Salary Cap: 2016-17 roster-building part IV | Contract chart, cap info in post #1

[Riptide]

Paying a veteran backup 3m is worse than paying Kunitz 3.85m. Your starter makes 628k

The whole point of moving on from MAF is you have a younger, cheaper, better replacement and you allocate those funds to a Malkin winger. So it's addition by subtraction *squared

You couldn't be more wrong. Getting a very good backup if MAF is moved is going to be key. Murray has been very good for us. However in a league that is this conservative, there's no way that the Pens would go into next season with Murray and someone like Zatkoff as the backup. Spend 2-3m (or whatever) to get someone who's good and who if needed can handle 40+ games. Ideally they will not have to, but seeing how Murray was already showing fatigue by the 3rd round of the playoffs, getting a quality backup (aka expensive) is very important over the next couple seasons.

You dont' trade MAF for cap space. You trade him for assets. If you gain a minimal amount of cap space, great. But I'd move him for Lehtonen if Dallas was adding enough that it made sense.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Dreaming, of course, but I wonder if something around Fleury and Kunitz would intrigue the Sens in a deal for Hoffman.

 

[Riptide]

Lovejoy needs to walk. I see no reason to bring him back, unless we're out of options.

He'll almost certainly price himself out of PIT - just like Scuderi did in 09. He will get more than Cole did last summer.

 

[MayorofWBS]

Can we get past Boedker for the love of God. Ericsson enough. It's the same regurgitation over and over. They are NOT good enough.

1) First thing I think is lock up Trevor Daley 4 years/16m (effective 07/17)

2) What the hell Ben Lovejoy. You earned yourself a contract 2 years/4m

3) I think Schultz has more upside than Dumoulin in this system. If Dumo wants 4 years/12m that's my ceiling. As for now, I'm giving Schultz a 3 year/10.5m deal

4) Matt Murray extension. 3 years/6.75m (effective 07/17)

5) Cully tax. You only get 1.2m I'm trying to put a high quality team together here

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Some fat in the lineup remember before this was the likes of Sutter, Dupuis, Scuderi eating up 10m making us ****.

Chris Kunitz 3.85m
MAF 5.75m
Fehr 2m

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These are high quality trade assets we have in either system or current squad

MAF
Maatta
Pouliot
Dumoulin
Bonino
(Kunitz) don't worry about Dorn, he's only high priced

Sprong
Simon
Sundqvist
Guentzel
Rust
Sheary

ANA 2nd
PIT 2nd
'17 PIT 1st

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Template

X - Crosby - Hornqvist
X - Malkin - X
Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel
Sheary - Cullen - Rust/Kuhn

Dumoulin - Letang
Cole - Schultz
*Maatta - Lovejoy

Murray
Zatkoff (550k)

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Needs

1) Sid LW
2) Geno LW + RW

* You need high quality special players bc outside of a high energy, speed, vanilla, net crasher those are the only guys that can maximize the skillset of Malkin and Crosby. As opposed to Crosby and Malkin playing with Duper and Kunitz only making them better and it being a one way street. There's a difference and it's me carrying your *** vs the HBK line where all skillsets are being maximized.

* In essence, you need to complete two lines. So it's not an easy offseason at all.

You should be banned from posting for 6 months for even thinking of having Zatkoff back

 

[Riptide]

Not sure MAF is on the block with GMJR wanting goalie depth. But he has to make some room. Kunitz play is a good thing for moving him. But that is simply not enough. I have zero idea why extend OLi with Dumo being the far better D man. But it can be staggard with more room in 2017.

Because odds are he's going to be worth far more than 4m 2-3 years from now. It's a little short term pain for long term gain. Within in the next 12-18 months his play will be that of a good top 4D. Those guys typically cost at least 3.75m - usually more.

I just hope we can sign Dumoulin to something similar asap. But I was extremely happy when we signed Maatta, and nothing has changed since then. Has he played great these playoffs? No. Does that bother me? No. Give him an offseason to rehab and we'll be back to praising him come Oct.

 

[BeautiPhil]

Dreaming, of course, but I wonder if something around Fleury and Kunitz would intrigue the Sens in a deal for Hoffman.

That's a lot of money for the Sens considering their internal cap/stingy owner. If they'd give us another player back then maybe they'd do it. I'd love Hoffman. He has an insane shot and is a good player otherwise. Would be a great fit on Geno's wing presumably since he's Neal-esque.

 

[Riptide]

You're right, Hoffman would be incredible here.

Young, fast, relatively cheap, and a Neal-esque release. Guy's flirted with 30 goals the last two seasons without a center anywhere near Sid and Geno's calibre.

