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WJC: 2016 — Russia Roster Talk

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BlitzSnipe said:
How does this team look boys? Is the defence any good? Any forwards who could be dangerous? Defense and goaltending are the usual suspects for Russia, as well as lack of team play and strategy. If they get these components going, they may fare very well since the skill factor is there.
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lol:laugh:

-Goaltending is our #1 strength.
-Apart from Provorov, the defense will be comprised of mainly unremarkable CHLers (Sharpizyanov, Boikov, Sergeyev, Mikulovich).
-Offensively we lack gamebreakers, but we'll have 4 really competitive lines we can roll.
-Team play and motivation is never an issue under Bragin

It will be a sub-par year by Russian standards, imo. I predict a 4-5th place finish.
 
With Bragin in charge I expect nothing less than podium finish. They will fight to the death.
 
Passionis said:
next few years will be hard for Russian hockey still, the demographics of 1998-2004 are very thin compared to 1985-1988 birth years.

Most of kids who started hockey in early 90's were still very much under soviet hockey school and it wasn't until about 98 that the system really collapsed. I know, I was one of them :) and my last year in 1997 was a joke compared to coaches we had in 1993.

In the beginning coaches would "kill us" with excercises. In 1997 we were unorganized mess playing scrimmage every practice and we had a dude come by to check on us, coaches went on without salaries for months...

FHR started resurrecting things only about 10 years ago, and ONLY NOW!! are they really looking at kids hockey. Until very recently it was up to clubs to take care of their pwn entirely, now their designing a system and accreditation to coaches and all that, but still in its infancy.

It's actually amazing the level Russia could maintain consider the level of destruction, corruption in 90's early 2000's
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That only applies to the world outside big hockey schools which were always under big clubs' wings. And they are producing the top talent for the NT. That also expalins there was no complete breakdown. On top level there always was and there is a stream of talent coming from those established schools. Of course it's a major drop off compared to soviet times, but that doesn't mean we're in for meager years now. Basically we start getting an nflux of guys developed in the new system already. They just lack the quality. But in a couple of years I expect a major increase of quality and quantity actually.
 
Passionis said:
next few years will be hard for Russian hockey still, the demographics of 1998-2004 are very thin compared to 1985-1988 birth years.

Most of kids who started hockey in early 90's were still very much under soviet hockey school and it wasn't until about 98 that the system really collapsed. I know, I was one of them :) and my last year in 1997 was a joke compared to coaches we had in 1993.

In the beginning coaches would "kill us" with excercises. In 1997 we were unorganized mess playing scrimmage every practice and we had a dude come by to check on us, coaches went on without salaries for months...

FHR started resurrecting things only about 10 years ago, and ONLY NOW!! are they really looking at kids hockey. Until very recently it was up to clubs to take care of their pwn entirely, now their designing a system and accreditation to coaches and all that, but still in its infancy.

It's actually amazing the level Russia could maintain consider the level of destruction, corruption in 90's early 2000's
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It is amazing that junior teams remained somewhat competitive despite the decimation of the hockey infrastructure. Even during Soviet times, hockey was never a well-developed sport, with only a few oases of hockey centers in the midst of the vast desert - CSKA, Dynamo, Chelyabinsk, Penza, Voskresensk, and Yaroslavl, those were the only hockey schools that consistently produced good players. Later Togliatti-Samara-Syzran, to some degree. Look at the vast desert wasteland of St. Petersburg, producing almost no hockey players over the years. Imagine the possibilities if there were good schools and active programs throughout the country! Russia would be unbeatable.
 
Yakushev72 said:
It is amazing that junior teams remained somewhat competitive despite the decimation of the hockey infrastructure. Even during Soviet times, hockey was never a well-developed sport, with only a few oases of hockey centers in the midst of the vast desert - CSKA, Dynamo, Chelyabinsk, Penza, Voskresensk, and Yaroslavl, those were the only hockey schools that consistently produced good players. Later Togliatti-Samara-Syzran, to some degree. Look at the vast desert wasteland of St. Petersburg, producing almost no hockey players over the years. Imagine the possibilities if there were good schools and active programs throughout the country! Russia would be unbeatable.
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Yep, many say - 'Kakaya strana, takaya i sbornaya' - the state of the team reflects the state of the country. Things have been improving in Russia, but very slowly, and sanctions have not helped.
 
