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Muzzin is the second best defenseman on this team. Why the hell would he trade him? If it's that big of an issue, why don't we just buy out Brown and use that space? No way.
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Muzzin is the second best defenseman on this team. Why the hell would he trade him? If it's that big of an issue, why don't we just buy out Brown and use that space? No way.
Ollie Weeks
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There are some lineups (possibilities next year) that seem to fit better with Martinez then Muzzin. Bringing in a UFA replacement and adding depth all over will mitigate the loss. Plus if a player like Yandle comes in, who do you play on their off side? Do you move one of Muzzin/Yandle to the 3rd pair?
Mostly if Lombardi goes back to the puck moving D/Shutdown D pairings Muzzin doesn't fit the physical nasty side, and doesn't quite fit the mobile fast side to make up for slower D. Martinez may work better with Schenn for example.
Just comes down to how the D slots together and who's the better fit, and what the possible returns are.
Moving Muzzin leads to about the best scenario next year. Would love to see some other possibilities.
WHOneedsSOX
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Yeah but talent wins and Muzzin >>>> Martinez. There's a reason Martinez has only looked good with Muzzin this season. Hasn't Yandle played on his off-side at points this season?
You really can't do much better than two defensmen of Martinez and Muzzin's caliber at $8M combined. It's not going to take a ton of extra money to bring Lucic back. Replacing a few bottom 6ers with ELC's should do the trick.
It's not going to seem right with Lewis in another uni next year, but GM is going to offer him $3M+. As much as I don't want to see him go, the guy completely deserves it. He's consistently put the team's needs first since he's been here, playing whatever role he's asked.
It's not going to seem right with Lewis in another uni next year, but GM is going to offer him $3M+. As much as I don't want to see him go, the guy completely deserves it. He's consistently put the team's needs first since he's been here, playing whatever role he's asked.
tsanuri
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Yandle is both older than Muzzin and would cost more money.
Muzzin is producing at the nearly the same rate playing in a more defensive system. And is one of the best contracts in the league for a legit number 2 D man.
Moving Muzzin would be one of the worst moves that could be made.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
100% agreed on all fronts, Lewie is getting paid.
The more I think about it the more I get the idea of what Trolfoli is saying but trading muzzin with Brown is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I could also easily see a D core next year, for better or worse, of
Doughty/Scuderi
Muzzin/Martinez
Forbort/Gravel for money savings.
Doughty/Scuderi
Muzzin/Martinez
Forbort/Gravel for money savings.
Sorry. The Crazy may be contagious.
With Lucic/Brown and that D you're looking right around 72M to fill out the roster with guys around 1M. No Lewis, and probably Shore/Dowd as the 3/4C.
Not a lot of defensive depth. Injuries could make that an adventure quickly. Shore/Dowd/Andy as the 3/4C could be passable until the trade deadline.
Depending on where the cap/Lucic end up you may have to cut someone making more then Schenn & Greene.
Even signing someone at $6 to replace Muzzin at $4 you are still freeing up 5.875-1(roster spot)-2M= 3M to be spent elsewhere after a roster spot is filled. That's a depth defender like Schenn or a player like Lewis. When you're looking at a bottom pair of Forbort/Gravel and no depth in case of injury, an extra D starts looking really good.
I could see that as well...Especially if Greene is good to go to be thrown in the mix as a 5/6/7
go4hockey
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agree 100%. Also Muzzin is way way better defensively than Yandle.
go4hockey
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Wheres McNabb. He is young and cheap don't see him going anywhere. Also Dean gave up a good package to get him.
KingsFan7824
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You're saying some other team has either the cap space, or the budget, to take on $10 million in cap space between Brown and Muzzin, and the Kings don't have to take any money back? If they're only getting a good defenseman out of the deal, since Brown is terrible at his contract number, why wouldn't that other team just sign the $6 million defenseman, and not even have to worry about Brown's lack of goals for almost $6 million?
If we're going to play who's on the roster, until shown otherwise, I think we all have to figure on working around Brown's contract.
he's an RFA at the end of the year...what do you think he will get in a new deal?
Is $2M out of the question? I do not think so
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Sorry. The Crazy may be contagious.
With Lucic/Brown and that D you're looking right around 72M to fill out the roster with guys around 1M. No Lewis, and probably Shore/Dowd as the 3/4C.
Not a lot of defensive depth. Injuries could make that an adventure quickly. Shore/Dowd/Andy as the 3/4C could be passable until the trade deadline.
Depending on where the cap/Lucic end up you may have to cut someone making more then Schenn & Greene.
