Salary Cap: 2016-17 roster-building part IV | Contract chart, cap info in post #1

[WooWooKennyWu*]

Can we get past Boedker for the love of God. Ericsson enough. It's the same regurgitation over and over. They are NOT good enough.

1) First thing I think is lock up Trevor Daley 4 years/16m (effective 07/17)

2) What the hell Ben Lovejoy. You earned yourself a contract 2 years/4m

3) I think Schultz has more upside than Dumoulin in this system. If Dumo wants 4 years/12m that's my ceiling. As for now, I'm giving Schultz a 3 year/10.5m deal

4) Matt Murray extension. 3 years/6.75m (effective 07/17)

5) Cully tax. You only get 1.2m I'm trying to put a high quality team together here

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Some fat in the lineup remember before this was the likes of Sutter, Dupuis, Scuderi eating up 10m making us ****.

Chris Kunitz 3.85m
MAF 5.75m
Fehr 2m

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These are high quality trade assets we have in either system or current squad

MAF
Maatta
Pouliot
Dumoulin
Bonino
(Kunitz) don't worry about Dorn, he's only high priced

Sprong
Simon
Sundqvist
Guentzel
Rust
Sheary

ANA 2nd
PIT 2nd
'17 PIT 1st

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Template

X - Crosby - Hornqvist
X - Malkin - X
Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel
Sheary - Cullen - Rust/Kuhn

Dumoulin - Letang
Cole - Schultz
*Maatta - Lovejoy

Murray
Zatkoff (550k)

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Needs

1) Sid LW
2) Geno LW + RW

* You need high quality special players bc outside of a high energy, speed, vanilla, net crasher those are the only guys that can maximize the skillset of Malkin and Crosby. As opposed to Crosby and Malkin playing with Duper and Kunitz only making them better and it being a one way street. There's a difference and it's me carrying your *** vs the HBK line where all skillsets are being maximized.

* In essence, you need to complete two lines. So it's not an easy offseason at all.

 

[IcedCapp]

Fleury is fine as a goalie who gets a team over the regular season => playoff hump

He makes sense for Calgary and Edmonton (if they aren't sold on Talbot, though I'm sure they are) or Winnipeg if their kids aren't ready. Outside of those three, I think Carolina is too far away. Same for Arizona. Same for Toronto.

Dallas is interesting because he's a clear upgrade over what they have now, but do they want to risk assets and money on a guy who may not get them any further than they got this year?

There are certainly options for a Fleury trade, but I think it's basically 2 or 3.

The Penguins should have made Fleury's game 5 start contingent on him waiving his nmc

 

[JTG]

I really don't think a smaller defenseman is a good option. the Pens need more grit on the back end. The Pens do need to continue to build a more balanced team. Don't think Sprong is ready for prime time, but he will be eventually. But with cap at the max. Pens have to jettison some contracts. Signing Oli was a mistake in timing. Those who believe an off season of work and conditioning is the answer are hoping that will transform him back to what he was for 30 games three yeas ago. Not sure that is the case. Pens under GMJR prefers the Carolina model of speed skill and finesse. That can work to a degree. But in the end, you need balance of all that plus a couple of players who will respond to cheap shots on the stars.

I will say, I believe a top 4 defenseman is of the utmost importance to this team right now. Someone that will be here for a long time, and preferably a guy that can play a steady 2 way game, but he has some jam to his game.

If we can get rid of Fleury and Kunitz, that's like 10 million dollars. Dupuis' is LTIR, so there's another 3.75. I'd re-sign both Bennett and try to get Schultz back on a 2-3 year deal for 2.0 a season. Both RFA's can be used as trade bait if young guys out play them.

A veteran backup needs to be signed, but I wouldn't go more than 3 million.

We have flexibility.

 

[WooWooKennyWu*]

^^^ forgot Daley in the template

Dumoulin - Letang
Daley - Lovejoy
Cole - Schultz

*Meaning Maatta is expendable if the price is right

 

[WooWooKennyWu*]

I will say, I believe a top 4 defenseman is of the utmost importance to this team right now. Someone that will be here for a long time, and preferably a guy that can play a steady 2 way game, but he has some jam to his game.

If we can get rid of Fleury and Kunitz, that's like 10 million dollars. Dupuis' is LTIR, so there's another 3.75. I'd re-sign both Bennett and try to get Schultz back on a 2-3 year deal for 2.0 a season. Both RFA's can be used as trade bait if young guys out play them.

A veteran backup needs to be signed, but I wouldn't go more than 3 million.

We have flexibility.

