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Trolfoli said:
He's put up 50-60 points the last 2 seasons and has played around 70 games both of those seasons. He'd be a good pick up for a depth top 6 player that can fill in on wing or at center in case of injury.
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You're getting a 36 year old forward signed until 2021 with a $6m cap hit for depth up front? Even if Detroit were to retain 50%, that's still a lot of money for yet another aging forward. Plus if you're planning on getting him on the cheap, then little is going back to Detroit, which means all the guys the Kings need to sign get that much more complicated to sign.

Don't know how much Detroit would get back. The move would be about rebuilding, after losing Datsyuk. Lombardi got Schenn + VL for Weal +3rd, if I'm remembering right. Also Detroit would be looking to mitigate the recapture penalty in case Zetterberg retires.
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And the only reason Lombardi got those guys is because Lecavalier was going to retire, and Schenn was a UFA. Plus, the Flyers didn't even want Lecavalier around. Zetterberg is still the captain in Detroit.

Johnny Utah said:
Can we all agree Zatkoff was a terrible signing. Budaj has outplayed him big time.

Actually all Lombardis signings this summer has been terrible. Latta, Trotman, Purcell and Zatkoff. The only decent signing was Setoguchi and that was at the end of camp and he has been terrible recently.
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Zatkoff was signed for the expansion draft, and none of the signings this summer were supposed to be world changing. Latta and Trotman signed for the league minimum. Purcell, they took a chance. Zatkoff, again, signed to expose in the draft, and he can be sent to the AHL with little to no cap hit.

They couldn't afford Lucic(or any other winger). They had Brown and Gaborik. They just went out quietly to the Sharks in 5, after blowing a 12 point division lead. Just question, after question, after question about the team. Lombardi did what he should've done; take a breath, reset things a bit, and figure out if this team is still worth investing in. Because he went all in with Sekera and Lucic, and it blew up in just about the worst case scenario each time.
 
As long as it doesn't effect the signings of Toffoli or Pearson, I'd be fine with Z for a few years. There are enough guys moving out in the next couple years that will likely be replaced by cheaper contracts. By the time he's older this team is going to be ready for a blowup anyways.

I don't see Detroit retaining that much on that contract, though. They have young talent to fit in, but it just doesn't seem to fit Holland's MO.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Can we all agree Zatkoff was a terrible signing. Budaj has outplayed him big time.

Actually all Lombardis signings this summer has been terrible. Latta, Trotman, Purcell and Zatkoff. The only decent signing was Setoguchi and that was at the end of camp and he has been terrible recently.
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the players might not be panning out but they are all on relatively cheap, short-lived contracts. I would rather have a bunch of these contracts than a big stinker ( Lucic) that would hurt the team for longer than one season. Im sure the expansion draft played a big part in how Dean approached the off season

as for the Zetterberg talk, ya'll are nuts
 
I love how people criticize Lombardi for signing scrubs in the offseason, and also complaining that Lombardi should not waste our assets. You can't have it both ways. Lombardi signed a bunch of guys at ~$1MM and on one year deals to see if any of them miraculously pan out, to fill holes until some of our rookies are ready, and also for depth in the AHL club. Lombardi neither had assets nor cap space to sign Radolov or any other big name out there in the offseason. In fact, some of those signings (like Ladd and Lucic) were ridiculous and would cause us more harm than good long-term. Glad we stayed out of that **** show.

We were in the offseason, and still are now, stuck with this team with all of its strengths and flaws. We don't have assets or cap space to get a dynamic difference making player at the trade deadline (ala Carter). There is also no point in getting a Versteeg type of player at the deadline because it is a waste of draft picks, and I would rather Sutter play our bottom 6ers who already know the system, which the Kings heavily depend on to win.

Next year we may see actual and significant changes in this club (good or bad). If there is a miracle and Vegas takes Brown or Gabby, that will free up serious cap space to safely sign both Pearson and Toffoli. If we don't lose Brown or Gabby (which is likely), Dean would have to: (1) liquidate our bottom six and replace some of these players with rookies (Mersch swapping in for King, Kempe swapping in for Clifford, trading Lewis etc.); (2) trade Pearson for a rookie on ELC; or (3) trade one of our defenseman for cap space (Greene on final contract year, or Martinez, which I am not in favor of).
 
I agree with your last paragraph but still let's break it down...

Tom Gilbert - 1.4
Teddy Purcell - 1.6
Michael Latta - 600K
Zach Trotman - 650K

That is over 4 million. That doesn't include Zatkoff and his 900K, which is strange because the Kings already had Budaj at 600K. Could have signed another AHL goalie to support Jack Campbell and promoted Budaj and signed him to 2 year if the Kings worried about expansion.

