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I am the Liquor said:
Right. Like the first Russian goal? Your Tkachev smear campaign is laughable.
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Jeeez, you ppl are so in love with guys your journalists or whoever tells you to be in love with. Critisizing a weakness in a player's game is a "smearing campaign"? Get real... please. Oh btw, I've watched some games with Tkachev in my time. You are pinning it to one goal? okay. I think it's you on some Tkachev-is-God-campaign. There is no player in the world who is perfect. I'd want every single one of them on team Russia to be perfect, but they are not.
 
Atas2000 said:
Jeeez, you ppl are so in love with guys your journalists or whoever tells you to be in love with. Critisizing a weakness in a player's game is a "smearing campaign"? Get real... please. Oh btw, I've watched some games with Tkachev in my time. You are pinning it to one goal? okay. I think it's you on some Tkachev-is-God-campaign. There is no player in the world who is perfect. I'd want every single one of them on team Russia to be perfect, but they are not.
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You sir no nothing about me or who I have or havent watched. Youve been underselling him on here since this thread has started, and your "needs to learn to use his teammates" more is nothing but pure nonsense.

He is a great playmaker with good vision, anticipation and a great set of hands. Ive seen him live a few times so you can stow your "you people" garbage.

The example I gave was just one where he "used" his teammates very well. Ive seen many more examples.

Quite frankly it was an odd and inaccurate characterization of his game.
 
Pgust said:
When did Russia arrive? Did they look tired out there yesterday?
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I think Red Army had something like 8 or 9 shots against the Habs in the New Year's eve game years ago. I think its just a contrast of styles more than anything. They didnt get run out of the rink by any means imo.

If there were IIHF officials working the game they would have had three or four more pp's easy.
 
I am the Liquor said:
You sir no nothing about me or who I have or havent watched. Youve been underselling him on here since this thread has started, and your "needs to learn to use his teammates" more is nothing but pure nonsense.

He is a great playmaker with good vision, anticipation and a great set of hands. Ive seen him live a few times so you can stow your "you people" garbage.

The example I gave was just one where he "used" his teammates very well. Ive seen many more examples.

Quite frankly it was an odd and inaccurate characterization of his game.
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I'm fine with you having an opinion. You're obviously not fine with me having one. I'm fine with that too.
 
we are speaking about tkachev? hmm, every time i watched him he looked underwhelming. one nice play per game doesn't make him a good player and he's built like a reed. if he makes the team, that'll be a big mistake. and what about golyshev? how did he look? we have anothe tkachev on our hands or there's some hope for him still?
 
Atas2000 said:
I'm fine with you having an opinion. You're obviously not fine with me having one. I'm fine with that too.
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Im questioning your characterization of player, complete with examples (or at least one example) refuting it.

Somehow that's me not being fine with you having an opinion.

Nobody question anything.

Shut the board down.
 
kp61c said:
we are speaking about tkachev? hmm, every time i watched him he looked underwhelming. one nice play per game doesn't make him a good player and he's built like a reed. if he makes the team, that'll be a big mistake
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His line, and mostly him, were driving the puck offensively more than anyone else tbh. Tolchinsky showed well I thought. He is small, tiny in fact, but he is smart, and very shifty. If you think the Russians have enough offense without him, (didnt seem like it to me) then maybe cutting him would be the right thing to do. I really dont think it would be tbh.
 
I am the Liquor said:
His line, and mostly him, were driving the puck offensively more than anyone else tbh. Tolchinsky showed well I thought. He is small, tiny in fact, but he is smart, and very shifty. If you think the Russians have enough offense without him, (didnt seem like it to me) then maybe cutting him would be the right thing to do. I really dont think it would be tbh.
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thx, that doesn't sound good. time to get worried
 
wings5 said:
If you think Russia outplayed Canada regardless of shot totals you must have been watching another game. In terms of zone time Canada clearly had more, the reason they lost was poor finishing and suspect goaltending. It seems you really have a deep hatred for Canada not going to ask your reasons be they good or stupid but in terms of junior Canada seems to have a bit of goaltending trouble. Believe what you may about the best junior system, the Canadian system is made to out players in the NHL for them to excel which is what they're doing. I love how won game gives you the feeling to critique other Nations entire development system.
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You know there is that Italian proverb: the most beautiful thing in football is a score on the scoreboard. I think you can say the same about hockey. Who cares about pressure, shots and amount of time teams spent in each zone. The only thing that matters is who won.
 