Paying a veteran backup 3m is worse than paying Kunitz 3.85m. Your starter makes 628k

The whole point of moving on from MAF is you have a younger, cheaper, better replacement and you allocate those funds to a Malkin winger. So it's addition by subtraction *squared

 

[JTG]

Lovejoy needs to walk. I see no reason to bring him back, unless we're out of options.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

The things I would do to get Boedker on this team and with a reasonable contract.

Fleury is fine as a goalie who gets a team over the regular season => playoff hump

He makes sense for Calgary and Edmonton (if they aren't sold on Talbot, though I'm sure they are) or Winnipeg if their kids aren't ready. Outside of those three, I think Carolina is too far away. Same for Arizona. Same for Toronto.

Dallas is interesting because he's a clear upgrade over what they have now, but do they want to risk assets and money on a guy who may not get them any further than they got this year?

There are certainly options for a Fleury trade, but I think it's basically 2 or 3.

The Penguins should have made Fleury's game 5 start contingent on him waiving his nmc

My biggest concern, tbh. Maybe other teams got flashbacks from his game 5 and had a similar response, but I could really see that turning Dallas off him. Getting Nuke from Dallas for MAF would have been great, even if I'm not as high on him as I once was.

Hopefully one of the stupider GMs does something and we benefit. Like good old Benning deciding he has to have MAF.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Fleury is fine as a goalie who gets a team over the regular season => playoff hump

He makes sense for Calgary and Edmonton (if they aren't sold on Talbot, though I'm sure they are) or Winnipeg if their kids aren't ready. Outside of those three, I think Carolina is too far away. Same for Arizona. Same for Toronto.

Dallas is interesting because he's a clear upgrade over what they have now, but do they want to risk assets and money on a guy who may not get them any further than they got this year?

There are certainly options for a Fleury trade, but I think it's basically 2 or 3.

The Penguins should have made Fleury's game 5 start contingent on him waiving his nmc

Idk, I think Fleury's cup in 2009 may blind a team like Dallas into thinking he could be the last big piece to get them over the hump. I agree that Fleury is great to take a team into the playoffs, but I could see some teams looking at his past cup win and think that he can do that for them too. That's probably why they went so hard at Niemi last summer.

 

[JTG]

Paying a veteran backup 3m is worse than paying Kunitz 3.85m. Your starter makes 628k

The whole point of moving on from MAF is you have a younger, cheaper, better replacement and you allocate those funds to a Malkin winger. So it's addition by subtraction *squared

Having a backup on a deal that is 3 million or less over 2 years gives us someone if Murray starts to struggle/wear down. It's a good insurance policy to have. If Murray proves he can be a workhorse, then we're fine letting that goaltender walk and going with cheaper options after year 2.

 

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I'd rather find a LWer to play with Malkin and run with that guy-Malkin-Sprong. I really don't see a reason for the Pens to trade for another RWer in the next 3 years.



I still think Hagelin-Malkin-Sprong is worth looking into, although you don't really have a east-west player to play with Malkin on that line.

I really wouldn't want to split up Hags and Kessel though. I think Hagelin's been as instrumental to Kessel's game as any other factor (Sullivan, weaker competition as the "3rd" line, Kessel just clicking on his own).

I'd love to add as many high end players as possible, but we're already paying three guys 6.8 mil+ at forward.

Hagelin/Hornqvist money is the cap ceiling for a player I'd be going after. Maybe we're lucky enough to somehow land JVR this summer. He fits the cap structure for a couple more years. But I don't see too many options out there in terms of legit top line players that'd fit in here.

Money's not an issue assuming we dump Kunitz ($3.75M), let Lovejoy walk ($1.2M), and get rid of MAF ($5.75M) this summer. Even with signing someone like Boedker at ~$5M/yr, we'd still have plenty of room because of the young, cheap players we'll have next season. Kuhn, Rust, Sprong, and Dumo together are set to make under $3M. If we retain Cullen for around a million or put Sundqvist in as the 4C, we have 5 guys making right around $4M total.

JVR ($4.25M) - Crosby ($8.70M) - Hornqvist ($4.25M)
Boedker ($5.50M) - Malkin ($9.50M) - Sprong ($925K)
Hagelin ($4.00M) - Bonino ($1.90M) - Kessel ($6.80M)
Kuhn ($625K) - Cullen ($2.00M) - Rust ($640K)
Sundqvist ($925K)

Forwards; $50.015M

Dumo ($800K) - Letang ($7.25M)
Maatta ($4.08) - Daley ($3.30M)
Cole ($2.20M) - Schultz ($2.00M)

Defense; $19.63M

Murray ($894K)
XXXX ($2.00M)

Goalies; $2.894M

Total Cap; $72.539M
Est. Cap Ceiling; $74.00M

MAF+Pouliot+pick or prospect for JVR+our 1st back
Dump Kunitz
Dump Fehr
Lovejoy walks
Sign Boedker
Re-sign Cullen

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'm surprised folks are more interested in Boedker than Hoffman. Hoffman's exactly what Geno's missed since Neal walked. I don't think you'd have to break the bank for him, either. Ottawa seems to want to move him, and he's probably going to be asking only in the $4 to $5 million range (which is what Boedker will likely cost as a FA).