Zine said:
lol:laugh:

-Goaltending is our #1 strength.
-Apart from Provorov, the defense will be comprised of mainly unremarkable CHLers (Sharpizyanov, Boikov, Sergeyev, Mikulovich).
-Offensively we lack gamebreakers, but we'll have 4 really competitive lines we can roll.
-Team play and motivation is never an issue under Bragin

It will be a sub-par year by Russian standards, imo. I predict a 4-5th place finish.
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I've been seeing so much bad goaltending in Russia of late that it's hard to believe that goaltending will be the major strength, but if that's the case, then I'll take it :D.
 
So what are line combinations going to look like? Are they keeping Svech with Trenin and Lazarev? Does that make Kamenev-Guryanov-Kaprizov the default top line?
 
LuckyLuc said:
So what are line combinations going to look like? Are they keeping Svech with Trenin and Lazarev? Does that make Kamenev-Guryanov-Kaprizov the default top line?
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There will be no top line. Svechnikov and Lazarev will most definitely stay together. They might get an another mate though. I don't know if Kaprizov - Kamenev -Guryanov is a thing at all.
 
Atas2000 said:
There will be no top line. Svechnikov and Lazarev will most definitely stay together. They might get an another mate though. I don't know if Kaprizov - Kamenev -Guryanov is a thing at all.
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Huh. Team Russia seems to be the biggest mystery of all the teams at the moment. Haven't really been able to find any information on possible pairings and line combinations. Is there even a top 9 that can more or less be considered a lock?
 
LuckyLuc said:
Huh. Team Russia seems to be the biggest mystery of all the teams at the moment. Haven't really been able to find any information on possible pairings and line combinations. Is there even a top 9 that can more or less be considered a lock?
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Read the thread.
 
Fantomas said:
Read the thread.
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I wouldn't ask a question like that without reading the thread first. There have been a lot of guesses and opinions, but nothing seems set. Last I saw on Guryanov in this thread is that he might still be cut! This is quite a departure from the other contending teams, who seem to have their line combos all but locked in to start the tourney.

From the thread I have gathered that the top 9 should be made up of some combination of:

Svechnikov
Lazarev
Trenin
Guryanov
Kamenev
Kaprizov
Korshkov
Kraskovski
Dergachyov

The only line combo that seems to be more or less set is Svech-Trenin-Lazarev. Did I miss anything?
 
LuckyLuc said:
I wouldn't ask a question like that without reading the thread first. There have been a lot of guesses and opinions, but nothing seems set. Last I saw on Guryanov in this thread is that he might still be cut! This is quite a departure from the other contending teams, who seem to have their line combos all but locked in to start the tourney.

From the thread I have gathered that the top 9 should be made up of some combination of:

Svechnikov
Lazarev
Trenin
Guryanov
Kamenev
Kaprizov
Korshkov
Kraskovski
Dergachyov

The only line combo that seems to be more or less set is Svech-Trenin-Lazarev. Did I miss anything?
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Lyamkin, Zhelezkov, Trenin, Nekolenko cut
 
Lines from practice:
Zhuldikov - Provorov, Lazarev - Kamenev - Svechnikov
Boikov - Rykov, Lauta - Kraskovsky - Korshkov
Sergeev - Sharipzyanov, Kuzmenko - Svetlakov - Dergachev
Voronkov - Mikulovich, Guryanov - Fazleev - Kaprizov
Zborovsky, Polunin.
 
Not surprised with Trenin, but I am surprised Bragin doesn't want to just keep the Lokomotiv 3 together--would have thought that chemistry would be huge in a short tournament.
 
Looks good to me. I think Trenin ultimately was faceoff prowess and little else. And that is not enough.
 
8-3 today against the Czech Republic, after a 3-2 loss yesterday (U16, friendly). Svechnikov scored 4 goals - guy seems to know exactly what he's doing. Been trying to find footage of the goals but it's not that easy.
 
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