2015-2016 Roster Talk: East Coast Thinks We Suck Edition(MOD WARNING) post# 107

[Ron*]

Well, he won't be moved with that attitude.

Once teams start trying to sign UFA's like Okposo (rumored to be asking 7), the teams that miss out on one of the high profile guys will start looking at guys like Brown that are available. A team like the Oilers, who don't have to worry about production because they have enough between all their first overall picks will start looking at Brown in the 4M range (salary retained)

Kings retaining 2M on Brown still frees 3.8M. He's been passed on the depth chart by almost every winger on the team. Maybe Nolan/Mersch haven't passed him yet. I'd take Clifford over Brown because he's only 1.6M.

If Brown doesn't want to waive his NTC that's cool, he can always be sent down/benched when Kempe passes him.

For this team to be competitive they have to move Brown's salary.

Besides, I fully expect Brown to regain his play after he's moved. No longer having the weight of the captaincy will allow him to focus on what made him a successful hockey player.

On what planet were you born?

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

having a player play 1000 games with one organization is a big deal...LA could have to on this current team in brown and kopitar.
This is the best kings team in the history of the org...lets enjoy it

Kopitar is going to go down as one of the greatest Kings of all time and should have his number retired. I just can't believe some fans are so quick to throw him under the bus before the contract is even official.

8x10 is probably an overpay yes, but this guy has completely changed this franchise and is still an elite level player. What were people expecting after Toews and Kane?

 

[Reclamation Project]

As long as the Kings have Kopitar, Carter, Muzzin, Doughty, and Quick being productive players, they are contenders. That core is as good as anyone, and in my opinion, the best in the league. Everyone else, from bottom sixers to bottom pairing defenseman, are forgettable.

 

[Trolfoli]

On what planet were you born?

France. We come from France.

edit: Movie reference, not reality. Ron get's it I'm sure.

 

[Mattias]

Well, he won't be moved with that attitude.

Once teams start trying to sign UFA's like Okposo (rumored to be asking 7), the teams that miss out on one of the high profile guys will start looking at guys like Brown that are available. A team like the Oilers, who don't have to worry about production because they have enough between all their first overall picks will start looking at Brown in the 4M range (salary retained)

Kings retaining 2M on Brown still frees 3.8M. He's been passed on the depth chart by almost every winger on the team. Maybe Nolan/Mersch haven't passed him yet. I'd take Clifford over Brown because he's only 1.6M.

If Brown doesn't want to waive his NTC that's cool, he can always be sent down/benched when Kempe passes him.

For this team to be competitive they have to move Brown's salary.

Besides, I fully expect Brown to regain his play after he's moved. No longer having the weight of the captaincy will allow him to focus on what made him a successful hockey player.

And proof do you have of this? Why on Earth would a team that has such high level talent and future cap problems with Hall/Yak/RNH/Eberle/Drai/McDavid even desiring Brown at a 3.8? You're delusions if you believe the Oilers will just take our bloated contracts. You're typing how Brown is surpassed in the depth cart by Clifford and not considering how Edmonton's roster looks.

Tack on the NTC/NMC of Brown (who I sincerely doubt would waive to go to Edmonton) and you're resorting to threatening via the "you'll waive or we send you down to our AHL affiliate team!" route? Really?! Then watch as the NMC prevents Brown from being sent down.

We are stuck with Brown barring a miracle trade, or an expansion team picking him up (which I also doubt because every team forum right now is expecting their 1-2 awful contracts to be picked up).

 

[YP44]

Kopitar is going to go down as one of the greatest Kings of all time and should have his number retired. I just can't believe some fans are so quick to throw him under the bus before the contract is even official.

8x10 is probably an overpay yes, but this guy has completely changed this franchise and is still an elite level player. What were people expecting after Toews and Kane?

I was hoping for under $10 but it is what it is. I am pumped players want to commit 8 years here. I fully think his number will be retired.

What are people going to say when drew gets $14M on an extension

 

[KINGS17]

Oh that's right I forgot, everything that happened last season all falls on Kopitar but let's disregard the fact that he has looked like a completely different player this season.

I don't disregard it. Now that he is one of the top three paid players in the NHL, he better bring it every night, every season, and if you're being honest you will say that you know he doesn't do that. At least he hasn't in the past.

 

[YP44]

I don't disregard it. Now that he is one of the top three paid players in the NHL, he better bring it every night, every season, and if you're being honest you will say that you know he doesn't do that. At least he hasn't in the past.

look at it this way. Kopitar will only be getting paid $1M than PK subban and $1.5M more than Lundqvist. also only a 1.2M raise.

the market is what it is.

