2016-2017 Kings Roster Talk Part III

[Reaper45]

There are obviously some people that don't understand the expansion draft. Vegas can sign a UFA from your team early and use that as their pick. But they can't pick a UFA and force them to sign with them.

That goes without saying. Does anyone actually believe that?

 

[KingsFan7824]

There's no reason to think something will go right for the Kings in regards to the expansion draft. Figure on them somehow losing their next five 1st round picks in the whole process.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That goes without saying. Does anyone actually believe that?

It seems like quite a few fans--not just here, mind you--are under the impression that Vegas makes their selection off the 2016-2017 active roster when really it has to (generally speaking) be considered the 2017 offseason.

 

[HookKing]

Why wouldn't they? It's better to sign Bishop than Fleury imo.

They wouldn't because he's not going to sign with them so Vegas would just be wasting a pick. Bishop will want to play for a contender. Jeez.

 

[damacles1156]

Bishop is a point in his life where he is seeking that retirement contract.

If Vegas offers him the most money, he will likely sign there. Money talks, BS walks, hockey players know how hard it is to win a cup, most guys go an entire career not even winning some playoff rounds.

Most contenders have a #1 goalie already, and very little cap space.

 

[HookKing]

Bishop is a point in his life where he is seeking that retirement contract.

If Vegas offers him the most money, he will likely sign there. Money talks, BS walks, hockey players know how hard it is to win a cup, most guys go an entire career not even winning some playoff rounds

No way in hell Bishop signs in Vegas. In fact I think Vegas gets very few UFA's. Why would you sign players that are only there for the money? The only UFA's they will likely sign are players on the outs or have something to prove -- that really want to be there.

 

[damacles1156]

No way in hell Bishop signs in Vegas. In fact I think Vegas gets very few UFA's. Why would you sign players that are only there for the money? The only UFA's they will likely sign are players on the outs or have something to prove -- that really want to be there.

Little secret I'll let you in on.

ALL Hockey players are in it for the money.

Ask Kopitar.

Or any other numerous bloated awful contracts GM's keep handing out, and players keep demanding.

If Vegas offered Bishop 7 million a season(for 6/7 seasons) he would sign there in a heartbeat.

 

[damacles1156]

Vegas is going to overpay regardless for UFA. There are plenty of players that might not be too keen on living in Vegas.

But if the money/term is right, they will sign there.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Little secret I'll let you in on.

ALL Hockey players are in it for the money.

Ask Kopitar.

Or any other numerous bloated awful contracts GM's keep handing out, and players keep demanding.

If Vegas offered Bishop 7 million a season(for 6/7 seasons) he would sign there in a heartbeat.

yes player all want money who doesn't but to say there only after it i wrong There has been several players who have turn down more money to go to a particular location.

 

[HookKing]

Vegas is going to overpay regardless for UFA. There are plenty of players that might not be too keen on living in Vegas.

But if the money/term is right, they will sign there.

GM's want players that want to win not tourists. Of course players want to get paid, as much as possible actually, after all that's what professionals do. However, Bishop is not going to want to get beat up night after night year after year just for a few extra bucks. Ain't happening unless he has a gambling addiction.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Contracts also have different value in different places, like no taxes in Florida.

 

[Stimpythecat]

That's what I was wondering. What would vegas demand in order to select Gaborik in the expansion draft. I see vegas selecting a bloated contract from the east to fulfill their cap draft floor. they aren't going to do their division rivals favors unless it's a very good deal for them.

I'd be willing to give up a 1st round pick in 2017, McNabb...

 

[KINGS17]

No way in hell Bishop signs in Vegas. In fact I think Vegas gets very few UFA's. Why would you sign players that are only there for the money? The only UFA's they will likely sign are players on the outs or have something to prove -- that really want to be there.

The same reason Handzus signed with the Kings. When players reach a certain age they find a sense of accomplishment in mentoring younger guys.

Plus signing with Vegas could mean you get traded in the final year of your deal as a rental to a contending team.

 

[Herby]

Tough to say what's going through a guys mind, lots of variables. There are certainly some guys like Ryan Smyth and Alexei Yashin who would play in Pyongyang if they offered the highest salary.

