2015-2016 Roster Talk: Bottom Six has 0 goals in Infinity Games Edition

[Trolfoli]

Oilers Acquiring Brown/Muzzin Picking up Harmonic, Out Eberle, Yak, could move some D around Davidson/Reinhart/Gryba/Nurse fighting for the last few spots...

Pouliot(4)/Draisaitl(3.75)/RNH(6)
Hall(6)/McDavid(3.75)/Brown(5.875)
Korpikoski(2.5)/Lander(1)/Kassian(1.75)
Hendricks(1.85)/Letestu(1.8)/Maroon(1.5)
Gazdic(0.8)/Cracknell(0.575)

Muzzin(4)/Harmonic(3.86)
Klefbom(4.167)/Sekera(5.5)
Nurse(0.863)/Fayne(3.625)
Gryba(1.25)

Talbot 4.167
Brossoit (0.75)

Line up can be blenderized. Cap hit comes in at 70.2M, Fayne can be moved/bought out if space is needed. Only 2 years left on Fayne's contract after this so there is room for the players salaries to go up. McDavid/Draisaitl at full bonus.

Cap works fine.

Also with a top 6 with McDavid/Hall/Draisaitl/RNH Oilers are set for high end scoring and need Lucic/Brown/King type players.

Again if Brown is on the team next year either the top 6 and or D are going to be razor thin. Kings will be aiming for a wild card spot. If you move Brown you can have a top 6, a solid D (even without Muzzin or Martinez) and possibly fill the 3C (or go after one at the deadline). Either way it should be enough to easily make the playoffs.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Why should I care about Edm?

Your logic in moving Muzz just to rid Brown's contract is off. You act like LA can replace Muzz easily and at an equally amazing price. Could not disagree more.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Per dreger cap expected at 74

 

[KingsFan7824]

Oilers Acquiring Brown/Muzzin Picking up Harmonic, Out Eberle, Yak, could move some D around Davidson/Reinhart/Gryba/Nurse fighting for the last few spots...

This is why it gets complicated. Now you're making a ton of moves for another team, just to help the Kings get rid of Brown. Maybe they don't want Brown. If someone can replace Muzzin on the Kings, why wouldn't the Oilers just try for that guy instead?

Again if Brown is on the team next year either the top 6 and or D are going to be razor thin. Kings will be aiming for a wild card spot. If you move Brown you can have a top 6, a solid D (even without Muzzin or Martinez) and possibly fill the 3C (or go after one at the deadline). Either way it should be enough to easily make the playoffs.

If in theory you're helping the Oilers, that can make a top 3 playoff spot tougher to get, making a wild card spot more possible.

Again, you're counting on the Kings being able to open up $10m in cap space free and clear, and then figuring it's easy enough to replace Muzzin. While both could be true, both could also not be true. Maybe Muzzin isn't enough to get rid of Brown. Maybe the other team wants to dump some money on you in order to take Brown, while taking Muzzin too. Maybe Yandle isn't as good as Muzzin for more money.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Per dreger cap expected at 74

Holy **** we're laughing if that's the case.

 

[YP44]

Holy **** we're laughing if that's the case.

wasn't $74M the prediction all year?

 

[go4hockey]

Why should I care about Edm?

Your logic in moving Muzz just to rid Brown's contract is off. You act like LA can replace Muzz easily and at an equally amazing price. Could not disagree more.

I guess some fan just don't know how good Muzzin is and how sweet of a deal his contract is for a #2 guy can't beat that sweet contract.

 

[tsanuri]

wasn't $74M the prediction all year?

Yes, it just confirms that it hasn't changed.
And in previous years the early projection changed.
But it's being helped by the fact the Loonie is no longer falling and actually going back up some.
It's back to .75 right now.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

wasn't $74M the prediction all year?

It was at the beginning of the season, but seriously, nobody in their right mind kept believing it because of the crashing loonie. But that seems to have stabilized, which I suppose has increased optimism/projections.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Fishhead]

So Re: Expansion Draft.

