2015-2016 Roster Talk: Bottom Six has 0 goals in Infinity Games Edition

[tsanuri]

I'm guessing the NHLPA will argue for NTC & NMC to be protected. Who knows where the agreement will come out.

They will lose on the NTC side I would think. The NMC they would likely win. But since the CBA doesn't list expansion it is up for interpretation.
I would think since it doesn't list NMC as something that is protected in expansion they will make a compromise. Allowing NTC to enter and NMC to be forced to protect. Allowing both sides to actually come away with something and save face.

 

[YP44]

It's NMC not NTC. Big difference. I would guess unless it's a full NMC you can be open.

Maybe it will depends if the expansion team is on that players no trade list.

Lets say it is Vegas and Brown is allowed to veto 7 places. Maybe LA has to ask him if Vegas is one of those teams. IF he picks 7 other clubs he is fair game on expansion draft.

Would seem fair to me

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

They will lose on the NTC side I would think. The NMC they would likely win. But since the CBA doesn't list expansion it is up for interpretation.
I would think since it doesn't list NMC as something that is protected in expansion they will make a compromise. Allowing NTC to enter and NMC to be forced to protect. Allowing both sides to actually come away with something and save face.

I was just about to say that's the concession both sides could make.

NTC = well, you're not traded, so there's that.
NMC = no movement--we'll uphold that. win win.

Especially as the CBA doesn't explicitly cover expansion in that regard and no one wants to go to brass tacks collective bargaining over something seemingly minor-ish.

 

[tsanuri]

If Brown's still making $7M that could come in handy.

That rule is going to need some fixing. A team like the Hawks comes to mind. Lots of high end talent, NTC/NMC's and lots of guys making around $1M. It may be difficult for a team like that to hit the number.

If it is only NMC that are protected it will force a team like Chicago to leave Anisimov unprotected. That would be partly just to get to the number.

 

[BigBrown]

I think it's highly optimistic to think any expansion team would select Brown when they know they can probably get him with salary retained plus an asset or two for free in a trade.

 

[YP44]

I think it's highly optimistic to think any expansion team would select Brown when they know they can probably get him with salary retained plus an asset or two for free in a trade.

agreed.

Doesn't really matter if he has to be made available or not he will not be taken. However if 25% of payroll has to be available it maybe too bad if LA is not be able to put brown into that space (I.E NTC does not permit)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So, shall we expect a trade along the lines of Forbort, Lintuniemi and one of Clifford, Nolan or Andreoff to a newly formed expansion team for "future considerations"? Those considerations being that the team obtaining said players selects Dustin Brown (if he is eligible to be on the unprotected list).

 

[YP44]

So, shall we expect a trade along the lines of Forbort, Lintuniemi and one of Clifford, Nolan or Andreoff to a newly formed expansion team for "future considerations"? Those considerations being that the team obtaining said players selects Dustin Brown (if he is eligible to be on the unprotected list).

if that was the only cost I would be all for it..Getting rid of Nolan is a + IMO

 

[regulate]

We have $11,644,773 in CAP space if the CAP hits $74 million. To fill the roster, we will need 3 forwards, 2 defensemen and 1 goalie (typical NHL roster). Our current commitment to players on the roster for next season (plus settlement and not counting Lecavalier due to retirement ) is $62,355,227.

UFA's
Lucic
Versteeg
Lewis
Sutter
Schenn
McBain
Schultz
Enroth

RFA
McNabb
Forbort (not waiver exempt)
Crescenzi
Kitsyn (not waiver exempt)
Bartosak
Dowd
Roach (not waiver exempt)

 

[YP44]

We have $11,644,773 in CAP space if the CAP hits $74 million. To fill the roster, we will need 3 forwards, 2 defensemen and 1 goalie (typical NHL roster). Our current commitment to players on the roster for next season (plus settlement and not counting Lecavalier due to retirement ) is $62,355,227.

UFA's
Lucic
Versteeg
Lewis
Sutter
Schenn
McBain
Schultz
Enroth

RFA
McNabb
Forbort (not waiver exempt)
Crescenzi
Kitsyn (not waiver exempt)
Bartosak
Dowd
Roach (not waiver exempt)

Try and re-sign lucic first and foremost so you know how much space is left. Versteeg, Lewis, Schultz, McBain Enroth I wold not offer initial deals to (if McBain take $600K again sure). I would want to bring back Schenn but depends on demands

RFA's
Priority to me would be McNabb and Forbort. Bartosak is gone. Dowd will be a no brainier to be qualified.

 

[Trolfoli]

Maybe a little OT for the Kings roster... but Bieksa has a NMC in the final 2 years of his contract. Ducks may have to use one of their 3 D protection slots on him. That would leave 2 left for Fowler/Vatanen/Lindholm/Mason

Kings may have to keep Brown 1 more year to be sacrificed to the Expansion Draft God. One of the most hated/feared of the Hockey Gods!

 

[regulate]

With $11,644,773 (assuming the CAP is 74, could be a little lower), that means an average of $1.91 million per player to fill six roster spots. If Lucic signs for $6 million (may get higher), that would be $1.13 million per roster spot for the next 5 players. So basically, if you get Lucic for 6, you will be filling the rest of the roster with kids and Budaj, signed for $600,000 next year. That's the reality. You could go down to 22 players, but that limits you flexibility and does not give you a lot more room. I would like to see Dowd, Mersch and Gravel on this roster next year. The fiscal reality may make even more likely.