But for others there are a lot of factors. Some guys met their wives in the towns they played in and the Mrs. isn't crazy about moving from Chicago to Edmonton or from LA to Buffalo for a 10% raise. Some guys could be older, have earned a ton in their careers and may be cup chasing and signing for less money and/or term or others could be the opposite, a guy like Eaves who has been a pretty average player discovers a career year at 32, suddenly those final 3 years mentoring kids in Phoenix, Vegas or Colorado doesn't seem so bad.

But you also have to be careful when you assume guys may be loyal or never leave, Taylor and that slimeball Kevin Gilmore didn't think Luc would leave a second time and lowballed him in 2001 coming off a massive year where Luc was 2nd team all NHL LW. He ended up signing with Detroit for more than the Kings offered but probably less than he could have gotten in the open market.

 

[Herby]

That's what I was wondering. What would vegas demand in order to select Gaborik in the expansion draft. I see vegas selecting a bloated contract from the east to fulfill their cap draft floor. they aren't going to do their division rivals favors unless it's a very good deal for them.

I'd be willing to give up a 1st round pick in 2017, McNabb...

You can't give up a 3rd straight 1st round pick to get rid of a bad contract. Not when you have arguably the worst pipeline in the league. Eventually we have to start looking towards the next decade and realize that's when we will be contending again.

 

[Stimpythecat]

If we weren't cap strapped, I would agree with you.

Getting cap space could let us sign a UFA for no assets or let us retain someone that would have walked for nothing in return. It all depends on what we do with that cap space.

If we can use the space generated to sign a 50-60 point winger for no assets... Then I think it's worth it.

Collapse the transaction. Paying vegas assets to expansion draft gaborik and signing a UFA is effectively the exact same end result as a trade for a 50 pt winger for gaborik, a 1st and maybe mcnabb.

 

[The Tikkanen]

I think Philly will throw a large deal to Bishop, he could fix their goaltending woes they've had for years.

 

[kovacro]

I think Philly will throw a large deal to Bishop, he could fix their goaltending woes they've had for years.

I don't think so, they are high on Stolarz. He'll be in Philly next season and will have a legit shot to be the guy. Lyon is in Leigh Valley (AHL) and has been alright as well, I believe he is a 1st year pro.

They also have a few kids in the pipeline I think they would be high on (Sandstrom & Tomek)

 

[KingsFan7824]

If we weren't cap strapped, I would agree with you.

Getting cap space could let us sign a UFA for no assets or let us retain someone that would have walked for nothing in return. It all depends on what we do with that cap space.

If we can use the space generated to sign a 50-60 point winger for no assets... Then I think it's worth it.

Collapse the transaction. Paying vegas assets to expansion draft gaborik and signing a UFA is effectively the exact same end result as a trade for a 50 pt winger for gaborik, a 1st and maybe mcnabb.

You're putting a lot of weight into the 1st and McNabb to take Gaborik idea though. Vegas will probably have the chance to take McNabb in the draft, so how is that good value for them? Would Vegas take one 1st round pick for 100% of Gaborik's contract for the next 4 years? What does an old Gaborik do for Vegas? Two extra tickets sold because of his name? Maybe if you gave them a 1st, retained 50%, and added a young defenseman not named McNabb, then Vegas might bite.

Just seems a little too easy to have Vegas take a bad contract, a slow defenseman, and a 1st in what is apparently a weak draft, so that the Kings can get a much needed top line winger.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Reaper45]

What's in the box?

 

[eleventy]

What's in the box?

polar bear in the middle of a blizzard. don't you see it?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What's in the box?

Ha, I guess the tweet has since been deleted, but it was concerning next year's salary cap and that if the NHLPA opts to use the escalator, that next season's cap ceiling can be anywhere between $75.5M to $76M.

 

[tsanuri]

Ha, I guess the tweet has since been deleted, but it was concerning next year's salary cap and that if the NHLPA opts to use the escalator, that next season's cap ceiling can be anywhere between $75.5M to $76M.

So far they have opted to use every year. But the escrow issue is getting worse to players. And I'm thinking it's because the agents aren't explaining it to them very well. All you even hear out of agents is the cap,but the real number should be the midpoint. In reality any escrow under 15% the players should be happy with since at 15% every team would be spending to the cap.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

They wouldn't because he's not going to sign with them so Vegas would just be wasting a pick. Bishop will want to play for a contender. Jeez.

The way I understand it, if Vegas can't sign Bishop in that 2 day window making him their selection from the Kings, they'll get to select a different player instead.