Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part X

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danielpalfredsson

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listening to the presser looked like brennan asked him the question about insurance and dorrion dodged it.

If Mac isn't covered, the only way out of it is a Horton for Clarkson type trade. AKA we send Mac to a team willing to spend to the cap. They benefit because they can put him on LTIR and get cap relief. We get back a player who can still play, but is overpaid ala Clarkson.

LTIR isn't exactly the same as free cap space. It can't be used to cover bonus overages. But for cap team having a LTIR contract is a superior to having a regular cap contract of a vastly under performing player.

Just another disadvantage of being a budget team that has to be overcome.
 

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If Mac isn't covered, the only way out of it is a Horton for Clarkson type trade. AKA we send Mac to a team willing to spend to the cap. They benefit because they can put him on LTIR and get cap relief. We get back a player who can still play, but is overpaid ala Clarkson.

LTIR isn't exactly the same as free cap space. It can't be used to cover bonus overages. But for cap team having a LTIR contract is a superior to having a regular cap contract of a vastly under performing player.

Just another disadvantage of being a budget team that has to be overcome.
Biggest issue for us really,we cant fix mistakes or have some help with dealing with LTIR players.Once a player signs in Ottawa we are stuck with them for better or worse.No way you can ever be a cup contender when you dont have proper ownership support :nod:
 

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Hoping this doesn't mean we get a 3rd/4th liner who they hope can play in the top 6.
 

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Incoming panic trade with the recent MacArthur news

If we were t make an impact move I hope he circles back to OEL. That would be a serious add. Put Ceci on the table. Add Brown and the 1st. And if they need a sweetener maybe Lazar and one of Paul, Bailey, Gagne, Chlapik or Varone and they add Duclair.

Would impact both rosters.
 

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If we were t make an impact move I hope he circles back to OEL. That would be a serious add. Put Ceci on the table. Add Brown and the 1st. And if they need a sweetener maybe Lazar and one of Paul, Bailey, Gagne, Chlapik or Varone and they add Duclair.

Would impact both rosters.

What do you mean circle BACK
 

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Biggest issue for us really,we cant fix mistakes or have some help with dealing with LTIR players.Once a player signs in Ottawa we are stuck with them for better or worse.No way you can ever be a cup contender when you dont have proper ownership support :nod:

The injury could not be predicted. But one part of this would to not give out bad contracts. We are somewhat stuck with our guys if we give them bad contracts. So don't give them.
 

NyQuil

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The injury could not be predicted. But one part of this would to not give out bad contracts. We are somewhat stuck with our guys if we give them bad contracts. So don't give them.

You really should be a GM.

Sign free agents, but not to bad contracts.

Good call.
 

Burrowsaurus

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You really should be a GM.

Sign free agents, but not to bad contracts.

Good call.

I've said before I'm fine without free agency. And seems that our team is as well.

Maybe Dorion goes to see what the asking price on strome is?

Just one name that might be available. Strome. Duclair. Two guys that interest me
 

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If we were t make an impact move I hope he circles back to OEL. That would be a serious add. Put Ceci on the table. Add Brown and the 1st. And if they need a sweetener maybe Lazar and one of Paul, Bailey, Gagne, Chlapik or Varone and they add Duclair.

Would impact both rosters.

You are dreaming if you think Arizona evens thinks about that. It's going to take better pieces than that to pry OEL.

And we add Lazar, Paul, Bailey, Gagne, Chlapik or Varone as a sweetener and then they add Duclair? hahah

Whatever you're smoking, sign me up!
 

NyQuil

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I've said before I'm fine without free agency.

Touché.

Biancosaurus said:
Just one name that might be available. Strome. Duclair. Two guys that interest me

I'll admit that I'm interested in Duclair mainly because of the hilarity that would ensue if we took yet another highly-touted Arizona prospect and turned them into an NHL star.
 

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There was a discussion in here on the rumour that OEL could be available for the right return. Centered around if we had enough to make a deal.

If we got OEL, does that make Chabot expendable?

Does that make Karlsson expendable?

I can't see us running all three guys.

Not really filling a need from a cap perspective.
 

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If OEL is on the table I have no problem just letting Arizona treat our roster like a menu at an all you can eat sushi place. Just tick the boxes you want and they'll be ready to go in five minutes.
 

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Players on my "Realistic Wish-List":

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1. Josh Bailey, NYI - 3.3m, UFA 2018, 6-23-29 in 43gp
The time has come to replace MacArthur, and Bailey is a good option to do so. Bailey is less of a goalscorer, which makes him a somewhat less than ideal option, but he is inexpensive, signed beyond this season, pretty good all-around and seems like he would be available for a reasonable price.