 

[YP44]

With $11,644,773 (assuming the CAP is 74, could be a little lower), that means an average of $1.91 million per player to fill six roster spots. If Lucic signs for $6 million (may get higher), that would be $1.13 million per roster spot for the next 5 players. So basically, if you get Lucic for 6, you will be filling the rest of the roster with kids and Budaj, signed for $600,000 next year. That's the reality. You could go down to 22 players, but that limits you flexibility and does not give you a lot more room. I would like to see Dowd, Mersch and Gravel on this roster next year. The fiscal reality may make even more likely.

i do not know about dowd but i think Mersch and Gravel definitely have a spot next year

 

[Herby]

So, shall we expect a trade along the lines of Forbort, Lintuniemi and one of Clifford, Nolan or Andreoff to a newly formed expansion team for "future considerations"? Those considerations being that the team obtaining said players selects Dustin Brown (if he is eligible to be on the unprotected list).

Forbort, Clifford and a 4th for them agreeing to take Brown is something that could benefit both teams. Brown's play on the ice has fallen off significantly but he would be a two time Stanley Cup winning captain, and it doesn't hurt that the Kings are pretty well followed in Vegas as well.

Although money is money and that is a lot of money to be paying to two guys who have been pretty awful in Brown and Clifford.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I think it's highly optimistic to think any expansion team would select Brown when they know they can probably get him with salary retained plus an asset or two for free in a trade.

It's not about whether he would be taken (you're right, he wouldn't be) it's about him taking up one of the 9 or 11 spots depending on which way they decide to go, 7-3-1 or 8+1.

 

[Fat Elvis]

I remember the Kings trading Jan Vopat to the Preds in an expansion draft scenario. Jan ended up having a decent NHL run. I can't remember if it was for the Preds to draft someone or not to draft someone.
I can see DL looking into something similar with Brown like you suggested Ziggy.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Now, is Kempe available for the expansion draft? He'd have 2 years of professional hockey under his belt. I believe all those prospects in Ontario would be in play.

It sure will be interesting leading up to that draft. I'm guessing teams will be moving young players just so they don't lose them for nothing.

 

[YP44]

Now, is Kempe available for the expansion draft? He'd have 2 years of professional hockey under his belt. I believe all those prospects in Ontario would be in play.

It sure will be interesting leading up to that draft. I'm guessing teams will be moving young players just so they don't lose them for nothing.

I was under the impression that it was 2 years NHL experience not AHL.

 

[tsanuri]

I was under the impression that it was 2 years NHL experience not AHL.

It's 2 years pro experience not NHL. So any professional league.

 

[Omni Owl]

If we lose Kempe to this ******** I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[HeadInjury]

If we lose Kempe to this ******** I'm gonna be pissed.

We won't. Kings wouldn't protect Brown or Gaborik. The only forwards on the roster that really need to be protected are Kopitar, Lucic (if re-signed), Carter, Toffoli and Pearson. There's room to protect Kempe and, for that matter, Mersch. If someone selects King, Clifford or Shore, so be it.

 

[go4hockey]

It's 2 years pro experience not NHL. So any professional league.

So would that count years played in Europe? As some young guys play in the pro leagues there before being drafted. There are lots of small things for the league to figure out.

 

[YP44]

We won't. Kings wouldn't protect Brown or Gaborik. The only forwards on the roster that really need to be protected are Kopitar, Lucic (if re-signed), Carter, Toffoli and Pearson. There's room to protect Kempe and, for that matter, Mersch. If someone selects King, Clifford or Shore, so be it.

agree with this

 

[tsanuri]

So would that count years played in Europe? As some young guys play in the pro leagues there before being drafted. There are lots of small things for the league to figure out.

If it was in a professional league then yes it will count.
They don't have anything to figure out. They made it very clear. Two years professional experience. No matter where.

 

[Trolfoli]

Kings don't have much to worry about with the expansion. They can protect most of the top guys. Kempe/Mersch aren't hard to protect for a couple spots. King will probably be a UFA that year. Kings may lose him anyways, but I think there's a good chance he resigns. Defense isn't much of a concern either. After looking at what other teams are going to have to expose, it's highly unlikely that the Kings will lose a Greene/Schenn type D to the draft.

Hitting that 20% isn't all that hard either... it's about 18-Gaborik(5)=13M.... and 8F 3D 1G is 12 guys off a 23 man roster... so that's 23-12-Gaborik=10 spots to make 13M. Leaving a D at around 3M Schenn/Greene would make 13M with 10 players exposed pretty easy. Assuming there's a Schenn/Greene making 3M on the defense.

Ducks have Bieksa with NMC so they only have 2 of their D they can protect.
NYI has Boychuck(NMC), so that leaves 2 of Hamonic/Leddy/Haan.

-Lots of teams may be selling off D next year so they don't lose them for nothing. They'll be faced with going into the playoffs with 3D or a solid 4D that may get poached in the off season. The Kings system allows for defenders like Schenn/Greene/Scuderi to play big minuets on the defense. They can go into the playoffs with a solid D and not have to worry too much about their guys getting poached.

-Brown: I think a lot of you guys are underrating the value of Brown around the league. One of the big things teams do is go after guys with the experience of winning a cup. The only 2 teams to do that recently are the Kings/Hawks. I still think there's a couple GM's out there that would take a shot on a 2 time cup winning captain. May not get a great return for him, but he's far from immovable.