TheNewEra
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Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part X
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dumbdick
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This is a good point. This year has been a low point for fan support. Thank Alfie we have a decent team to ice. Without it, the talk would be Biden-esque
Sun God Nika
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listened to it wrong it wasn't brennan who asked the question. At the same time its no disrespect to macarthur for the fans and media to know what kind of moves the team can make now in terms of helping out the team.
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Michael Stone is a 26 year old top 4 RHD, probably an ok #3 and really good #4.
He is easily going to get a 1st rounder and prospect at the TDL as a rental, and he's one of the top UFA d-men this offseason up there with Shattenkirk.
Just because he plays in Arizona and you've never heard of him doesn't mean he sucks.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2145117
****...i guess I should apologize to brennan
but I disagree, we're not talking world politics here, people should show some respect with respect to asking the question.
YouGotAStuGoing
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Let's bring this topic across to the MacArthur thread, please. This thread's about trade rumours and proposals.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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2nd rounder in 2018 for Stone
Prospect for Chimera
Smith-Brassard-Stone
Dzingel-Turris-Ryan
Hoffman-Pageau-Pyatt
Chimera-Kelly-Lazar
Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Ceci
Stone-Wideman
Anderson
Condon
I unno bout you guys but that's a lineup that can cause serious damage and even win a couple rounds. If Brassard and Anderson play MVP like, we could give any team in the East a run for their money.
Re-sign Chimera next year for bottom 6 for cheap and Michael Stone doesn't hurt us because we can promise to sign him after expansion draft. We also are in much better standing to trade someone like Ceci for offensive help before expansion draft should we decide to (assuming Stone will sign with us).
Prospect for Chimera
Smith-Brassard-Stone
Dzingel-Turris-Ryan
Hoffman-Pageau-Pyatt
Chimera-Kelly-Lazar
Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Ceci
Stone-Wideman
Anderson
Condon
I unno bout you guys but that's a lineup that can cause serious damage and even win a couple rounds. If Brassard and Anderson play MVP like, we could give any team in the East a run for their money.
Re-sign Chimera next year for bottom 6 for cheap and Michael Stone doesn't hurt us because we can promise to sign him after expansion draft. We also are in much better standing to trade someone like Ceci for offensive help before expansion draft should we decide to (assuming Stone will sign with us).
Real Smart Sens Fan
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Chimera is signed for next year, and we don't have our 2nd until 2019.
Here's something I posted on the main board:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2178637
To NYI:
F Curtis Lazar/Nick Paul/Francis Perron
D Mark Borowiecki/Freddy Claesson/Ben Harpur
F Gabriel Gagne
3rd 2017
3rd 2019
F Clarke MacArthur
To Ottawa:
F Josh Bailey
F Nikolai Kulemin
D Dennis Seidenberg
MacArthur and Kulemin are included as a type of mini Clarkson for Horton trade. Isles clear 5.25mil in salary and approx. 4.2 in cap space.
The Isles get 2 players who will likely be bottom of the lineup players rather soon (with Lazar, Borowiecki Claesson already there, and Harpur and Perron a few years away). They also get early 2nd rounder Gabriel Gagne, 2 mid-round picks, and clear close to 10mil in cap space. Lazar could surprise with them, and Gagne is a project who could emerge as a top 6er. No amazing returns, but they clear things up nicely for a rebuild.
The Sens get 3 players who can contribute right now, and, in the case of Kulemin and Bailey, next year as well.
Bailey - Turris - Ryan
Smith - Brassard - Stone
Hoffman - Pageau - Kulemin
Dzingel - Kelly - Pyatt
Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci
Seidenberg - Wideman
aragorn
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I don't see the Sens making a block buster deal or acquiring a defenceman at the deadline this yr because I think they are quite happy with the defence they have & I assume they will wait to see what happens with the expansion draft first. I also think they will wait for Chabot to arrive & improve their defence too. I think they love the fact that Boro has lead the NHL in hits this yr & they love his toughness, work ethic & leadership, I don't see him being replaced anytime soon. If LV picks Methot they have a replacement in Englund, if LV picks Wideman they have a replacement in Chabot & they have a very good 7th D in Claesson. I think they have a defence they like & will look to improve at forward, if anywhere but not much more than that.
At forward I think they will likely add a cheap UFA at the deadline that is underwhelming but hopefully will add some offence to their lineup which seems to be what is missing at times. I also think they will wait until after the expansion draft before making any further addition of players who would otherwise have to be protected. In the off season, I would like to see them add a good young forward through trade but like on defence they may just wait for White to make it onto the roster. I also hope they are in the market for an undrafted NCAA player, they are usually in pursuit of at least one or two each yr to add to their depth & there could be a couple of decent ones available this yr.
