WJC: 2015 — Sweden Roster Talk

[Territory]

The guy (Nylander) could benefit from having better players around him (NHL) but it was obvious he was not a player a few months ago.

But maybe if he gets Lindblom as a winger!?

He should stay and win a few WC and be named best player outside the NHL before he joins.

The 96 bunch is the best we've had for a while.

I don't think it was obvious. He was good enough to play on the Leafs.

Management just didn't feel like they needed to rush him, and getting him away from the spotlight in Toronto is probably the best thing for him.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Is Blidh okay? We need him.

 

[Minty Cowboy]

Does anyone think Alex Nylander could make next year's team?

 

[JimboA]

Is Blidh okay? We need him.

He told Chris Härenstam that he will play tomorrow.

 

[VictorLustig]

Does anyone think Alex Nylander could make next year's team?

Yes. He's probably the only 98-born player that could make it.

 

[ulvvf]

This is ridiculous, so Aho sucks now? Because of what? One shoot get blocked? Ehh, I hardly think you will be very consistent in that.

On top of that Hägg apparently was great? Both Hägg and Aho was just as good/bad as they have been before. The only reason I can see why you think differently all the suddenly is because of what the commentary put their focus on.
Hägg has been ok and solid the whole tournament, but he hasn't stand out directly, which you could have expect since he is a 95 and is really close to NHL.

Aho was just as good in the game against finland as he been before. You know that a game is more than 2 sequences? Plus getting a shoot block is hardly a big mistake. The other so called mistake was on offensive blue line with ALL swedish player behind the puck. Pretty much all other d-men did bigger mistake than this.

The only d-men that was overall bad defensivly was Forsling, but he on other hand produce on the offensive, so can not really complain there either.

 

[TheTwelfth]

This is ridiculous, so Aho sucks now? Because of what? One shoot get blocked? Ehh, I hardly think you will be very consistent in that.

On top of that Hägg apparently was great? Both Hägg and Aho was just as good/bad as they have been before. The only reason I can see why you think differently all the suddenly is because of what the commentary put their focus on.
Hägg has been ok and solid the whole tournament, but he hasn't stand out directly, which you could have expect since he is a 95 and is really close to NHL.

Aho was just as good in the game against finland as he been before. You know that a game is more than 2 sequences? Plus getting a shoot block is hardly a big mistake. The other so called mistake was on offensive blue line with ALL swedish player behind the puck. Pretty much all other d-men did bigger mistake than this.

The only d-men that was overall bad defensivly was Forsling, but he on other hand produce on the offensive, so can not really complain there either.

No one said Aho sucks, we all said he had a bad game against Finland. Just as Hägg had a good game. It does nothing to taint Aho's earlier play in this tournament. As so happened, Englund came in and played great, which kept Aho on the bench.

Oh, and getting a shot blocked like Aho did is a big misstake at this level. You don't take the shot if it can lead to a block and counter attack like that. Dump it in the corner if nothing else can be done.

 

[ulvvf]

Does anyone think Alex Nylander could make next year's team?

Very slim chance of that, 96 has tons of good players, much more deeper than 95, and to add to that there also lots of 97 gems. So a 98 have to be really good for his age to make that team, and Alex do not seem after all to be as big talent as his brother, and he didnt even make the team at that age. So I wouldnt count with it, but who knows.

If they pick a 98 I guess it would be a energy player.

But you could see Asplund and Grundström as almost 98, so that is the closet I think we will get to a 98 next year.

 

[stenis22]

No one said Aho sucks, we all said he had a bad game against Finland. Just as Hägg had a good game. It does nothing to taint Aho's earlier play in this tournament. As so happened, Englund came in and played great, which kept Aho on the bench.

Oh, and getting a shot blocked like Aho did is a big misstake at this level. You don't take the shot if it can lead to a block and counter attack like that. Dump it in the corner if nothing else can be done.

My issue is not as much with shot block as it is with the way he played Kapanen on the back check in the situation following it

 

[ulvvf]

No one said Aho sucks, we all said he had a bad game against Finland. Just as Hägg had a good game. It does nothing to taint Aho's earlier play in this tournament. As so happened, Englund came in and played great, which kept Aho on the bench.

Oh, and getting a shot blocked like Aho did is a big misstake at this level. You don't take the shot if it can lead to a block and counter attack like that. Dump it in the corner if nothing else can be done.

Put it in the corner? If anything he should have hold the puck a little bit longer. I think you should rewatch that sequence. He was in a good shooting position, sometimes it happens that the shoot get blocked. It was maybe a small mistake, but hardly such a big mistake so it should have any big impact to the overall preformance.

But ok, let say that it was 2 big mistake, can you mention any other bad things he did? It was pretty much the only 2 bad things he did in that game. I certantly can mention a lot of good things he did in that game, far more than 2.

If you are going to say that a player is bad just because 2 small mistake like Aho did, then you pretty much have to say that all players always do bad a game all the time. The result of the mistake is more unlucky than anything else. Most often do not this kind of "mistake" result in goals.