I saw that each teams unprotected players have to be 25% of their payroll. If there is a draft in 2017, Brown may have to be exposed out of necessity even if he miraculously turns a corner and reverts to the older Brown. I'm assuming that Kopitar (ineligible, NMC), Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, and Gaborik would be protected. Lucic also if he is re-signed. Who knows about the 7th, King will be UFA and Lewis likely gone. I can't really think of anyone else who other teams will covet. Maybe one of the guys who have been cooking in the minors, but they would really have to tear it up.

Defense is easier. Doughty, Muzzin, and Amart are no brainers at this point.

 

[Cook24]

So Re: Expansion Draft.

I saw that each teams unprotected players have to be 25% of their payroll. If there is a draft in 2017, Brown may have to be exposed out of necessity even if he miraculously turns a corner and reverts to the older Brown. I'm assuming that Kopitar (ineligible, NMC), Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, and Gaborik would be protected. Lucic also if he is re-signed. Who knows about the 7th, King will be UFA and Lewis likely gone. I can't really think of anyone else who other teams will covet. Maybe one of the guys who have been cooking in the minors, but they would really have to tear it up.

Defense is easier. Doughty, Muzzin, and Amart are no brainers at this point.

I would leave Gaborik unprotected. Although he started playing better before his injury, not sure I wanna pay almost 5 mil cap for him for another 5 seasons. If cap weren't an issue, obviously I wouldn't mind keeping him.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Nice way to look at asset management, from Rosen:

"It is, of course, a partial evaluation because Los Angeles hasn’t yet arrived in the playoffs, and it’s impossible to see what impact these players will have on any sort of postseason success, but with their hands tied due to a lack of draft picks and salary cap flexibility, the Kings made two trades in 2016 that have provided dividends, all while surrendering Christian Ehrhoff, Jordan Weal and a third round draft pick."

Ehrhoff, Weal, and a 3rd for Scuderi, Schenn, Lecavalier has worked out very well so far.

Compare that to what Dallas gave up for Russell or what Chicago gave up for Ladd, Fleischmann, and Weise for example and I think DL was being a genius here.

 

[KingsFan7824]

So Re: Expansion Draft.

I saw that each teams unprotected players have to be 25% of their payroll. If there is a draft in 2017, Brown may have to be exposed out of necessity even if he miraculously turns a corner and reverts to the older Brown. I'm assuming that Kopitar (ineligible, NMC), Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, and Gaborik would be protected. Lucic also if he is re-signed. Who knows about the 7th, King will be UFA and Lewis likely gone. I can't really think of anyone else who other teams will covet. Maybe one of the guys who have been cooking in the minors, but they would really have to tear it up.

Defense is easier. Doughty, Muzzin, and Amart are no brainers at this point.

There's still too much unknown about it, but I saw it said you can also just keep any 8 skaters plus a goalie too. It could be 4 defensemen then, but then you're exposing an extra couple forwards.

If this expansion does happen, it'll just make things that much more complicated. A bit tougher to guess what the roster might look like 12 months from now. What if, for example, Gravel gets himself a spot next year, and plays really well?

 

[gnarls barkley]

Nice way to look at asset management, from Rosen:

"It is, of course, a partial evaluation because Los Angeles hasn’t yet arrived in the playoffs, and it’s impossible to see what impact these players will have on any sort of postseason success, but with their hands tied due to a lack of draft picks and salary cap flexibility, the Kings made two trades in 2016 that have provided dividends, all while surrendering Christian Ehrhoff, Jordan Weal and a third round draft pick."

Ehrhoff, Weal, and a 3rd for Scuderi, Schenn, Lecavalier has worked out very well so far.

Compare that to what Dallas gave up for Russell or what Chicago gave up for Ladd, Fleischmann, and Weise for example and I think DL was being a genius here.

it's mind blowing at how ridiculous his moves look on paper initially, and then magically turn into solid gold shortly thereafter

honestly can't tell if DL is a genius, Sutter and his system is genius, or all of the above

 

[HeadInjury]

So Re: Expansion Draft.