At forward I think they will likely add a cheap UFA at the deadline that is underwhelming but hopefully will add some offence to their lineup which seems to be what is missing at times. I also think they will wait until after the expansion draft before making any further addition of players who would otherwise have to be protected. In the off season, I would like to see them add a good young forward through trade but like on defence they may just wait for White to make it onto the roster. I also hope they are in the market for an undrafted NCAA player, they are usually in pursuit of at least one or two each yr to add to their depth & there could be a couple of decent ones available this yr.
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Of course asking prices are goofy right now. At present, there's really only two teams (Arizona and Colorado) who have no playoff aspirations. Every other team either thinks that they are in it, or need to convince their fans that they are in it for a few more weeks.
I'm still keen on Jagr as a rental. He won't cost much in terms of assets and fills a need on the right wing, sending Pyatt to the fourth line and Neil to the press box where both will be a better fit. I also think that Jagr coming into the dressing room of a team on the rise will give us some added mojo.
I'm still keen on Jagr as a rental. He won't cost much in terms of assets and fills a need on the right wing, sending Pyatt to the fourth line and Neil to the press box where both will be a better fit. I also think that Jagr coming into the dressing room of a team on the rise will give us some added mojo.
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I am not feeling confident about Dorion finding us a replacement for MacArthur seeing as he seemingly had no real backup plan should he not be able to play this season, and we already have a lack of depth at forward. I get the feeling he'll snag some scrub player past his prime with a recognizable name just to patch the hole up.
Fantastic idea to get stone. Id give up more than a second rounder for him! However this can only be done if: a the sens can agree to a verbal contract with him and b) they cAn keep the real dollars down. Make this move and ceci can be setup to be traded during the summer for an impact forward.
Getting stone will really shhore up the sens now and in the future.
It's actually sad how we have no expendable assets
No 2nds in 2017 and 2018
Average/mediocre prospect pool
No one we can trade off the roster without needing to replace them immediately
I don't see any way we can replace a guy like MacArthur without trading the likes of Chlapik, Englund, Perron etc... and we need all the youth we can get.
No 2nds in 2017 and 2018
Average/mediocre prospect pool
No one we can trade off the roster without needing to replace them immediately
I don't see any way we can replace a guy like MacArthur without trading the likes of Chlapik, Englund, Perron etc... and we need all the youth we can get.
Add to that that we have probably the perfect example of a median core thats not getting any better... hard to get excited about this team. We're banking on futures that won't be impact players until our current core is in its last few years and will have no goalie.
Sun God Nika
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just shows how much more stupid that off season trade was besides just downgrading our centre we threw away a pick
now if we trade a 1st away without getting another pick back we will have only 1 pick in the top 60 over the coarse of two drafts.
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Sens of Anarchy
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Could be wrong but I think TML have our 2017 2nd and NYR have our 2018 2nd
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I'd honestly not pick anyone up at this point. We aren't a contender, but I think we make the playoffs regardless. Getting a 2nd line winger won't make much difference.
I know it won't happen, but I'd honestly ship out our role guys who could get some picks who clearly have no future with the team moving forward if they want success.. Neil to a team looking for a vet 4th liner for a 2nd-3rd. He has value to teams making a push.
Boro for a team looking for depth/toughness for whatever they could get.
I don't think they are a worse team making these trades, though they do lose a lot of toughness for sure.
Pyatt for anything.
I know it won't happen, but I'd honestly ship out our role guys who could get some picks who clearly have no future with the team moving forward if they want success.. Neil to a team looking for a vet 4th liner for a 2nd-3rd. He has value to teams making a push.
Boro for a team looking for depth/toughness for whatever they could get.
I don't think they are a worse team making these trades, though they do lose a lot of toughness for sure.
Pyatt for anything.
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ReginKarlssonLehner
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I unno man, that's exactly the same type of thinking that ****ed us over last year with Cowen and Wier.
Also, we are literally one injury away in our top 4 or top 6 from things going downhill.
Do people not recall what happened when Smith went down for 3-4 games. Lines were completely disjointed. We have no depth and we can't afford to lose anyone in our top 9 or top 4.
That's kinda why we must make a trade to strengthen our top 9, not as much for a playoff run but to ensure playoff guarantee.
Also, we really cant afford to trade Pyatt at all. He's been spectacular for us in his role and production as a bottom 6er. Also big reason for our PK improvement.
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