Or Lombardi could have used that 4 million to get a decent back up goalie. Or save for cap space for the deadline.

Plus, Lombardi re-signed Lewis and didn't deal Brown, King, or Clifford. The bottom 6 minus Dowd is EXACTLY the same for 2-3 years and still resembles somewhat the bottom 6 from 2011-2012. Luckily, this year Nolan has some points and Andreoff looked like he was continuing his success from last year before getting hurt. Shore still is useless.

The bottom 6 will never change unless Lombardi totally re-tools it.

What was the point of signing Gilbert when even us fans knew the Kings wouldn't risk losing Forbort on waivers and Gravel was ready??

Lombardi signed 5 guys, one (Zatkoff) is riding the pine between Budaj (an AHL goalie), one (Gilbert) is sitting in the press box behind Greene and Gravel and the other 3 (Trotman, Latta, and Purcell) are in the AHL.
 
Look at the bottom 6.

King-Dowd-Brown
Clifford-Shore-Nolan

Swap Dowd for Stoll and Shore for Richardson and you have the SAME bottom 6 from 2011-2012. No speed.

Dumping King does nothing unless Kings promote Kempe because putting Mersch with Dowd and Brown is essentially a swap. Another slow moving big body. Kings need SPEED in the bottom 6 along with grit.

Brown is the problem, he needs to go so it will open up the 3rd line RW spot and allow for King or Mersch able to slot on the LW on that line. Also, with Clifford, Andreoff and Nolan I think the Kings can deal one and put a quick forward at LW or RW on the 4th line. Brodzinski-Shore-Andreoff/Nolan or Clifford-Shore-Brodzinski
 
Johnny Utah said:
I agree with your last paragraph but still let's break it down...

Tom Gilbert - 1.4
Teddy Purcell - 1.6
Michael Latta - 600K
Zach Trotman - 650K

That is over 4 million. That doesn't include Zatkoff and his 900K, which is strange because the Kings already had Budaj at 600K. Could have signed another AHL goalie to support Jack Campbell and promoted Budaj and signed him to 2 year if the Kings worried about expansion.

Or Lombardi could have used that 4 million to get a decent back up goalie. Or save for cap space for the deadline.

Plus, Lombardi re-signed Lewis and didn't deal Brown, King, or Clifford. The bottom 6 minus Dowd is EXACTLY the same for 2-3 years and still resembles somewhat the bottom 6 from 2011-2012. Luckily, this year Nolan has some points and Andreoff looked like he was continuing his success from last year before getting hurt. Shore still is useless.

The bottom 6 will never change unless Lombardi totally re-tools it.

What was the point of signing Gilbert when even us fans knew the Kings wouldn't risk losing Forbort on waivers and Gravel was ready??

Lombardi signed 5 guys, one (Zatkoff) is riding the pine between Budaj (an AHL goalie), one (Gilbert) is sitting in the press box behind Greene and Gravel and the other 3 (Trotman, Latta, and Purcell) are in the AHL.
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Well Latta and Trotman don't count towards our cap because their salaries are less than $900k and they are playing in the NHL. I think Gilbert was a good signing. Its only for one year, and they could use an insurance defenseman (other than his last game, I actually think he has been pretty solid). With Purcell now in the AHL, the offseason signings are really costing us $2.3 MM. Considering we couldn't get a player that would be considered a difference maker at that price, not signing all of these players would not make any difference.

The important thing is that Lombardi signed these players to one-year deals, which gives us security for next year that they wont count towards the cap if they don't pan out. With the emergence of Forbort and Gravel, McNabb taking a turn, and LaDue coming up next year, we wont need Gilbert and can trade Greene at a price (final year of contract, a bottom dweller team will take him for a draft pick).
 
I truly don't understand the present griping re: the bottom 6. Why not bring it up when, for instance, they are sucking? And fretting over a backup goalie making sub 1 mil, who has been hurt most of the season?

The cigarette butts that squirrels will fight over, I guess.
 
The bottom six scoring at the pace they are, is what is keeping the Kings afloat.

There is not a problem there.
 
The top six is the big problem, hell, players who usually play in a bottom six role have been forced to move up the lineup because of how subpar the top six has been. And Kopitar has been as productive as a good checking line center.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Plus, Lombardi re-signed Lewis and didn't deal Brown, King, or Clifford. The bottom 6 minus Dowd is EXACTLY the same for 2-3 years and still resembles somewhat the bottom 6 from 2011-2012. Luckily, this year Nolan has some points and Andreoff looked like he was continuing his success from last year before getting hurt. Shore still is useless.

