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Atas2000 said:
Whatfor? It's exhibition. The game wasn't terrible at all. It's what was expected. Canadians shooting, our guys counter-attacking. It worked for us. Also no reason to risk anything even before the tournament stars.
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Atlas, this was not the usual russian game. We barely had any chances and could not generate much. Poor passing with Canada playing mostly in our zone. We got really lucky today. I trust Bragin to make adjustments.

Poorly executed counter attacks all game long. It's like they were scared of canadian back pressure.
 
Atas2000 said:
You missed the best part. Especially the canadian anouncers at first drooling over the amount of shots(always funny how this belief survives in NA) then finally realizing shots won't win them the game and getting really scared and talking how one shot may cost them the tournament. Well it did cost them the exhibition game. No big deal of course. But this canadian team did play some outdated NA hockey all game. Big guys pushing and shooting and shooting and putting pucks on net from every position... to no avail. I'm looking forward to US outplaying them in the group after reading the other thread where some Canadians got really touchy when told the US development system by now surpassed the canadian one. Something I believe too. Right now US and Sweden have the best junior systems. Too bad we're not playing one of the exhibitiong games against one of them.
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If you think Russia outplayed Canada regardless of shot totals you must have been watching another game. In terms of zone time Canada clearly had more, the reason they lost was poor finishing and suspect goaltending. It seems you really have a deep hatred for Canada not going to ask your reasons be they good or stupid but in terms of junior Canada seems to have a bit of goaltending trouble. Believe what you may about the best junior system, the Canadian system is made to out players in the NHL for them to excel which is what they're doing. I love how won game gives you the feeling to critique other Nations entire development system.
 
First Blood said:
Atas who do you personally think is better since you probably follow them closer then me? I am only pulling for Sorokin because he is Islander spec
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Shesterkin is just as good. They have a different path, that's why I think a lot of ppl have a hard time comparing them. Shesterkin is a MHL star backstopping his team to the finals twice and winning it once. He has less experience on KHL level, while Sorokin being on a bad team in the KHL was thrown into the fire and survived so to speak. They are very very even from the talent standpoint. Both very composed, both athletic. Sorokin is more of a Bobrovsky, Shesterkin is more of a Varlamov with his aggressive style and recovery. A tough choice really.
 
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Bure said:
Atlas, this was not the usual russian game. We barely had any chances and could not generate much. Poor passing with Canada playing mostly in our zone. We got really lucky today. I trust Bragin to make adjustments.

Poorly executed counter attacks all game long. It's like they were scared of canadian back pressure.
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The counter attacks they generated were good. There were too few - yes. Again it's the exhibition with both teams without their arguably best players. I see no reason to panic and I don't see exhibition games as a perfect display of things to come. They learned alot about the canadian game. Bragin will know what to tweak.

There is no such thing like the "usual russian game". What you see as such is dominating with great combinational hockey. It doesn't work just like that. Nobody says we have a superior team that should blow everyboy away. Others are also here to play the game.
 
Atas2000 said:
The counter attacks they generated were good. There were too few - yes. Again it's the exhibition with both teams without their arguably best players. I see no reason to panic and I don't see exhibition games as a perfect display of things to come. They learned alot about the canadian game. Bragin will know what to tweak.

There is no such thing like the "usual russian game". What you see as such is dominating with great combinational hockey. It doesn't work just like that. Nobody says we have a superior team that should blow everyboy away. Others are also here to play the game.
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If we play passive like we did today there is no chance of even reaching a medal. At the same time I think with the addition of 2 key players and making a few cuts plus Bragin making adjustments we will be fine. I'm just saying it was a poor effort from us today. Canada looked very strong but as usual lets teams stick around and loses due to suspect goaltending.
 
wings5 said:
If you think Russia outplayed Canada regardless of shot totals you must have been watching another game. In terms of zone time Canada clearly had more, the reason they lost was poor finishing and suspect goaltending. It seems you really have a deep hatred for Canada not going to ask your reasons be they good or stupid but in terms of junior Canada seems to have a bit of goaltending trouble. Believe what you may about the best junior system, the Canadian system is made to out players in the NHL for them to excel which is what they're doing. I love how won game gives you the feeling to critique other Nations entire development system.
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Where did I write Russia outplayed Canada? On the scoreboard though Russia has won. It is at least an indication that Canada for all it's statistics dominance wasn't clearly better. I also don't see how canadian goaltending was suspect. I see at as looking for excuses. And the lack of finish doesn't happen without "help" from the other team too.

You have to realize critisizm(and there wasn't any in my post towards the canadian team. they gave it an honest effort and did what the coaches told them to do) has nothing to do with emotions like hatred. You just go through the boards here and you will realize there is a lot of arrogance by many canadian posters. You can go to the prediction thread where they'd just claim Canada is sooo superior this year and will win it easily. I haven't seen any fan of any other team here claim their team would win it just like that. I faced it so many times by so many Canadains. And from what I've seen here other fans from Sweden, US wherever often face the same attitude. Of course not all Canadians are like that, but there are more than some. And that means when the score is on the board and Canada has lost a game those ppl who claimed Canada would take the World by storm look silly. Canada is Hockeycountry so it's probably tough for some Canadians to accept others not only can catch up to them, but also surpass them.

If we're talking juniors development right now I seriously think US and Sweden have done just that. Canada still produces the quantity, but in things of quality the canadian system has serious troubles. And the goaltending trouble is definitely an indication. And how can you deny the recent WJC results? This has nothing to do with one game.