For a example just before Ahos blocked shoot, Bergman did a wrong pass to one of the finish players in our own zone. I consider that to be a far bigger mistake than Aho so called mistake combine, but do you see people complaining about Bergman because of that?

 

[lawrence]

Any Swedish fans out there can answer me? Gustav forsling, ranked by scouts as one of the best offence dmans in the draft , but falls to the 5th round, currently has 8 points in 5 games to lead all dmans in tourney.......

Why the drop to the 5th round?

 

[zeke]

The guy (Nylander) could benefit from having better players around him (NHL) but it was obvious he was not a player a few months ago.

He clearly deserved to make the leafs based on preseason play.

 

[VictorLustig]

Any Swedish fans out there can answer me? Gustav forsling, ranked by scouts as one of the best offence dmans in the draft , but falls to the 5th round, currently has 8 points in 5 games to lead all dmans in tourney.......

Why the drop to the 5th round?

He was never considered as one of the best offensive D in the draft. He has a very good shot, nothing else really stands out.

 

[ulvvf]

My issue is not as much with shot block as it is with the way he played Kapanen on the back check in the situation following it

Hmm, didnt Ikonen scored that goal, I think you are referring to the 3-3 goal?

 

[DadBod]

Any Swedish fans out there can answer me? Gustav forsling, ranked by scouts as one of the best offence dmans in the draft , but falls to the 5th round, currently has 8 points in 5 games to lead all dmans in tourney.......

Why the drop to the 5th round?

I don't watch Forsling play in Sweden but as far as I can tell he still needs work in his own end, he's on the smaller size for an NHL defenseman, he doesn't have blazing speed.


Those would be the negatives of course, and there's a lot of positives in his game as well. First and foremost, his offensive awareness and shot.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I don't watch Forsling play in Sweden but as far as I can tell he still needs work in his own end, he's on the smaller size for an NHL defenseman, he doesn't have blazing speed.


Those would be the negatives of course, and there's a lot of positives in his game as well. First and foremost, his offensive awareness and shot.

Definitely lots of potential. Before the tourney his coach singled him out as a player he was going to lean heavily on to play big minutes. And he's had a great tournament so far.

 

[Prntscrn]

Okey so for next year more skill and speed please

 

[TheTwelfth]

Put it in the corner? If anything he should have hold the puck a little bit longer. I think you should rewatch that sequence. He was in a good shooting position, sometimes it happens that the shoot get blocked. It was maybe a small mistake, but hardly such a big mistake so it should have any big impact to the overall preformance.

But ok, let say that it was 2 big mistake, can you mention any other bad things he did? It was pretty much the only 2 bad things he did in that game. I certantly can mention a lot of good things he did in that game, far more than 2.

If you are going to say that a player is bad just because 2 small mistake like Aho did, then you pretty much have to say that all players always do bad a game all the time. The result of the mistake is more unlucky than anything else. Most often do not this kind of "mistake" result in goals.

For a example just before Ahos blocked shoot, Bergman did a wrong pass to one of the finish players in our own zone. I consider that to be a far bigger mistake than Aho so called mistake combine, but do you see people complaining about Bergman because of that?

I didn't say Aho was bad, I said he had a bad game, losing pucks and battles in his own zone, and misstakes on two of the goals scored. It wasn't his game, and Englund played great, thus giving the latter ice time in the third.

Sweden should be much better next year. Everyone talked about how young the US team was, but how many -95 borns were there in the Swedish squad? De la Rose, Wallmark, Hägg and Norrell. Lots of returnees next year, Kylington should be on this team as well. Should be a great team. Could see Nylander being sent to the WJC still.

 

[Spinkis]

Okey so for next year more skill and speed please

Well it was said from the beginning that this year was a in the middle year(mellanår?), I was surprised that we made it as far as we did to be honest. Lot's of guys will come back next year.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

delete

 

[joe89]

Okey so for next year more skill and speed please

Speed and skill was okay. You need to be more ferocious than we were yesterday. We played with the same intensity all through the tournament really, when it matters you have to find another gear. That's okay, more than half the team can return next year and got an invaluable lesson.

But let's grab bronze first, that makes a heck of a difference for how this team should be graded.

 

[VictorLustig]

Lack of speed was definitely going to be an issue when the games got tighter. Nylander was our only player capable of beating guys on the outside. You need guys with energy like Victor Arvidsson or Eric Thorell instead of Brodecki & Olofsson who looked very small & slow at times.

I didn't think this team would get very far, grabbing a bronze would be a great.

 

[nwaZ*]

So Nylander is going to be what his father was?

 

[Bill Waters*]

So Nylander is going to be what his father was?

What we all fear becoming?

 

[MrStench]

What we all fear becoming?

900+ NHL games and 650+ NHL points is no one's worst case scenario. The player W. Nylander most reminds me of is (prime) Alexander Semin. People'd probably take that as a negative comment now, but Semin, in his prime, was a formidable player. Speaking in terms of style, he's who I see when I watch Nylander. The supreme confidence that borders on arrogance with the puck, the kind of it-doesn't-count-if-you-have-to-try-too-hard air about his game, and the sneaky stick work on the forecheck.