To be honest, I think with teh cap squeeze and many teams in a similar boat, you're going to see a lot of guys have to pull a stempniak or Ehrhoff. I could easily see us bringing a couple of vets to camp and signing them cheap for insurance, a la McBain.
Seems like fans tend to overpay for RFAs. Some were saying King would get $3 million and Pearson would get $2 million. McNabb will get a raise, but I'm guessing a bridge deal around $1.25 million. That would almost double his pay.
If McNabb can find another team willing to pay him $2 million, I think DL will take the 2nd round pick and move on.
Raccoon Jesus
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I still see McNabb as a very good long-term middle-pairing option so I hope it gets worked out cheaply. Agreed on RFAs and now more than ever.
Martyros
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I don't see McNabb getting anything over a million, even if that.
That's assuming it's a one or two year deal, obviously.
Lewis will probably get a 4-4.5 million dollar multi-year deal somewhere.
That's assuming it's a one or two year deal, obviously.
Lewis will probably get a 4-4.5 million dollar multi-year deal somewhere.
if it's a bridge deal than yes $2M is too much...was thinking maybe deal with more term could be around $2M.
I never though King would come close to $3M (at least that I remember), but I think I thought Pearson could get $2M.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I could EASILY see someone offer sheeting McNabb for 2million, though. Let's be real, he's worth that and then some in a vacuum, we just hope RFA status keeps that down by virtue of him not signing one.
WPG just moved Ladd out. They need a top 4 LHD. Now they may have an internal budget, but cap wise picking up Brown wouldn't be an issue for them.
Oilers may move out one of their top end guys like Eberle. A top 6 of Pouliot/Draisaitl/RNH Hall/McNuggets/Brown wouldn't be the end of the world. Brown wouldn't need to provide scoring, just physicality and chaos vet leadership. He'll get points on that line. Oilers have some expiring contracts and looking to add more physicality. If Lucic is off the market Brown is a reclamation project at the top of the list.
You're looking for a young team that needs veteran leadership and has been at the bottom for a while and has high picks they may not care about. May be other teams out there. If they are looking at UFA's Brown's price tag may not be that bad.
Assuming Brown is on the team until proven otherwise is pointless. It leads to a non-playoff team. Either you let Lucic walk and don't replace him with a top 6 forward or you're running Scuderi/Doughty, Muzzin/Schenn, McNabb/Gravel. Doesn't look great on D. Also Shore/Dowd as Lewis, Lecavalier are gone.
Yup... cap squeeze... lots of teams will look at patching stuff. It would be a good opportunity to take a shot when lots of the better teams are being squeezed by the cap. Make the hard choice cut salary, get under the cap, ice the most competitive team you can instead of patching holes.
Scuderi/Doughty
Muzzin/Martinez
McNabb/Gravel
Knowing what Lombardi's done in the past with the defense, I don't see him being happy with that. Could be as good as it gets though. If Lombardi goes into build for the future mode (5 year plan vs Duct tape) restructuring the D wouldn't be a shock.
Anyone remember what Todd McLellan had to say about Muzzin after coaching at the IIHF last year?
Ollie Weeks
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If Muzzin and Martinez got around 1 million on their middling deals, I don't expect much more for McNabb. There's a precedent that's been set.
KingsFan7824
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They're going to have Byfuglien at $7.6m, Enstrom at almost $6m, Myers at $5.5m, whatever Trouba is going to get, and Muzzin at $4m, and make Brown their highest paid forward?
Who are they trading Eberle for? I doubt they're dumping him for a pick. That would be money coming back their way.
Brown as a free agent, and signing for $1.5 million, that's a reclamation project. Brown with 50% retained, that might be a reclamation project. Brown at his full contract for the next century isn't what I would define as a reclamation project.
I'd say assuming Brown is on the team until he's not is the way to go, because that's the only known that we know. We're all how many steps removed from NHL GM's? We're just guessing. Even in our abstract ideas, you have to add Muzzin just to get rid of him. I would doubt any team anywhere is going to take on $10m in cap space, more than half being Brown, and give the Kings no money back. If Muzzin can be a throw in, why is the other team taking him in order to take Brown's contract? Why wouldn't they just say they want Muzzin, and how about you just keep Brown over there? Or ok, we'll take the $10m in cap space, but you have to take some of our crap back? I think you're making it too easy for the Kings. Get rid of Brown's contract by trading him with Muzzin, but replace Muzzin with a vet, and still have plenty of space to add another guy or two. That seems like too good of a scenario.
There's no realistic way the Kings go into next season with a perfect roster. They're not going to cover every base.