Not sure how cheap he's going to be next season. Odds are he's getting 4.5m+. He might get less in arbitration, but then it's a 1 or 2 yr deal and he's a FA.

 

[Riptide]

Dreaming, of course, but I wonder if something around Fleury and Kunitz would intrigue the Sens in a deal for Hoffman.

Doubt it. That still means they're spending 10m on goaltending. Ottawa is too cheap for that.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That's a lot of money for the Sens considering their internal cap/stingy owner. If they'd give us another player back then maybe they'd do it. I'd love Hoffman. He has an insane shot and is a good player otherwise. Would be a great fit on Geno's wing presumably since he's Neal-esque.

Doubt it. That still means they're spending 10m on goaltending. Ottawa is too cheap for that.

I'd take Anderson back.

Not sure how cheap he's going to be next season. Odds are he's getting 4.5m+. He might get less in arbitration, but then it's a 1 or 2 yr deal and he's a FA.

Well worth it.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You're right, Hoffman would be incredible here.

Young, fast, relatively cheap, and a Neal-esque release. Guy's flirted with 30 goals the last two seasons without a center anywhere near Sid and Geno's calibre.

Even more impressive is that he scored 20 goals at ES. Kessel had 22.

Hoffman likely wouldn't get top PP minutes here anyway, so the fact he scores so much at ES is even more of a plus. Compare that to Boedker, whose production is more reliant on him getting big PP minutes in Arizona which he won't get here, and IMO it's a no brainer which one the Pens should go after hard.

Hoffman's release is legitimately one of the better in the league. It really is Neal-esque. And like you said, he's done all that without the benefit of a guy like Geno (or Sid) setting him up. I know, I know. Kessel, blah blah blah. But Kessel's game relies on him having the puck a lot, which might be why the adjustment to playing with Sid or Geno wasn't very good. Hoffman's a different animal. He's like Neal in that he just knows where to go, but doesn't need to handle the puck much prior.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Hoffman likely wouldn't get top PP minutes here anyway, so the fact he scores so much at ES is even more of a plus. Compare that to Boedker, whose production is more reliant on him getting big PP minutes in Arizona which he won't get here, and IMO it's a no brainer which one the Pens should go after hard.

Hoffman's release is legitimately one of the better in the league. It really is Neal-esque. And like you said, he's done all that without the benefit of a guy like Geno (or Sid) setting him up. I know, I know. Kessel, blah blah blah. But Kessel's game relies on him having the puck a lot, which might be why the adjustment to playing with Sid or Geno wasn't very good. Hoffman's a different animal. He's like Neal in that he just knows where to go, but doesn't need to handle the puck much prior.

For sure.

The key difference between Kessel and Hoffman as goal scorers is the same key difference between Kessel and Neal - Kessel's most dangerous when he has the puck and is shooting in stride, and Hoffman's best when he's firing off a one-timer.

For all his positives, Kessel simply isn't elite when the puck's put on a tee for him. It's Hoffman's bread and butter.

 

[Riptide]

For sure.

The key difference between Kessel and Hoffman as goal scorers is the same key difference between Kessel and Neal - Kessel's most dangerous when he has the puck and is shooting in stride, and Hoffman's best when he's firing off a one-timer.

For all his positives, Kessel simply isn't elite when the puck's put on a tee for him. It's Hoffman's bread and butter.

Ottawa fans said otherwise when discussing Hoffman with them before. They said he really likes to carry the puck vs just setting up like Neal would. Not sure how accurate that is, as I watch less than a dozen Sens games a year... But that's what several of them said.

 

[JTG]

Why would the Sens want to lose a player like Hoffman?

 

[pistolpete11]

I'd rather find a LWer to play with Malkin and run with that guy-Malkin-Sprong. I really don't see a reason for the Pens to trade for another RWer in the next 3 years.



I still think Hagelin-Malkin-Sprong is worth looking into, although you don't really have a east-west player to play with Malkin on that line.

Is he only a RW, though? Some places list him as a LW and he does shoot LH. You could do Frolik-Malkin-Sprong. Although, I'm not as sold on Sprong being ready for the NHL as most seem to be.

 

[Riptide]

Is he only a RW, though? Some places list him as a LW and he does shoot LH. You could do Frolik-Malkin-Sprong. Although, I'm not as sold on Sprong being ready for the NHL as most seem to be.

Agreed. I think penciling him in next season would be a mistake. If he makes it out of camp and does well in his 9 games to earn more games, great. But until then I'll bank on him going back to juniors and just wait and see how he does.

