Gurglesons
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No. MAF easily brings back a first rounder +. Easily.
Doubt it. Maybe from Dallas, but not Calgary.
No. MAF easily brings back a first rounder +. Easily.
Like IcedCapp, I am wondering whether you got my meaning or not.
I am not saying that we should not add talent. I am saying we should add, but not players who are much more expensive yet little different from the exciting young players who have contributed much to us being in the finals. Adding someone like for instance Frolik at 4.3 million only insures that we will have no cap-space to get a REAL good player.
I have no problem with Hansen, but people forget that he is one of the pieces Vancouver can insert in a deal to get a BETTER player, because his cap-hit and quality makes him desirable. In any case neither he nor Frolik are ever going to be real top6 players. They are what they are.
Ah... OK.
It is optimistic to see Malkin make Rust and Sprong genuine top6 forwards too in the short term. Sure. But I am not religious about not breaking up lines. The greater point is that we have several young players who can develop into options rather fast, but just like with our D a few years back, if we keep on signing established players for those positions and don't make space, then they will not get those chances and the established player will consume whatever cap-space we had to make any significant additions.
If we did NOT have any chances at seriously adding and didn't have many good youngsters - then of course I would be on board with trying to get the second best options who fit with our style of play.
And remember - our lines don't need to rock in the first half of the season. Also, we don't have to have made every move in the Summer. Surely several of the key ingredients to this years finals team were found during the season. Rather let the kids give us an idea what we have before we do anything rash.
Chicago's depth when Frolik won a cup with them in 2013 was also based on them allowing Shaw, Bickell, Saad and Kryger to have roles - and Saad had then become a top6 forward in his own right when they won again last year. They had four stars and natural top6 forwards back then in Kane, Toews, Hossa and Sharp. I don't think we are inferior, we just have ours spread on three lines instead of two.
Not everyone has to be the same kind of player. Eriksson has had one season since 2008 where he has missed significant games - after Orpik got him. And in that instant only 21. He didn't miss a single game this season, scored 30 goals and had 63 points. Seems to me you have no idea which player he is, really
After thinking about it, bringing in JT Miller (for Pouliot+) and Hansen (for Fehr+) during the off season would be an amazing offseason. We'd have:
Miller-Crosby-Hornqvist
Hansen-Malkin-Sprong
Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel
Kuhnhackl-Cullen-Rust
That's awesome and Miller and Hansen together wouldn't even hit $6 million AAV.
Stamkos? Stamkos? You're talking Stamkos? Stamkos?
Rangers aren't trading us JT Miller
If it's trading him to us for Pouliot or losing him to an offer sheet, I think they'd definitely prefer the first.
If it's trading him to us for Pouliot or losing him to an offer sheet, I think they'd definitely prefer the first.
You seem obsessed with offer sheets. Who is the last player that was offer sheeted?
We can only offer a 2nd. That's up to 3.6 mil. I'm not sure that they wouldn't be able to match that.
Are you forgetting what happened with Saad and Hamilton last summer?
They also have Hayes and Kreider as RFAs, that's why it's an issue. They are going to be very tight against the cap if they keep all 3 of them.
I must be so please enlighten me. Were there offer sheets for them?
No, they were traded right before free agency because they would have gotten an offer sheet had they not traded them.
Do you know for a fact that's why they were traded?
Something interesting I just saw too, from last summer:
The rumor was that the Pens wanted their 2016 2nd back so they could offer sheet someone. If that is true, it seems like JR would be willing to pursue that path again. It didn't happen last summer obviously, but I'm curious to see if JR would try that this summer. The Pens have all of their 2017 picks right now.
That reads like an opinion. Also it came down to teams that weren't willing to meet the players demands. In Bostons case, they certainly could have paid Hamilton what he asked for. They signed Belesky in free agency and moved Hamilton. Just weird priorities there.
I can understand the Saad one though but they were up against a cap crunch I don't see the Rangers being up against. Plus both teams moved their player out of conference. That seems more likely to me.
Yeah, moving the players out of the division does seem more likely than trading them in the division. I just think that getting Miller isn't as unrealistic as some other people think, whether it be by an offersheet (the Pens having 2 2nds this year may make them more willing to offer sheet at the price of a 2nd this summer) or by dangling Pouliot for him (which I still think helps both teams a lot).
If the Ducks were to offer Theodore for Miller (closest comparable off the top of my head to Pouliot), they'd obviously trade him out of the division to Anaheim. I just don't know how many players like Pouliot could be dangled. Hell, I don't even know if Pouliot himself would be dangled.