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2016-2017 Kings Roster Talk Part IV

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BigKing said:
Kings don't match up well with any of the remaining teams in the playoffs.

They didn't match up well with any of the 16 that made it in the first place along with some of the ones that didn't make it either.

I highly doubt there is a move that Blake can make to seriously alter this team in a positive way. Going to need the core players to put up career averages (or equal career bests for 70 and 73) and then hope that the youth can make an impact with "impact" defined as more than just showing up and taking a shift.

Same boat as last season. Maybe a D for F swap but that will make the defense worse no matter how bad Muzzin or Martinez were last season. There doesn't appear to be a savior coming up from Ontario and I stopped penciling in top prospects during the early 00's.

Hope in one hand, **** in the other and see which gets full first. That's something to remember for those posters that see Top 6 and Top 4 scenarios for the Kings Top 10 prospects.

Only "hope" I have is that the best players on this team have fun or whatever is needed post-Sutter and it leads to results on the ice. Not the greatest thing to hang my hat on but at least I've seen these guys perform at a high level in the NHL v. counting on Mersch to pot 20 next season.
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Kings actually had a great year against Central teams.
 
kingsholygrail said:
Kings actually had a great year against Central teams.
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12-9 with seven of the wins coming in 3 v. 3 gimmick OT. Two OT losses and 1 SO loss.

27 out of a possible 42 points for a .642% is pretty darn good as far as points go for sure; however, that doesn't mean that they matched up well with any of the Central teams that made the playoffs. You look at how this team played after Quick's first game back and there is no way someone with a grasp of reality could think they match-up well with anyone.

The 2017 version of the LA Kings were not a good team. Proof is in the pudding.
 
BigKing said:
12-9 with seven of the wins coming in 3 v. 3 gimmick OT. Two OT losses and 1 SO loss.

27 out of a possible 42 points for a .642% is pretty darn good as far as points go for sure; however, that doesn't mean that they matched up well with any of the Central teams that made the playoffs. You look at how this team played after Quick's first game back and there is no way someone with a grasp of reality could think they match-up well with anyone.

The 2017 version of the LA Kings were not a good team. Proof is in the pudding.
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You're right the 2017 team wasn't good but lets not pretend this team didnt suffer an unimaginable amount of key injuries most notably to Jon Quick ... Yet it still had enough to almost make the playoffs.. Now is that to say the Kings are a contender? I have no idea but they should make the playoffs. We all know what this team is capable of and we've all seen how a coaching change can impact a team...(SJ, PIT,ANA,BOS,OTT,NASH)
 
kings11 said:
You're right the 2017 team wasn't good but lets not pretend this team didnt suffer an unimaginable amount of key injuries most notably to Jon Quick ... Yet it still had enough to almost make the playoffs.. Now is that to say the Kings are a contender? I have no idea but they should make the playoffs. We all know what this team is capable of and we've all seen how a coaching change can impact a team...(SJ, PIT,ANA,BOS,OTT,NASH)
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Not unimaginable as I've seen the Kings go through worse, let alone other teams.

They almost made the playoffs in 2015. They did not almost make the playoffs this season.

Should they make the playoffs next season? Too early to tell but, assuming the top players perform to career bests and there are no injuries, they probably should.

That is next season though. The point is that the 2017 Kings do not match up well with the playoff teams that are still playing regardless if they beat Nashville all three meetings this year.
 
BigKing said:
Not unimaginable as I've seen the Kings go through worse, let alone other teams.

They almost made the playoffs in 2015. They did not almost make the playoffs this season.

Should they make the playoffs next season? Too early to tell but, assuming the top players perform to career bests and there are no injuries, they probably should.

That is next season though. The point is that the 2017 Kings do not match up well with the playoff teams that are still playing regardless if they beat Nashville all three meetings this year.
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Too early to predict, new GM and new head coach there will be some changes coming. Not only on the Kings but there will be some NHL teams scrambling to prevent Vegas from poaching a player like Silfverberg in Anaheim. There are a few NHL teams that did not or could not prepare for this draft, like Chicago with their 8 NMC's. I'm sure Vegas will be willing to make some deals with those teams but it's going to cost depth.
 
The Ducks have the following players with NMCs:

Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler, Vermette, Cagliano, and Bieksa (but apparently Vermette's limited NMC does not preclude him being taken in the expansion draft, so the Ducks won't have to protect him)

Bieksa, and Cagliano are you f'ing kidding me?

Vegas will likely take Vatanen, Lindholm, or Fowler in the expansion draft. Ducks fans think one of these may be traded prior to the expansion draft, but I would think they would not want to risk losing two of those three.

Vegas could get a very good, young defenseman from the Ducks.
 
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KINGS17 said:
The Ducks have the following players with NMCs:

Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler, Vermette, Cagliano, and Bieksa (but apparently Vermette's limited NMC does not preclude him being taken in the expansion draft, so the Ducks won't have to protect him)

Bieksa, and Cagliano are you f'ing kidding me?

Vegas will likely take Vatanen, Lindholm, or Fowler in the expansion draft. Ducks fans think one of these may be traded prior to the expansion draft, but I would think they would not want to risk losing two of those three.