I saw that each teams unprotected players have to be 25% of their payroll. If there is a draft in 2017, Brown may have to be exposed out of necessity even if he miraculously turns a corner and reverts to the older Brown. I'm assuming that Kopitar (ineligible, NMC), Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, and Gaborik would be protected. Lucic also if he is re-signed. Who knows about the 7th, King will be UFA and Lewis likely gone. I can't really think of anyone else who other teams will covet. Maybe one of the guys who have been cooking in the minors, but they would really have to tear it up.

Defense is easier. Doughty, Muzzin, and Amart are no brainers at this point.

You have to factor in players like Mersch and Kempe. It's the younger players I think the expansion team would covet most.

 

[Omni Owl]

VL is my favorite trade in awhile, he's been ****ing solid so far. I think Dean knew he was going to play hard before he retires. I was an advocate of getting Gagner instead, but I'd much rather have Vinny right now (though Gagner has played better for Philly).

 

[KingsFan7824]

Nice way to look at asset management, from Rosen:

"It is, of course, a partial evaluation because Los Angeles hasn’t yet arrived in the playoffs, and it’s impossible to see what impact these players will have on any sort of postseason success, but with their hands tied due to a lack of draft picks and salary cap flexibility, the Kings made two trades in 2016 that have provided dividends, all while surrendering Christian Ehrhoff, Jordan Weal and a third round draft pick."

Ehrhoff, Weal, and a 3rd for Scuderi, Schenn, Lecavalier has worked out very well so far.

Compare that to what Dallas gave up for Russell or what Chicago gave up for Ladd, Fleischmann, and Weise for example and I think DL was being a genius here.

Lombardi has been pretty good at the buy low stuff. Carter to a certain extent. Certainly Gaborik and Lecavalier. Possibly Scuderi. He's not much for the sell high part of it, but he's bought high though.

 

[go4hockey]

So Re: Expansion Draft.

I saw that each teams unprotected players have to be 25% of their payroll. If there is a draft in 2017, Brown may have to be exposed out of necessity even if he miraculously turns a corner and reverts to the older Brown. I'm assuming that Kopitar (ineligible, NMC), Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, and Gaborik would be protected. Lucic also if he is re-signed. Who knows about the 7th, King will be UFA and Lewis likely gone. I can't really think of anyone else who other teams will covet. Maybe one of the guys who have been cooking in the minors, but they would really have to tear it up.

Defense is easier. Doughty, Muzzin, and Amart are no brainers at this point.

No need to protect Gabby if he was to get picked up we talk the cap space and move on.

 

[YP44]

No need to protect Gabby if he was to get picked up we talk the cap space and move on.

yup leave Brown and Gaborik..Chances are they will not be picked up anyway.

I am curious if there is expansion what will it do to the salary cap? Would it not decrease as there would be same revenue base for initial year but split among more team? If so then there would be a large increase the year afterwards.

Will be interesting

 

[KingsFan7824]

You have to factor in players like Mersch and Kempe. It's the younger players I think the expansion team would covet most.

We still don't know what an expansion team would have to do in terms of the cap. Are they tied to the floor when the season starts? Would they, or would they not, have to hit a certain amount in the draft?

 

[HeadInjury]

We still don't know what an expansion team would have to do in terms of the cap. Are they tied to the floor when the season starts? Would they, or would they not, have to hit a certain amount in the draft?

It's easy to reach the cap floor. You can sign anyone to anything you want. The purpose of the expansion draft is to get assets from other teams that they don't want to give up.

For example, with the Kings, an expansion team could take Kempe (if available) and then turn around and say they'll be willing to take on Brown's contract if the incentive is enough. No need to waste their expansion draft pick on trying to reach the floor.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Except they can't take Kempe, because he wouldn't be eligible.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

it's mind blowing at how ridiculous his moves look on paper initially, and then magically turn into solid gold shortly thereafter

honestly can't tell if DL is a genius, Sutter and his system is genius, or all of the above

TonySCV said it best, if I'm any other GM dealing with Lombardi, I'm asking how dumb I'm going to look later, or something to that effect.

 

[regulate]

I thought Brown has a partial NTC (list of 7 teams he cannot be traded to). If that's the case, I'm pretty sure NMC players will have to be protected by their teams. Friedman said the same thing this morning (about NMC).