 

[Trolfoli]

And proof do you have of this? Why on Earth would a team that has such high level talent and future cap problems with Hall/Yak/RNH/Eberle/Drai/McDavid even desiring Brown at a 3.8? You're delusions if you believe the Oilers will just take our bloated contracts. You're typing how Brown is surpassed in the depth cart by Clifford and not considering how Edmonton's roster looks.

Tack on the NTC/NMC of Brown (who I sincerely doubt would waive to go to Edmonton) and you're resorting to threatening via the "you'll waive or we send you down to our AHL affiliate team!" route? Really?! Then watch as the NMC prevents Brown from being sent down.

We are stuck with Brown barring a miracle trade, or an expansion team picking him up (which I also doubt because every team forum right now is expecting their 1-2 awful contracts to be picked up).

Yup... Oilers need some grit. They'll be going after some of those players this offseason.

Brown, no longer produces. Defensively he's on par with any other winger out there. Kings have plenty of other gritty guys so Brown brings absolutely nothing the Kings can't replace.

A team like the Oilers who are going to be looking for some physical players would probably look at someone like Brown for in the $4M range. Most Kings fans were happy with him for around 3.6.

I think most of Brown's troubles are from trying to do too much and be a leader with the puck. You put him on a team where he doesn't have to be the captain and I think he'll go back to doing what made him successful. Outside of the production issue, Brown hasn't looked bad. A team that has lots of skill and needs more grit may take a flyer on Brown.

Lombardi just took a shot on VL. That's looking like an okay deal so far.

 

[Mattias]

Yup... Oilers need some grit. They'll be going after some of those players this offseason.

Brown, no longer produces. Defensively he's on par with any other winger out there. Kings have plenty of other gritty guys so Brown brings absolutely nothing the Kings can't replace.

A team like the Oilers who are going to be looking for some physical players would probably look at someone like Brown for in the $4M range. Most Kings fans were happy with him for around 3.6.

I think most of Brown's troubles are from trying to do too much and be a leader with the puck. You put him on a team where he doesn't have to be the captain and I think he'll go back to doing what made him successful. Outside of the production issue, Brown hasn't looked bad. A team that has lots of skill and needs more grit may take a flyer on Brown.

Lombardi just took a shot on VL. That's looking like an okay deal so far.

And Browns hitting totals are down this year. Go instead for Clutterbuck or Plotnikov or Abdelkader or cheaper/younger/hittier player than Brown. You're missing the point that Edmonton will just take scraps. There are better options than that long contract for a young and upcoming team like the Oilers. Brown is not the piece they need to content in the west.

Brown is 31. He is trending down. On a contract that will end 21/22. Sure, he is worth 3.6 now. Do you think he will be worth that in 2 years? How about 4? If I'm a general manager, I stick away from that player unless some significant pieces to sweeten the pot are added, like how Lombardi was having to add picks/prospects just to have teams listen in on Richards.

Don't get me wrong, I feel LA would be blessed by having Brown off the books. But his production level/age/playing style are all deteriorated to the point of him being untradable. Tack on a NMC/NTC and we are stuck with him.

DL also took a chance on Vinni because he is retiring his career. Vinni is done. Brown has just started that new contract. Big difference.

 

[Trolfoli]

And Browns hitting totals are down this year. Go instead for Clutterbuck or Plotnikov or Abdelkader or cheaper/younger/hittier player than Brown. You're missing the point that Edmonton will just take scraps. There are better options than that long contract for a young and upcoming team like the Oilers. Brown is not the piece they need to content in the west.

Brown is 31. He is trending down. On a contract that will end 21/22. Sure, he is worth 3.6 now. Do you think he will be worth that in 2 years? How about 4? If I'm a general manager, I stick away from that player unless some significant pieces to sweeten the pot are added, like how Lombardi was having to add picks/prospects just to have teams listen in on Richards.

Don't get me wrong, I feel LA would be blessed by having Brown off the books. But his production level/age/playing style are all deteriorated to the point of him being untradable. Tack on a NMC/NTC and we are stuck with him.

DL also took a chance on Vinni because he is retiring his career. Vinni is done. Brown has just started that new contract. Big difference.

What I'm starting to realize is that I'm looking at Brown as someone that needs to be moved because the Kings can replace him for cheaper on the roster. He's having a down year, but I don't think there is anything significantly wrong with his game that a change of scenery can't fix. I'm frustrated with Brown, but I don't think he's a garbage player that has nothing to offer at this point.

Edit: It's funny to think that I may be over valuing Brown in comparison to some of the other posters here.

 

[Mattias]

What I'm starting to realize is that I'm looking at Brown as someone that needs to be moved because the Kings can replace him for cheaper on the roster. He's having a down year, but I don't think there is anything significantly wrong with his game that a change of scenery can't fix. I'm frustrated with Brown, but I don't think he's a garbage player that has nothing to offer at this point.