 

[Empoleon8771]

An interesting idea I haven't really thought about before, why not go after Cody Eakin as the primary piece for MAF? He's a little expensive (costs the same as Kunitz), but he can play both center and wing and would seem to be a pretty good piece to play on either the 2nd or 3rd line. He definitely fits the speed idea that the Pens have. From what I've read, he's basically Hagelin that can play center.

 

[JTG]

I don't personally see the appeal of Boedker. For the money he's going to make, I don't think he brings enough to the table aside from speed.

If we're spending that kind of money, Lucic seems like a guy that would fit in really well with Geno, and he makes us instantly tougher.

I'm not real sure who I'd like to see brought in. No one really stands out to me. Colin Wilson is probably a guy I'd like to see here most.

 

[Steel Winning]

I really wouldn't want to split up Hags and Kessel though. I think Hagelin's been as instrumental to Kessel's game as any other factor (Sullivan, weaker competition as the "3rd" line, Kessel just clicking on his own).



Money's not an issue assuming we dump Kunitz ($3.75M), let Lovejoy walk ($1.2M), and get rid of MAF ($5.75M) this summer. Even with signing someone like Boedker at ~$5M/yr, we'd still have plenty of room because of the young, cheap players we'll have next season. Kuhn, Rust, Sprong, and Dumo together are set to make under $3M. If we retain Cullen for around a million or put Sundqvist in as the 4C, we have 5 guys making right around $4M total.

JVR ($4.25M) - Crosby ($8.70M) - Hornqvist ($4.25M)
Boedker ($5.50M) - Malkin ($9.50M) - Sprong ($925K)
Hagelin ($4.00M) - Bonino ($1.90M) - Kessel ($6.80M)
Kuhn ($625K) - Cullen ($2.00M) - Rust ($640K)
Sundqvist ($925K)

Forwards; $50.015M

Dumo ($800K) - Letang ($7.25M)
Maatta ($4.08) - Daley ($3.30M)
Cole ($2.20M) - Schultz ($2.00M)

Defense; $19.63M

Murray ($894K)
XXXX ($2.00M)

Goalies; $2.894M

Total Cap; $72.539M
Est. Cap Ceiling; $74.00M

MAF+Pouliot+pick or prospect for JVR+our 1st back
Dump Kunitz
Dump Fehr
Lovejoy walks
Sign Boedker
Re-sign Cullen

I seriously just said this

 

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I seriously just said this

Didn't even see. I copy-pasted a post of mine from the previous cap thread cuz I didn't feel like redoing all of the cap hits/math.

 

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I don't personally see the appeal of Boedker. For the money he's going to make, I don't think he brings enough to the table aside from speed.

If we're spending that kind of money, Lucic seems like a guy that would fit in really well with Geno, and he makes us instantly tougher.

I'm not real sure who I'd like to see brought in. No one really stands out to me. Colin Wilson is probably a guy I'd like to see here most.

Toughness is good, but Lucic is slow, declining and seems to adore it in LA.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I don't personally see the appeal of Boedker. For the money he's going to make, I don't think he brings enough to the table aside from speed.

If we're spending that kind of money, Lucic seems like a guy that would fit in really well with Geno, and he makes us instantly tougher.

I'm not real sure who I'd like to see brought in. No one really stands out to me. Colin Wilson is probably a guy I'd like to see here most.

I'd rather add no one than have Lucic on whatever stupid contract he's going to get.

There's a lot of winger available and potentially available, so it should be a fun off season. For some reason I keep forgetting that Okposo could hit free agency.

 

[Mordax]

My biggest concern, tbh. Maybe other teams got flashbacks from his game 5 and had a similar response, but I could really see that turning Dallas off him. Getting Nuke from Dallas for MAF would have been great, even if I'm not as high on him as I once was.

Hopefully one of the stupider GMs does something and we benefit. Like good old Benning deciding he has to have MAF.

Oh come on. You guys are so quick to blame that entire game on MAF, never mind the fact that NO ONE in front of him was doing anything to help him. I mean Letang had one of the worst games of his career. AND MAF was coming back from a 2 month injury. No self-respecting GM is going to seriously consider ONE GAME with those conditions as an accurate indication of MAF's current (note I said current...) potential.

