock said:
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Re: Purcell, heard there may have been a little talk with another team, pre-waivers. Possible it continues. Checking to see immediate plan.


Have been hearing that on and off for the last 3 weeks, Kings eyeing a scoring winger.
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Wouldnt be purcell involved but i would do terrible things to get marko dano in a kings jersey. Hes the perfect fit for the kings system with his hockey sense and creativity. Being misused in winnipeg. Something around dano for gravel/mcnabb would be a wonderful deal.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
we have to many bottom six players we need a top 6 winger to play with kopitar so we can move lewis back down where he belongs. Wingers like Vanek(2.75 m) or Vbata (1 million) would be the type of wingers i would go after
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We may have to use one of our own towards a player like that and replace them with a filler that we can get for Purcell, not to mention gain a little cap relief in the process.
 
Telos said:
Doubt they are looking for an impact player but rather someone who is better suited to play on the bottom 6 and costs a little less.
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No, the stuff I've read is DL is seeking a young, legit top LW for Kopi. I even read on one of the East Coast sites that Pearson might be sacrificed if the right package included a more skilled player that would suit AK. They didn't mention a team but said they heard a couple of the EC teams were involved in conversations. I wouldn't do that, I like Pearson, but if DL thinks Kempe can take his spot next season, that might be what he's eyeing. Or maybe it's just all talk.
Bottom 6 wasn't in any of the stuff I read.

Look, most GM"s make the call, they talk, they are a fraternity. You make the call, you sniff around ,ask a few questions. Most of those conversations never come to fruition. But you never know what the other team wants and what they will give up, depending.

If someone told me end of last year the the Devils would get Taylor Hall for Larrsson, I would have laughed outright. But the Oilers wanted Larsson, other GM's after that deal were abit confused, sayiing they're package was better. You just never know...
 
deeshamrock said:
No, the stuff I've read is DL is seeking a young, legit top LW for Kopi. I even read on one of the East Coast sites that Pearson might be sacrificed if the right package included a more skilled player that would suit AK. They didn't mention a team but said they heard a couple of the EC teams were involved in conversations. I wouldn't do that, I like Pearson, but if DL thinks Kempe can take his spot next season, that might be what he's eyeing. Or maybe it's just all talk.
Bottom 6 wasn't in any of the stuff I read.

Look, most GM"s make the call, they talk, they are a fraternity. You make the call, you sniff around ,ask a few questions. Most of those conversations never come to fruition. But you never know what the other team wants and what they will give up, depending.

If someone told me end of last year the the Devils would get Taylor Hall for Larrsson, I would have laughed outright. But the Oilers wanted Larsson, other GM's after that deal were abit confused, sayiing they're package was better. You just never know...
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Yeah, I meant for Purcell, but I hear what you're saying. Tires are kicked and who knows what deals they are working on. I don't know how many players are out there that fit that bill but it would be amazing if DL could pull a deal like that off. In general I wonder how they are going to keep what they have now let alone a new offensive scoring threat :P Go get em Deano!
 
Telos said:
Doubt they are looking for an impact player but rather someone who is better suited to play on the bottom 6 and costs a little less.
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Our bottom six is fine. I don't think there is anyone out there that would make our bottom six better, considering our cap circumstances and lack of assets. Our greatest need is a scoring winger to play with Kopitar, which we have no cap and assets to acquire.
 
Holden Caulfield said:
Wouldnt be purcell involved but i would do terrible things to get marko dano in a kings jersey. Hes the perfect fit for the kings system with his hockey sense and creativity. Being misused in winnipeg. Something around dano for gravel/mcnabb would be a wonderful deal.
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I would not mind this. We already playing Lewis on the first line and this would give us another option when Lewis cools down or have a great bottom six player. Just not sure i am ready to give up Gravel, but McNabb is more than available in my eyes.
 
AlphaBravo said:
I don't see the point of us making a trade unless it is to unload a contract for draft picks, like Teddy Purcell, which is unlikely considering he wasn't claimed on waivers. We have minimal cap space to get a scoring winger that can make a difference (sort of like the Carter or Gaborik trades a few seasons ago), and it is not worth wasting draft picks for an aging veteran or middle-tier winger who is going to be a UFA next season.

At this point, we should just play with the team we have, considering everyone on the current roster at least knows Sutter's system, which is dependent on team play and not the abilities of one player.