Edit: It's funny to think that I may be over valuing Brown in comparison to some of the other posters here.

I can see where you're coming from. He could use a change of scenery. The family life and playing style has certainly taken it's toll. You're also correct that the Kings can replace him for cheaper and get better production.

Problem is, most teams in the league can do that too

Garbage player? No, he has a role and does his job. But the long contract term, in a salary cap world makes that player worth far less than we hope. Other contracts will be albatross soon too (Kesler anyone?). Every team has a bad contract these days and are stuck with it. Ours is Brown, and worth it for the cups we got.

 

[Trolfoli]

I can see where you're coming from. He could use a change of scenery. The family life and playing style has certainly taken it's toll. You're also correct that the Kings can replace him for cheaper and get better production.

Problem is, most teams in the league can do that too

Garbage player? No, he has a role and does his job. But the long contract term, in a salary cap world makes that player worth far less than we hope. Other contracts will be albatross soon too (Kesler anyone?). Every team has a bad contract these days and are stuck with it. Ours is Brown, and worth it for the cups we got.

For a team that feels they might be too soft in the top 9, there are probably cheaper options out there then Brown, but there is the cup winning experience which is a little voodoo around the league... As a GM do you spend 2.75M on a Clutterbuck, or is that extra 4.8 - 2.75= 2.05M (Brown retained-Clutterbuck) enough to make you start thinking about Brown's playoff experience, even with the bad contract. That depends on how much cap space a team has.

Add to that the price to acquire Brown. You could get him for very little and probably dump a guy like Fayne back the other way.

Most teams can replace what Brown brings internally. The trick is to find one that can't. Oliers are one team I know for certain are looking for more grit in their lineup. There may be others.

 

[KINGS17]

I can see where you're coming from. He could use a change of scenery. The family life and playing style has certainly taken it's toll. You're also correct that the Kings can replace him for cheaper and get better production.

Problem is, most teams in the league can do that too

Garbage player? No, he has a role and does his job. But the long contract term, in a salary cap world makes that player worth far less than we hope. Other contracts will be albatross soon too (Kesler anyone?). Every team has a bad contract these days and are stuck with it. Ours is Brown, and worth it for the cups we got.

The Kesler contract still baffles me.

 

[Mattias]

The Kesler contract still baffles me.

Every team gets one 'bad' contract. Kesler fits that bill. I somewhat understand the reasoning as the team does not look to have anyone who can perform close to Kesler, but yikes on the term. How anyone will look at the Kesler contract as standard value is shocking.

 

[go4hockey]

We don't have the requisite picks to hit paydirt.

Sure we do you can hit pay dirt with any draft pick not just a top 5-10 pick. Look at what LA has done with 2nd round pick since Dean took over and you will see pay dirt multiple times. IN DEAN I TRUST!!!!!

 

[go4hockey]

I dunno, why do the players hire an asshat like Fehr to represent them?

100% agree. Fehr is the reason I will side with the owners every time there are any more work stoppages.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I've always felt Quentin Tarantino looked like Donald Fehr's illegitimate son.

 

[KINGS17]

I've always felt Quentin Tarantino looked like Donald Fehr's illegitimate son.

Okay, don't know why, but that cracked me up.

 

[Herby]

Brown will be moved only if Kings fail or flop. Hell will freez before Lombradi trades Brown if this team is competing and winning.

This kind of thinking is how you end up having Mike Richards, Matt Greene, Dustin Brown and Jarret Stoll making a combined $17 million like they were last year.

 

[Trolfoli]

Every team gets one 'bad' contract. Kesler fits that bill. I somewhat understand the reasoning as the team does not look to have anyone who can perform close to Kesler, but yikes on the term. How anyone will look at the Kesler contract as standard value is shocking.

The best part about the Kesler contract may be that he brought his good buddy Bieksa with him. Who has 2 more years at $4M with a NMC, and the Ducks fans love him!!!

 

[guderian]

This kind of thinking is how you end up having Mike Richards, Matt Greene, Dustin Brown and Jarret Stoll making a combined $17 million like they were last year.

I know, go tell that to Dean.

 

[gnarls barkley]

i see depth guys being moved out before Brown tbh.

Clifford/Nolan/Lewis are prime candidates to be moved or let go.

 

[Ron*]

i see depth guys being moved out before Brown tbh.

Clifford/Nolan/Lewis are prime candidates to be moved or let go.

Exactly. I see Dean moving any combination of the three (including all of them) to clear CAP space for Lucic.

 

[Ron*]

The best part about the Kesler contract may be that he brought his good buddy Bieksa with him. Who has 2 more years at $4M with a NMC, and the Ducks fans love him!!!

And the Ducks have an internal cap, don't forget. So these kinds of deal just hamstring them all that much more.