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2016-2017 Kings Roster Talk Part III

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KingTrouty said:
Read Calgary in on him, too, Brodeur.
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Sounded like there were 15 clubs making offers on him. Can't blame teams for trying to court free assets.

KingTrouty said:
Pray to baby Jesus we land him. He could perhaps be our Panarin

Rocky, can we compete against these clubs in purchasing his contract? Does his rights/contract count against the cap?
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The CBA does structure contract length for ELCs, so most of the offers will be similar (2 year deal, two-way, with a max 925K guaranteed if he's in the NHL). Teams can offer bonuses, but usually those don't get triggered unless he pulls a Panarin.

A team like LA could try to convince him that he'd be more likely to get top 6 playing time than other situations. Other teams offered more hypothetical bonuses to Panarin, but he figured he'd be more likely to achieve those bonuses with Chicago.

He'd presumably jump in right away which actually is a negotiating ploy. For guys signing their first contract over 20, they can burn a year off their ELC by being on an NHL roster for one game. So I'd imagine Aston-Reese will be on an NHL roster by next week, but no guarantees that he'll be playing every game.
 
Brodeur said:
The CBA does structure contract length for ELCs, so most of the offers will be similar (2 year deal, two-way, with a max 925K guaranteed if he's in the NHL). Teams can offer bonuses, but usually those don't get triggered unless he pulls a Panarin.

A team like LA could try to convince him that he'd be more likely to get top 6 playing time than other situations. Other teams offered more hypothetical bonuses to Panarin, but he figured he'd be more likely to achieve those bonuses with Chicago.

He'd presumably jump in right away which actually is a negotiating ploy. For guys signing their first contract over 20, they can burn a year off their ELC by being on an NHL roster for one game. So I'd imagine Aston-Reese will be on an NHL roster by next week, but no guarantees that he'll be playing every game.
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Then it stands to reason, if he is going to go to the team offering him the most performance bonuses, we're out, due to being as cap-stricken as we are, Brodeur? Looking at this as realistically as possibly?
 
tsanuri said:
This would be great. But will DL be willing to give him what he's asking for.
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Offers should be fairly structured. It has to be a two year, two way deal. As much as teams can sell the likelihood of a guy being on an NHL roster, I think most would stop short of guaranteeing that they wouldn't send him down if he wasn't earning his spot.

We'll see what size of bonus package Aston-Reese will command. But I can only imagine he's unlikely to be sniffing at any "B" bonuses.

Nice summary of ELC bonuses: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/6/14/4414710/getting-to-know-the-cba-episode-2-the-draft

Performance bonuses are fairly strictly-defined. They're automatically counted as "earned" for cap space consideration, but don't have to be paid unless earned. There are two categories of bonuses which can be paid:

1: Individual "A" Bonuses - These are broken into categories like ice time, goals, and plus/minus. Each category has a minimum requirement a team can bonus for (10 goals, for example) and each category may not create more than $215,00 worth of bonuses (you can bonus $100K at 10 goals and then $115K at 15 goals if you want). Total "A" Bonuses can't exceed $850,000.

2: Individual "B" Bonuses - This is kind of a two-part bonus system based on performance comparative to the rest of the league. First off, the league itself will pay the player a bonus outside of his Club-paid salary if he does things like earns a place in the top five for postseason awards like the Hart, Selke, or Vezina; or if he places top ten in the league in offensive/goaltending categories. On top of the league bonuses, the club can pay bonuses of up to $2M to the player for making these awards.

Basically, entry-level deals are a great way to inflate a cap hit without inflating a salary number. You have to offer the league minimum ($525,000 this season), but can't pay a player more than $925,000 in regular salary plus $850,000 in A bonuses plus $2,000,000 in B bonuses.
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Brodeur said:
Offers should be fairly structured. It has to be a two year, two way deal. As much as teams can sell the likelihood of a guy being on an NHL roster, I think most would stop short of guaranteeing that they wouldn't send him down if he wasn't earning his spot.

We'll see what size of bonus package Aston-Reese will command. But I can only imagine he's unlikely to be sniffing at any "B" bonuses.

Nice summary of ELC bonuses: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/6/14/4414710/getting-to-know-the-cba-episode-2-the-draft
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I fully know how the deal will be structured. But he's going to be asking to be in THE NHL. And maybe play in a specific place for a number of games. That's what my question is. WILL DL be willing to give him what he wants?
 
The thing with Aston-Reese is he's reliable defensively, too (at least per the scouting report, it's his two-way game), so he's not going to hurt our bottom six if he can't hack it. I imagine as far as opportunity, we'd be a great place for him. As far as futures, well, he's got buddies on our lottery winners up north...

But then if you're DL and also considering Brodzinski and Mersch, what else does this mean?
 
KingTrouty said:
Then it stands to reason, if he is going to go to the team offering him the most performance bonuses, we're out, due to being as cap-stricken as we are, Brodeur? Looking at this as realistically as possibly?
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That's the nice thing with ELCs, the guy only creates a cap problem if he earns it like Panarin. There's a little bit of flexibility there as well. If you're up against the cap one year and a guy earns his bonuses, you can push it to the following season. But that could create issues a year later like it did with Chicago when Toews/Kane's earned their bonuses.

The Kings could offer him the max bonus package (max potential cap hit around 3.75 mil) but only the actual payout would end up counting against the cap. Ie, you could offer him a bunch of "B" bonuses but gamble that he likely won't achieve them.
 