Kshahdoo said:
You know there is that Italian proverb: the most beautiful thing in football is a score on the scoreboard. I think you can say the same about hockey. Who cares about pressure, shots and amount of time teams spent in each zone. The only thing that matters is who won.
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that's a bit short-sighted. we can't expect our goalies work miracles every single game, can we?
to say nothing of the aesthetic aspect, watching us being dominated is like toiling in some mine. that's a pretty thankless task, if i may say so
 
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Atas2000 said:
I don't see green in. you don't see black in(mindboggling to me. how are they not in?). Go figure.

If Gavrikov, Paygin and Golyshev are cut I'm not watching the tournament. Yes, I'm serious.
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I wrote only about the forwards. Defs is more unpredictable for me.
Gavrikov is a lock, Paigin likely will be in the final roster.
 
Gonna be hard not having Sorokin as your #1 goaltender now? We'll see what the other guy can do in the other game..
 
Atas2000 said:
Where did I write Russia outplayed Canada? On the scoreboard though Russia has won. It is at least an indication that Canada for all it's statistics dominance wasn't clearly better. I also don't see how canadian goaltending was suspect. I see at as looking for excuses. And the lack of finish doesn't happen without "help" from the other team too.

You have to realize critisizm(and there wasn't any in my post towards the canadian team. they gave it an honest effort and did what the coaches told them to do) has nothing to do with emotions like hatred. You just go through the boards here and you will realize there is a lot of arrogance by many canadian posters. You can go to the prediction thread where they'd just claim Canada is sooo superior this year and will win it easily. I haven't seen any fan of any other team here claim their team would win it just like that. I faced it so many times by so many Canadains. And from what I've seen here other fans from Sweden, US wherever often face the same attitude. Of course not all Canadians are like that, but there are more than some. And that means when the score is on the board and Canada has lost a game those ppl who claimed Canada would take the World by storm look silly. Canada is Hockeycountry so it's probably tough for some Canadians to accept others not only can catch up to them, but also surpass them.

If we're talking juniors development right now I seriously think US and Sweden have done just that. Canada still produces the quantity, but in things of quality the canadian system has serious troubles. And the goaltending trouble is definitely an indication. And how can you deny the recent WJC results? This has nothing to do with one game.

As for this game, yes I see the old school canadian hockey of throwing pucks to the net as outdated. And I've seen canadian teams play a different, more sophisticated hockey. We are in an era where a fusion of NA hockey with european hockey is driving the good things in regard of strategy and tactics. Sticking to one half of it is not a good thing in my book. This is what the WJC Canada squad's coaching staff is doing in my opinion. If that's a sign of hatred towards them on my part to say so, I can't change it.

edit: I mostly was amused about the anouncers. they are really something... like every year.
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Well Canada is a decent sized country with a large percentage of hockey fans so you're bound to find as many idiots as smart fanatics. Those who think they will win without much competition know nothing of international hockey at the junior level but I havn't seen as much chest thumping arrogance as you are claiming. Also it is your opinion that other country has caught up at the junior level but junior level is exactly what it is, for juniors. Many European teams play together from age 15 or earlier there is many similarities with the style they play so even the ones who haven't played together seem to be able to gel decently well. Majority of the Americans have played together with the NTDP or USA youth camps where they were pretty much instructed with the same philosophies. Chemistry is a big factor at the youth level same with goal-tending that can't be denied but when it comes to post junior career many Canadians who looked poor in the WJC or didn't make the team become NHL stars which is the point. Our victories in the WJC over the years were mostly due to outcoaching, clutch goaltending performances and some luck. Our recent losses have mainly been due to the opposite.
 
I am the Liquor said:
His line, and mostly him, were driving the puck offensively more than anyone else tbh. Tolchinsky showed well I thought. He is small, tiny in fact, but he is smart, and very shifty. If you think the Russians have enough offense without him, (didnt seem like it to me) then maybe cutting him would be the right thing to do. I really dont think it would be tbh.
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Russia sat out 8 players last night. That's almost 2 lines worth. I'm pretty certain guys like Buchnevich & Barbashev will infuse a massive amount of offense compared to what was shown.

Plus, Russia probably would have gotten a few more powerplays with international refs.
 
I am the Liquor said:
You sir no nothing about me or who I have or havent watched. Youve been underselling him on here since this thread has started, and your "needs to learn to use his teammates" more is nothing but pure nonsense.

He is a great playmaker with good vision, anticipation and a great set of hands. Ive seen him live a few times so you can stow your "you people" garbage.

The example I gave was just one where he "used" his teammates very well. Ive seen many more examples.

Quite frankly it was an odd and inaccurate characterization of his game.
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I agree with you guy. Rather than spew a huge rant campaign for the guy -I will say this, Tkachev is a god!
 
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