Vegas could get a very good, young defenseman from the Ducks.
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TFP has Bieksa and Cogliano with NTC's and Vermette a NMC.
 
I think getting rid of Sutter will do wonders for this team. If they all seemed to hate him, according to rumors most they did. Then a new boss might actually put some jump into them and actually make them happy to come to work rather than just something they have to do. We've all had some boss we've hated enough that it just made you try a little less everyday at work. I mean when I read Browns comments about how he just shows up, plays and then leaves. It's no wonder half the team was playing like they didn't care.
 
Docgonzo said:
I think getting rid of Sutter will do wonders for this team. If they all seemed to hate him, according to rumors most they did. Then a new boss might actually put some jump into them and actually make them happy to come to work rather than just something they have to do. We've all had some boss we've hated enough that it just made you try a little less everyday at work. I mean when I read Browns comments about how he just shows up, plays and then leaves. It's no wonder half the team was playing like they didn't care.
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I missed this.

I am a sutter supporter but fully believe that coaches like Sutter lose their room after a while and have a definite shelve life. That life has expired and it's for the best. I listen to Rhett Warrener and he has nothing but great things to say about Sutter, and looking back on how Sutter was there when players needed him. I imagine a lot of the players, like Brown, will look back at Sutter in a different way in a decade.
 
Docgonzo said:
I think getting rid of Sutter will do wonders for this team. If they all seemed to hate him, according to rumors most they did. Then a new boss might actually put some jump into them and actually make them happy to come to work rather than just something they have to do. We've all had some boss we've hated enough that it just made you try a little less everyday at work. I mean when I read Browns comments about how he just shows up, plays and then leaves. It's no wonder half the team was playing like they didn't care.
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Brown's teammates also said he never hangs out with them either. So maybe that's just Brown.
 
Johnny Utah said:
So who will the Ducks protect?
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My guess is they go 7-3-1. NMC forwards would be Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler. Then also Rakell, Silfverberg, Cogliano, and either Sorensen, Shaw, or Wagner (don't know enough about any of them). Then for d-men they protect Lindholm, Fowler, and Manson. Bieksa will waive his NMC. There's no way Vegas takes him anyways. Or if he doesn't then they buy him out and just take the $3.5 million penalty. Ducks won't risk losing a young asset to keep Bieksa. Would be stupid no matter what the penalty is.

I also think Vatanen will be traded. He's terrible and Montour (expansion exempt) can easily take his place in the lineup. Not sure if the Ducks will have enough time but I also could see them trading Fowler instead of Vatanen. Fowler has 1 year left on his deal and then will get a huge raise. Not sure the Ducks can afford that raise.

There's also someone on the LAKI who claims to know Perry and says that he will be traded this summer. He said the Ducks are tired of Perry (apparently there are some big off-ice issues) and Perry is also done with the Ducks.
 
That's surprising about Perry. I know he's a ***** on the ice but I always figured he was loved in the locker room and organization.
 
Sacha Baron Corbin said:
That's surprising about Perry. I know he's a ***** on the ice but I always figured he was loved in the locker room and organization.
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That's what I thought too. Obviously the person on LAKI couldn't go into too much detail but he said that's mainly the reason for Perry's poor season. In my opinion it hasn't really looked like Perry has cared too much in these playoffs either. Hardly even notice him 75% of the time.
 
YP44 said:
I will believe Perry gets moved when I see it.
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I feel the same way but this guy keeps saying that Perry won't be back next season. But yeah, it's not like he can just leave as a free agent. Lot has to go into him being moved. Things even more complicated with his NMC.
 
KINGS17 said:
Vegas will likely take Vatanen, Lindholm, or Fowler in the expansion draft. Ducks fans think one of these may be traded prior to the expansion draft, but I would think they would not want to risk losing two of those three.

Vegas could get a very good, young defenseman from the Ducks.
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I don't believe those defenseman listed will be exposed. They won't protect Manson over Varanen unless they make some type of side deal with Vegas to ensure Vatanen is not drafted.

They also have Montour and Theodore who are exempt, so they are fine.

I too could see one of those 3 getting moved prior to the draft. It would make sense.
 
KINGS17 said:
Perry's contract sucks. Which team would want him?
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If Brown's mini resurgence lasts and Perry's downward fall lasts whose contract is worse?
I am thinking I would rather have Brown but I hate Perry a lot so that maybe effecting my judgment.
 
kovacro said:
I don't believe those defenseman listed will be exposed. They won't protect Manson over Varanen unless they make some type of side deal with Vegas to ensure Vatanen is not drafted.

They also have Montour and Theodore who are exempt, so they are fine.

I too could see one of those 3 getting moved prior to the draft. It would make sense.
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Don't the Ducks pretty much have to go with the 7-3-1 approach if they don't want to expose Rakell?

Then they have Bieksa with an NMC, which means they can only protect two defensemen of the three mentioned. Duck homers are hopeful Bieksa will waive his NMC so the Ducks can trade him or leave him unprotected. Why would Bieksa waive?
 
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