2. Brian Boyle, TBL - 2m, UFA, 11-5-16 in 41gp
Boyle is a big, positionally versatile playoff monster. Wreaked havoc against us as a Ranger and has gone on plenty of long runs since them (with varying success, but always as a useful role player - and generally as a useful secondary scorer). Would be a huge boost to our bottom 6.

3. Patrick Eaves, DA: - 1m, UFA, 16-11-27 in 46
Wow, what a year for Patty. I really wanted the Sens to bring him back this year, but obviously he has strong ties in Dallas. Who knows if they are willing to trade him, even if they are out of the playoff picture by the Deadline. Eaves, who plays left and right wing, is in the midst of a career season, needing 5 more points and 4 more goals to top the career bests he set in his rookie and sophomore season with Ottawa. Eaves would likely just be a rental, but he would be a difference making rental. He could play with any of our top 3 centers as their RW, and while I would be shocked if he continued his pace, I am confident he would chip in offense every 3 or 4 games at least.

3. Brian Gionta, BUF - 3.25m, UFA, 9-12-21 in 44gp
Speedy, versatile, solid defensively and a great locker-room presence. Far from what he used to be, but G is still a good player when used in a depth role. Would look good on Pageau's wing, or maybe Brassard's. Only concern is his size, but G has always played with an edge.

4. Jason Chimera, NYI - 2.25m, UFA in 2018. 8-8-16 in 43gp
At 37, the extra year on his contract is definitely a concern, but his play this season has been solid enough to alleviate some doubts about his ability to be a contributor for another year. Super speedy character winger who has developed into an inconsistent 15 goal guy. Having an okay year this year, would provide speedy and skill to the bottom 6. Sort of an over-the-hill Zack Smith, but I think he'd be a nice add for the next 2 years. Only concern is, his play tends to range from "good 4th liner" to "good middle 6er". That is similar to the next guy on my list, but Chimera's play comes with a higher floor as well as a higher ceiling.

5. Shawn Matthias, WPG - 2.125, UFA in 2018, 6-2-8 in 23gp
Matthias has pretty consistently paced between 20-30pts as a LW or C. Ok defensively for a C, great size and good skating, and a pretty good goal scorer. It is always tough to get a read on him - his "range" goes from okay 4th liner to very good 3rd liner, and a lot of how he performs depends on fit. That said, I am willing to take a chance on him being an overpaid 4th liner for a year and a bit, due to the potential upside of gaining an underpaid 3rd liner for a year and a bit.

6. Drew Stafford, WPG - 4.35m, UFA, 4-8-12 in 33
A big, versatile winger who has always had goal scoring ability, especially as a depth player. Always leaves you wanting more, but could work out well as a depth rental. Likely wouldn't cost much.

7. Lauri Korpikoski, DAL - 1m, UFA, 6-11-17 in 46
Korpi has had a good year for the Stars in a bottom 6 role and has paced better offensively than he has in several years. Korpi is another guy who plays both positions, but mainly LW. He could be a good plugger on the bottom line.

8. Rene Bourque, COL - 650k, UFA. 9-4-13 in 41gp
His stats look okay, but keep in mind he has 1 pt in his last 15gp. Could likely be had for a late round pick, though, costs almost nothing, has good wheels and a big body, and could form a nice 4th line with Lazar and Pyatt.

HM - Players I'd like but don't see being dealt
- Palat
- Jannik Hansen
- Marcus Foligno
- Antoine Roussel
- Mike Fisher
- Anders Lee

I'll do DMen later
 

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If we got OEL, does that make Chabot expendable? YES

Does that make Karlsson expendable? NO

I can't see us running all three guys.

Not really filling a need from a cap perspective.

Chabot can go but realistically one of Methot or Phaneuf may have to also for cap reasons.
 

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If we got OEL, does that make Chabot expendable?

Does that make Karlsson expendable?

I can't see us running all three guys.

Not really filling a need from a cap perspective.

It makes methot expendable I would think. We get to recoup some of oels salary by methots moving out probably to expansion.
 

armani

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I have a feeling that Dorion will go hard after Vanek. Can't afford Duchene or Landeskog or OEL or JT.
 

Burrowsaurus

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Even if a GM is super high on Ceci AND super high on Brown, Ceci + Brown + 1st isnt enough for OEL.

Well define super high? If Arizona is rebuilding for the next 3 years and you think you're getting a future number 1/2 d man. AND a future top line center. AND a first. Then yeah I think it's enough.

THATS IF you're my definition of super high on both those players.
 

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Well define super high? If Arizona is rebuilding for the next 3 years and you think you're getting a future number 1/2 d man. AND a future top line center. AND a first. Then yeah I think it's enough.

THATS IF you're my definition of super high on both those players.

I think the "future" part is the dealbreaker.
 
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