Brodeur said:
That's the nice thing with ELCs, the guy only creates a cap problem if he earns it like Panarin. There's a little bit of flexibility there as well. If you're up against the cap one year and a guy earns his bonuses, you can push it to the following season. But that could create issues a year later like it did with Chicago when Toews/Kane's earned their bonuses.

The Kings could offer him the max bonus package (max potential cap hit around 3.75 mil) but only the actual payout would end up counting against the cap. Ie, you could offer him a bunch of "B" bonuses but gamble that he likely won't achieve them.
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If he did, that would be the best sort of problem to have!
 
KingTrouty said:
Then it stands to reason, if he is going to go to the team offering him the most performance bonuses, we're out, due to being as cap-stricken as we are, Brodeur? Looking at this as realistically as possibly?
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We have 3.73M in cap space right now. And could free up more by Moving Greene to LTIR. So we're really not that stricken
 
Brodeur said:
That's the nice thing with ELCs, the guy only creates a cap problem if he earns it like Panarin. There's a little bit of flexibility there as well. If you're up against the cap one year and a guy earns his bonuses, you can push it to the following season. But that could create issues a year later like it did with Chicago when Toews/Kane's earned their bonuses.

The Kings could offer him the max bonus package (max potential cap hit around 3.75 mil) but only the actual payout would end up counting against the cap. Ie, you could offer him a bunch of "B" bonuses but gamble that he likely won't achieve them.
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Thank you, Brodeur, for the fantastic feedback.
 
I don't see Dwight King succeeding with any other team besides LA.

Most teams will assume because of his size, etc, he will be a Clifford, Boll, or Nolan and that's not him.

He needs to play on the 3rd line in a defensive oriented team with a tough coach. Maybe he could play for Columbus or a system like that.

I bet the farm he signs a 1 year deal in the off season with another NHL team if at all.

There is no really comparable player to him. He has the body and size of an NHL tough guy but is better defensively and along the boards. Doesn't have the temper unless you push him. He's like a less annoying Maxime Talbot. Good for 5-10 goals on a good team and can play on any line.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I don't see Dwight King succeeding with any other team besides LA.

Most teams will assume because of his size, etc, he will be a Clifford, Boll, or Nolan and that's not him.

He needs to play on the 3rd line in a defensive oriented team with a tough coach. Maybe he could play for Columbus or a system like that.

I bet the farm he signs a 1 year deal in the off season with another NHL team if at all.
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I'll put my farm up against yours.

As an UFA, he will get more than two years from someone. Also, there are spots for an additional 22 or so skaters due to Vegas next season.

No way he doesn't get a contract from someone. Only one-year would be shocking as well.
 
BigKing said:
I'll put my farm up against yours.

As an UFA, he will get more than two years from someone. Also, there are spots for an additional 22 or so skaters due to Vegas next season.

No way he doesn't get a contract from someone. Only one-year would be shocking as well.
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Let's just hope and pray it's MTL :)
 
Johnny Utah said:
I don't see Dwight King succeeding with any other team besides LA.

Most teams will assume because of his size, etc, he will be a Clifford, Boll, or Nolan and that's not him.

He needs to play on the 3rd line in a defensive oriented team with a tough coach. Maybe he could play for Columbus or a system like that.

I bet the farm he signs a 1 year deal in the off season with another NHL team if at all.

There is no really comparable player to him. He has the body and size of an NHL tough guy but is better defensively and along the boards. Doesn't have the temper unless you push him. He's like a less annoying Maxime Talbot. Good for 5-10 goals on a good team and can play on any line.
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Yeah, what sort of team would want a useful, reliable player like that?

I know you're upset that he didn't use his size to punish people, but let's not pretend he's not an NHLer.

As for comparables, hell, we just played one, Lars Eller.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah, what sort of team would want a useful, reliable player like that?

I know you're upset that he didn't use his size to punish people, but let's not pretend he's not an NHLer.

As for comparables, hell, we just played one, Lars Eller.
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I'm not trashing King, just saying other teams shouldn't expect much unless he is put in the right situation. He is not a prototypical 4th liner.

In terms of call-ups, Kurtis MacDermid has turned into a monster on D. I would assume since the Kings have no one like this on the back end they would consider giving him a look.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I'm not trashing King, just saying other teams shouldn't expect much unless he is put in the right situation. He is not a prototypical 4th liner.

In terms of call-ups, Kurtis MacDermid has turned into a monster on D. I would assume since the Kings have no one like this on the back end they would consider giving him a look.
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Would only be to practice with the team. No way they put him in the lineup for his first NHL action in the midst of a desperate playoff race.

I hope he has the chops to play next year, however. I'd be fine with McNabb level play since MacDermid is much tougher.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
wow, DL talking more callups?? Brodzinski?

http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/03/1...-visits-ontario-interested-recalling-players/

one cool DL quote about Forbert. (so true)


""""you look at the guys like Derek Forbort like right now. If you had gone by what people said three years ago, said he’s not even a prospect. Well now he’s a top four defenseman"""
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That's damn high praise coming from Dean, 007. There it is in writing, the org already considers him a top-4 D.

Before the season started, I (and I think many others) had Gravel then LaDue, followed by Forbort as the three top youngsters coming up on D. Now it's a toss up (imo) between Forbort and LaDue, with Gravel right on their heals, assuming he keeps progressing the way his studly self has.

I really hope we're all in on this Reese kid, he'd be a hell of a pickup and would shore up our young fwd depth tremendously.
 
LA used to be able to woo players over. Not so much lately.

A team like Edmonton can call itself an up and comer while having McDavid. I bet Aston-Reece signs there. I think LA is a long shot.
 
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