 

[66-30-33]

Why would the Sens want to lose a player like Hoffman?

Budget team and he wants 6M or something.

Hoffman-Malkin-Kessel?
Hagelin-Crosby-Hornqvist?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Fleury and Kunitz to Dallas for Eakin, Niemi and Shore
Pouliot to NYR for JT Miller
Re-sign Miller ($3 million) and Schultz ($2 million)
Sign a Warsofsky like defenseman as the #7 for $550k

Eakin-Crosby-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel
Miller-Bonino-Sprong
Kuhnhackl-Fehr-Rust
Shore-Sheary

Maatta-Letang
Dumoulin-Daley
Cole-Schultz
Warsofsky

Murray-Niemi

I'm kinda concerned about that defense (we're in trouble if 2 of those guys go down), but that F group is great.

 

[mpp9]

I'm not sure if the Rangers would deal with us, but they have quite a few LWers I'd love to have here, and if they let Yandle walk, they badly need a longterm PMD.

If they'd retain on Nash and go mini-rebuild, I'd be interested in him as well as Kreider or Miller.

 

[PensandCaps]

Fleury and Kunitz to Dallas for Eakin, Niemi and Shore
Pouliot to NYR for JT Miller
Re-sign Miller ($3 million) and Schultz ($2 million)
Sign a Warsofsky like defenseman as the #7 for $550k

Eakin-Crosby-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel
Miller-Bonino-Sprong
Kuhnhackl-Fehr-Rust
Shore-Sheary

Maatta-Letang
Dumoulin-Daley
Cole-Schultz
Warsofsky

Murray-Niemi

I'm kinda concerned about that defense (we're in trouble if 2 of those guys go down), but that F group is great.

First, stay away from eakin, 2nd hes a centre. And 3rd JT miller a 22 goal scorer who still has potential is worth alot more than DP. ALOT. And 4th if we did get eakin and miller, miller most certainly will be with sid. And dont break up the HBK line.

 

[Asuna]

Fleury and Kunitz to Dallas for Eakin, Niemi and Shore
Pouliot to NYR for JT Miller
Re-sign Miller ($3 million) and Schultz ($2 million)
Sign a Warsofsky like defenseman as the #7 for $550k

Eakin-Crosby-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel
Miller-Bonino-Sprong
Kuhnhackl-Fehr-Rust
Shore-Sheary

Maatta-Letang
Dumoulin-Daley
Cole-Schultz
Warsofsky

Murray-Niemi

I'm kinda concerned about that defense (we're in trouble if 2 of those guys go down), but that F group is great.

if we got miller i'd cream my pants

 

[Empoleon8771]

First, stay away from eakin, 2nd hes a centre. And 3rd JT miller a 22 goal scorer who still has potential is worth alot more than DP. ALOT. And 4th if we did get eakin and miller, miller most certainly will be with sid. And dont break up the HBK line.

A. Eakin can play all forward positions, he's not just a center. Why should the Pens "stay away from Eakin" too?
B. And Miller is a pending RFA that is a prime candidate for an offer sheet (that the Rangers can't match). The Rangers also desperately need a player like Pouliot and don't need Miller that much. I bet if they had the options to fill a huge organization need for a redundant player they couldn't afford to re-sign or lose a redundant player they couldn't afford for a 2nd round pick, they'd pick the 1st one.
C. HBK is almost definitely being broken up for next year, Malkin's awful play in this postseason (and showing a need to have actual linemates to produce) eliminates any real chance of HBK staying together.

 

[PensandCaps]

A. Eakin can play all forward positions, he's not just a center. Why should the Pens "stay away from Eakin" too?
B. And Miller is a pending RFA that is a prime candidate for an offer sheet (that the Rangers can't match). The Rangers also desperately need a player like Pouliot and don't need Miller that much.
C. HBK is almost definitely being broken up for next year, Malkin's awful play in this postseason (and showing a need to have actual linemates to produce) eliminates any real chance of HBK staying together.

Id give geno miller and sprong before breaking up the HBK line. and i dont like eakins contract.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Id give geno miller and sprong before breaking up the HBK line. and i dont like eakins contract.

If you don't like the Eakin contract, how do you feel about the Hagelin contract?

 

[PensandCaps]

Id give geno miller and sprong before breaking up the HBK line. and i dont like eakins contract.

Thats if we even get miller, which we wont, because DP isn't close to enough.

 

[JQR]

Whoever we get to backup Murray, can we grab Bryzgalov as well? I don't even want him to play, just suit up and ramble about weird ****.