The bottom 6 will never change unless Lombardi totally re-tools it.
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There is no reason to complain about the bottom 6 right now. The only reason people do has to be because they're just used to doing it. Little more than a knee jerk reaction. King and Lewis are producing. Pearson and Toffoli are not.

Brown is the problem, he needs to go so it will open up the 3rd line RW spot
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You find the team that's going to take his contract. You can retain 50% of his contract if you want, but I'm going to guess Lombardi would still have to add to the deal to move that contract.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I agree with your last paragraph but still let's break it down...

Tom Gilbert - 1.4
Teddy Purcell - 1.6
Michael Latta - 600K
Zach Trotman - 650K

That is over 4 million. That doesn't include Zatkoff and his 900K, which is strange because the Kings already had Budaj at 600K. Could have signed another AHL goalie to support Jack Campbell and promoted Budaj and signed him to 2 year if the Kings worried about expansion.

Or Lombardi could have used that 4 million to get a decent back up goalie. Or save for cap space for the deadline.

Plus, Lombardi re-signed Lewis and didn't deal Brown, King, or Clifford. The bottom 6 minus Dowd is EXACTLY the same for 2-3 years and still resembles somewhat the bottom 6 from 2011-2012. Luckily, this year Nolan has some points and Andreoff looked like he was continuing his success from last year before getting hurt. Shore still is useless.

The bottom 6 will never change unless Lombardi totally re-tools it.

What was the point of signing Gilbert when even us fans knew the Kings wouldn't risk losing Forbort on waivers and Gravel was ready??

Lombardi signed 5 guys, one (Zatkoff) is riding the pine between Budaj (an AHL goalie), one (Gilbert) is sitting in the press box behind Greene and Gravel and the other 3 (Trotman, Latta, and Purcell) are in the AHL.
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They signed Gilbert cause Greene played 3 games last season. Full season in 2014-15 which was good but less than half the year before that and 5 in the lockout year the year before that. Gilbert was insurance. And Jon Rosen mentioned they didn't want to expose Gravel to a full 82 to game season yet. Not much risk signing Gilbert for $1.6 million. A backup goalie, Zatkoff, at $900,000 is nothing. I agree that adding that up is $2.5 million they could've spent somewhere else, more if you include Purcell, but it's decent depth for a team that had none.

Latta and Trotman are in the AHL and count nothing against the Kings salary cap limit. Purcell I agree was a bad signing though. No one thought he'd fit in a Sutter system.
 
I have zero issues with the king's offseason signings. Purcell didn't work out but still can. Even so not a huge cap hit with him in the AHL and provides a safety net if the team gets dinged up again.
Hard to be mad about Trotman and Ladda who aren't counting against the cap.
Zatkoff has been injured but he won the camp battle and I believe is the better goalie. If Quick was healthy it would not matter.
Gilbert was the one signing I was puzzled at during the summer, however he definitely has not hurt the club.

Based on point percentage LA is right up near the top of the division, why is everyone complaining? Is it because they are currently out of the playoffs? They have lots of games in hand.
 
I have no issues with the signings. Kings were right up against the cap and they got players with no term and can be buried in the AHL with little/no cap hit. zatkoff had to be signed for a backup and for the expansion draft.

I think Zetterberg would be a horrible long term acquisition. Too much term and too high a cap hit down the line. It would be too handcuffing and would require too many assets the kings don't have especially if detroit retains.
 
I am pumped Zatkoff is starting tonight. Budaj needs a few games off nd I think Zatkoff is the better goalie.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Can we all agree Zatkoff was a terrible signing. Budaj has outplayed him big time.

Actually all Lombardis signings this summer has been terrible. Latta, Trotman, Purcell and Zatkoff. The only decent signing was Setoguchi and that was at the end of camp and he has been terrible recently.
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Now I agree.
 
HookKing said:
Now I agree.
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I haven't seen a goalie look as uncomfortable as Zatkoff does in a long time. I knew when that early shot rang off the post it was going to be a long night. I have zero confidence that he will make key stops and give the team a chance to win when he's in.
 
Fishhead said:
I haven't seen a goalie look as uncomfortable as Zatkoff does in a long time. I knew when that early shot rang off the post it was going to be a long night. I have zero confidence that he will make key stops and give the team a chance to win when he's in.
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Agreed. He's hardly played much but that's a huge part of the job and he isn't helping the team at all.
 
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