It was a poor coaching decision to test MAF at that point in the series, and it failed. But it's not like MAF came out and had a 2012 Pens/Flyers-esq meltdown performance. He wasn't sharp enough, but given the circumstance, I don't really get how anyone was expecting him to steal that game the way the team was playing in front of him. Sullivan set him to fail.

For the record, I fully support moving forward with MM, both in these playoffs, and next season. Just pains me to see how much this board is crapping all over MAF after and unfortunatly timed injury and coaching decision.

 

[JTG]

I'd rather add no one than have Lucic on whatever stupid contract he's going to get.

There's a lot of winger available and potentially available, so it should be a fun off season. For some reason I keep forgetting that Okposo could hit free agency.

Okposo seems like a great target to me.

I'd definitely try to go the trade route first.

 

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Yeah, Okposo would be ****ing awesome too, but he's a RW first and foremost. If Hornqvist can swap, a Hornqvist - Crosby - Okposo line would be killer.

Like JTG said, it all hinges on what happens on the trade front. Specifically with regard to MAF and Pouliot. If they can land us a stud LW, long-term solution, we're in a much easier spot in FA. If not, we have to go hard after Boedker or Okposo.

 

[66-30-33]

I would only trade Malkin in a Tarasenko deal, but only if we were getting a 2C aswell in the deal so we can keep HBK as our 3rd line together and roll a 2nd line of Sprong?-traded C-Hornqvist, then Wilson?-Crosby-Tarasenko. But I really don't wanna trade Malkin unless the offer is too good to pass up.

 

[chethejet]

Not sure MAF is on the block with GMJR wanting goalie depth. But he has to make some room. Kunitz play is a good thing for moving him. But that is simply not enough. I have zero idea why extend OLi with Dumo being the far better D man. But it can be staggard with more room in 2017. I was all for trading Hornqvist due to his lack of speed, his contract that is attractive to a trade partner. I know it is not something that is popular, but looking at his lack of speed and Crosby just pissed over his inability to get to his lead passes, he can bring a D man or something that is of value. I know he attacks the net but with that PP, he is just a distraction more than a formidable scorer. Kunitz, Hornqvist, free up 8 million. But GMJR is not going to trade him or MAF which is why they will not improve next year.

 

[Gurglesons]

Not sure MAF is on the block with GMJR wanting goalie depth. But he has to make some room. Kunitz play is a good thing for moving him. But that is simply not enough. I have zero idea why extend OLi with Dumo being the far better D man. But it can be staggard with more room in 2017. I was all for trading Hornqvist due to his lack of speed, his contract that is attractive to a trade partner. I know it is not something that is popular, but looking at his lack of speed and Crosby just pissed over his inability to get to his lead passes, he can bring a D man or something that is of value. I know he attacks the net but with that PP, he is just a distraction more than a formidable scorer. Kunitz, Hornqvist, free up 8 million. But GMJR is not going to trade him or MAF which is why they will not improve next year.

The only way you move Hornqvist is if he is the center piece for a player of Shattenkirk's level.

 

[Riptide]

For what it's worth, Madden said today that he doesn't see Walsh not asking for a trade for Fleury and that it's not Fleury asking for a trade, it's Walsh. I didn't know agents did that, I thought demanding a trade was something players did.

They do it on behalf of the players. There's zero chance Walsh asks Rutherford for a trade if MAF tells Walsh that he's 100% happy in PIT - even if that's as the backup next season. What's more likely is that when Walsh and MAF talk, MAF tells him he wants to play and that he doesn't like being the backup. Walsh then goes to Rutherford and says "hey MAF wants to play more". And if Rutherford says that it's not happening (or that they'll split games, or whatever), then Walsh would probably tell JR that MAF would probably be happier somewhere else where he could play more. Or Walsh could just flat out tell Rutherford that MAF doesn't want to sit, and if he's not going to be the go to guy, then he wants to get moved.

But zero chance that happens without MAF giving Walsh some input as to how he's handling things and what his desires are. The agent is there to work on behalf of the player. But he'd be a pretty ****** agent if he demanded a trade request while that was the last thing MAF wanted. And while Walsh might be a hardass when it comes to negotiations, he's clearly respected enough in the industry that I doubt he's a crappy agent.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'm surprised folks are more interested in Boedker than Hoffman. Hoffman's exactly what Geno's missed since Neal walked. I don't think you'd have to break the bank for him, either. Ottawa seems to want to move him, and he's probably going to be asking only in the $4 to $5 million range (which is what Boedker will likely cost as a FA).

You're right, Hoffman would be incredible here.

Young, fast, relatively cheap, and a Neal-esque release. Guy's flirted with 30 goals the last two seasons without a center anywhere near Sid and Geno's calibre.

Even more impressive is that he scored 20 goals at ES. Kessel had 22.