Also, it appears we finally have decent defensive pairings thanks to Forbort, Gravel, and an improved McNabb. We don't have the assets or cap space to acquire a stud top 4 defenseman, so there is no trade to be made to shore up our defense either.
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Well, we do have but one of those D that will be gone anyway in the summer
 
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AlphaBravo said:
Our bottom six is fine. I don't think there is anyone out there that would make our bottom six better, considering our cap circumstances and lack of assets. Our greatest need is a scoring winger to play with Kopitar, which we have no cap and assets to acquire.
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To further that I think we actually have too much bottom 6. Andreoff surely should be playing, Nolan and Clifford have been effective, Shore even scored, Dowd and Brown and whoever they are with have been solid. Lewis will be moving down to increase the log jam.

As for a scoring winger, it all depends on the age group. If the available player was cost controlled and RFA, (which are rarely available), I don't think any prospect would be off limits. Kempe, Gravel, whoever. If they want Forbort or McNabb and a first in addition, its an easy yes.

I think a journeyman is far more likely, and then it gets tricky about what to give up.
 
with all this talk of young winger on elc would Anthony Duclair be a possibility ? He has been rumoured to be available There was a mention coyote s were interested in purcell before the waivers is it a fit ? I realize more to it but would it be a fit
 
Too bad we didn't go after Vrbata or Versteeg in the offseason, both players seem to be panning out for their teams. But this is the Kings, where goal scoring is far more difficult.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Our bottom six is fine. I don't think there is anyone out there that would make our bottom six better, considering our cap circumstances and lack of assets. Our greatest need is a scoring winger to play with Kopitar, which we have no cap and assets to acquire.
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Yeah, I was just talking about taking some random roster player and getting some minor cap relief to give Purcell a no-risk chance on a club who may need a stop-gap 2nd/3rd line winger.

If we are talking about actually filling needs, like to get a new scoring winger, we would likely have to weaken in areas of strength, like giving up one of our better bottom 6 players in the package it would take and replace them with someone lesser. It depends on the level of player we are talking about here, but if you want a first line winger talent then we are talking about a deal like the Mike Richards deal where we gave up Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, and a 2nd. If we are talking about acquiring a true talent, then we are talking about trading Pearson + Kempe + a 2nd to start...

As you said, it is personnel and cap space we really don't have to give up, but that's what it would take to fill that need. Dean would have to go all-in and probably put his job on the line in the process. In the end, I think he will make a safe play and go for a lesser stop-gap trade deadline move, like the Versteeg maneuver. Ultimately, this is a competitive team, and he is just trying to keep the core together and juggle around cheaper prospects and keep juggling them for as long as he can before they fall out of our grasp and to another team.
 
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I don't get it. A scoring winger makes this team better in the playoffs? The problems right now are D and Goal. Hopefully Quick coming back at some point will fix the goal issue.

How does trading Pearson for a scoring winger help? Sure you could add and maybe get a better player, who will probably have a larger cap hit. Just don't see it.

With Brown becoming a hockey player again and the 3rd line producing, this team is a lot closer to competing in the playoffs. Maybe it's enough to get Dean working on something.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Makes me wonder if that's what the rumored offensive player was
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About a month ago, just before the 'scoring winger' stuff popped up, I backed into an Isles blog via twitter. And in that blog there was a cryptic note something to the effect of (paraphrasing) 'now that the talks with the Kings have cooled down, talks with the Leafs (JVR) are heating up'. So by the ref to JVR (young winger) the only piece similar that the Kings would 'talk' about might be Pearson.

So my first thought was Snow under pressure to get a scoring winger for Tavares and maybe he's the one making calls and reached out to DL asking about Pearson. My thought was DL looking to improve D, asked for Hamonic. Of course it was no different than any other reporter/blogger who 'hears' rumors, and again GM's 'talk' a lot, (I think) asking around. They hear Team X is shopping a certain player and they call or they hear from another GM Team X called them asking about a middle 6 forward and then they call the GM and ' talk'.

Could be DL is trying to find a 'project' of sorts , that is, a youngish forward who was drafted with fairly high expectations that haven't panned out and maybe that team is up against the CAP or needs a 'fit' of their own.


Also, we don't know what conversations if any have taken place between DL and the owners. Playoff success and the revenue that goes with it are what owners strive for and maybe 2 years of failure in that regard, is putting pressure on DL. Maybe there was a conversation regarding changes that would come if the Kings don't make the grade this year.

I hope he waits until Feb to see where this team is and uses his head, no more heart over head bad decisions. If the Kings are not within 6 pts or so of 4th, don't trade the future away agiain for the 'veteran difference maker'

Time will tell...
 
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