As for this game, yes I see the old school canadian hockey of throwing pucks to the net as outdated. And I've seen canadian teams play a different, more sophisticated hockey. We are in an era where a fusion of NA hockey with european hockey is driving the good things in regard of strategy and tactics. Sticking to one half of it is not a good thing in my book. This is what the WJC Canada squad's coaching staff is doing in my opinion. If that's a sign of hatred towards them on my part to say so, I can't change it.

edit: I mostly was amused about the anouncers. they are really something... like every year.
 
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Bure said:
If we play passive like we did today there is no chance of even reaching a medal. At the same time I think with the addition of 2 key players and making a few cuts plus Bragin making adjustments we will be fine. I'm just saying it was a poor effort from us today. Canada looked very strong but as usual lets teams stick around and loses due to suspect goaltending.
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Again, I don't think canadian goaltending was bad. And I never call a won game a poor effort. It wasn't perfect, outstanding or even very good. There are things to work on. But they don't look hopeless to me.
 
Atas2000 said:
Again, I don't think canadian goaltending was bad. And I never call a won game a poor effort. It wasn't perfect, outstanding or even very good. There are things to work on. But they don't look hopeless to me.
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Good news is it's only an exhibition game and I don't think this result is an indication of either team's performance. A lot will change by the time elimination games come around.
 
So Russia pulled "Buffalo" today. :sarcasm:

Bad for them that happened in a exhibition game.

Glad that I unignored Atas. He is so delusional, its actually entertaining to read his posts. ;)
 
Pre-competition Games mean absolutely nothing. I remember one year, Canada played Czechs in a pre-comp and it was very close with Canada winning by one goal. I thought, oh, Czechs must have a half decent team this year.. And then... They played Canada in the REAL tournament and voila! Canada wins something like 8-1. Just crushed them. and I think they went on to win the Gold that year.
So lets all just chill and wait for the real tournament to prove whos better than who.
 
Atas2000 said:
Shesterkin is just as good. They have a different path, that's why I think a lot of ppl have a hard time comparing them. Shesterkin is a MHL star backstopping his team to the finals twice and winning it once. He has less experience on KHL level, while Sorokin being on a bad team in the KHL was thrown into the fire and survived so to speak. They are very very even from the talent standpoint. Both very composed, both athletic. Sorokin is more of a Bobrovsky, Shesterkin is more of a Varlamov with his aggressive style and recovery. A tough choice really.
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Atas, from the tape I have seen from Sorokin he looks more like a Quick to me in net.
 
RobertR said:
So Russia pulled "Buffalo" today. :sarcasm:

Bad for them that happened in a exhibition game.

Glad that I unignored Atas. He is so delusional, its actually entertaining to read his posts. ;)
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If only your post would be entertaining... or informative... or unbiased. Love ppl who can't argue their point and just slide to personal attacks. Never change, our biased latvian friend.
 
First Blood said:
Atas, from the tape I have seen from Sorokin he looks more like a Quick to me in net.
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I was using firstly russian analogies and then Sorokin is in Novokuznetsk, which makes the Bobrovsky comparisons nearly inevitable.(Also should Sorokin learn how to dislodge the net in critical situation from Quick?:sarcasm:)

Whatever it is, I think in the end every goalie is unique and there is no queston about Sorokin being a top prospect. If the Isles get their future starter say after the Halak tenure, good for them. I'm following the Isles closely this season for obvious reasons. They can go far if they just keep building on the little things going right right now. I wish you a good playoff run, guys.
 
czechcanadian said:
Pre-competition Games mean absolutely nothing. I remember one year, Canada played Czechs in a pre-comp and it was very close with Canada winning by one goal. I thought, oh, Czechs must have a half decent team this year.. And then... They played Canada in the REAL tournament and voila! Canada wins something like 8-1. Just crushed them. and I think they went on to win the Gold that year.
So lets all just chill and wait for the real tournament to prove whos better than who.
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yep, there is more eager expectations by people who can't wait for the real tournament to start than anything in the reactions. That's why I don't get why ppl are picking on canadian goaltending or Russia giving up too many shots. The first game of the tournament is the game that matters. there will be diffrent rosters, attitudes, matchups. We are all just a liitle bit starving for it to start already.
 
Was Russia playing well physically or were they at times manhandled? Could not watch the game.

The other aspect that concerns me is the puck movement by defensemen. This needs to work in order for them to win gold. Which is why not having Zadorov there hurts.
 
Fantomas said:
Was Russia playing well physically or were they at times manhandled? Could not watch the game.

The other aspect that concerns me is the puck movement by defensemen. This needs to work in order for them to win gold. Which is why not having Zadorov there hurts.
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They were pretty much physically manhandled, but battled hard and stood up for each other. Manhandled is probably too strong of a word, but they were physically over-matched.
 
Fantomas said:
Was Russia playing well physically or were they at times manhandled? Could not watch the game.

The other aspect that concerns me is the puck movement by defensemen. This needs to work in order for them to win gold. Which is why not having Zadorov there hurts.
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To me it looked like there was clear order to avoid taking penalties, so the kids were at times way to careful. Size was an issue as well as the absence of two of the top D-men. Closer to the end they got more comfortable and started hitting, so I don't see it as a major issue. Obviously a guy who'd sit in the box more than one time would see his chances to make the final roster diminish significantly. Other than that Team Canada was driving an old school canadian game driven by tall heavy guys. That was a good taste for the guys. Now they know what kind of physicality they are going to face in the tournament. The good thing I haven't seen anyone give up under pressure. They ultimately did their job. And while Sorokin was terrific it wasn't like the D hasn't done anything good in this game.
 
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