Speculation: 2014 Trade Deadline Discussion - Part IX - The Buffalo Syndrome

[MrBurghundy]

A guy like Goc could likely be had for a third or fourth rounder next year and a prospect down on the depth chart. It's very doable.

Well the rumors are we are trading away that pick so try again.

 

[Waffle Fries]

So Rossi says there might be another Canucks or Pens player in the deal. What about Kassian? I'd add Bennett for that.

This is also ****ing terrible.

 

[mpp9]

it makes it harder because we'd have given up most of our expendable assets in the trade.

I didn't know we were talking about trading Despres or DP for Hemsky.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I didn't know we were talking about trading Despres or DP for Hemsky.

no, we're talking about trading them for a 3rd line center instead.

 

[Michael8771*]

Hope is one thing, praying for a miracle is another thing entirely!

Kesler is a DB type of player though, and we know how he plays guys of that nature. If Kesler comes in and plays well with Sid I think in most instances he'll keep him there. Kesler may see SOME third line duty but I think his place will largely be with Sid.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The same coach that moved Malkin to wing at times to allow Staal in the top 6?

Kesler will get his minutes. And get an offensive role here. DB isn't my favorite, but I'm sure he sees the gaping hole on Sid's RW. Kesler will get his shifts there.

Wait, are you saying this as a positive?

 

[MrBurghundy]

Wait, are you saying this as a positive?

Probably.

 

[Michael8771*]

Well the rumors are we are trading away that pick so try again.

Next years? No, we should still have that pick.

 

[#66]

Kassian would end up looking like Tangradi with the Pens. No way to that.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So you believe the Penguins would trade their 3C for Kesler and not use Kesler at 3C?

I brought this up before, but the reason I keep bringing up Winchester is because he is a natural center. The guy is good defensively, tenacious, fast, is 55% on his career FOs, and he is versatile (played second line LW the other night).

If BB comes back healthy, that is a huge upgrade over the comical third line they are putting out now.

Kunitz Crosby Kesler
JJ Malkin Neal
BB Winchester X

As usual, the fourth line doesn't matter because DB will keep Glass and Adams there (if we are lucky). Sadly this line could be an asset with true energy players there like Z and Megna, but we all know DB, out of sheer stupidity/stubbornness will trot out the slowest, most ineffective fourth line of all the playoff teams.

 

[UnrealMachine]

It's quite sad that the Pens are so dependent upon the trade deadline almost every year. They are in a worse position than they were last season, so it has the possibility to get quite ugly.

As for Kesler, since the 2010-2011 season he has gotten ~38% of his points via the PP. Considering there is really no room on the #1 unit, the Pens will not be getting the full value of his services (or will lose those services of another player on the #1 unit). This would be a very desperate and expensive move. If the Pens are willing to pay that high of a price, I would much rather they go after Evander Kane (even if the price is higher).

 

[AgentM]

Kesler is a DB type of player though, and we know how he plays guys of that nature. If Kesler comes in and plays well with Sid I think in most instances he'll keep him there. Kesler may see SOME third line duty but I think his place will largely be with Sid.

I agree that Kesler is a DB type of player and I think he is pretty Bylsma-proof in that he would be useful here regardless of how Bylsma uses him. I'd love to have him here as a RW but am just frustrated for Sid if he's here to be a 3C like most everybody else here.

 

[PensPlz]

Lets go all in two years in a row. Nothing good ever came from drafting. The draft is over rated.

Get Kesler and Hemsky.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

When Jesse Winchester becomes a THIRD-line upgrade, you know you've sunk to new depths of suckitude. I'm not saying he wouldn't actually upgrade the third line. I'm saying we're not winning jack this season.

 

[JTG]

this is just on TSN....

The Pittsburgh Penguins are reportedly ponying up in their efforts to lure Ryan Kesler out of Vancouver.

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported a proposed deal between the Pens and Canucks that he credited to multiple sources.

“A proposed deal would send Kesler to the Penguins in exchange for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks — likely a first- and third-round — and the Canucks' choice of defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin,†Rossi wrote on Saturday.

Rossi continued to say that it is possible the deal could involve another player going in either direction, but that Penguins' GM Ray Shero was only looking to acquire Kesler.

if this trade goes ahead im going to puke........

That's a lot.

So you believe the Penguins would trade their 3C for Kesler and not use Kesler at 3C?

Who is to say that Jokinen doesn't take that spot? Who is to say another deal isn't made? We don't know. And there are worse things that could happen than playing a Selke winning center behind the two best centers in the league.

I wouldn't freak out about it.

 

[MrBurghundy]

Next years? No, we should still have that pick.

In a deep draft class for a rental? Great idea. Pretty easily outbid too.

 

[SidDidNothingWrong]

we don't have not-crap available.

lol a very poignant fact. That hits home Ogrezilla. But I am sure we could include Orpik or someone we want to get rid of(as was mentioned earlier by someone else) and get another winger included in the trade to help strengthen the third line.

 

[Darth Vitale]

I'd rather trade for Stewart than Kesler considering the likely costs of each.

I don't think the costs for Stewart would be that much different. Buffalo isn't just going to ship him off for a draft pick. I'd MUCH rather have Kesler on this team that Stewart, even if he cost us an extra pick and prosect. He is so much better and more reliable than Stewart it's not funny.

I'd be OK with trading for Stewart too (in general) as he'd improve our 3rd line's offensive capabilities and probably get a few shifts with Sid too, but if it's one or the other you pay more for Kesler 10 times out of 10 unless the price involves someone like Maatta or Kunitz (which just creates another hole).

Ah... the ever-reliable patented Rob Rossi "multiple sources."

And if that's truly the kind of offer they are tabling... I hope you guys are right about Kesler's near-superhuman ability. Because that's quite a lot... especially in context of what the Penguins have to offer.

Being from Australia im going to assume Rob Rossi isnt exactly reliable?

You have to consider their source.

He's ignorant, he's stupid, he's arrogant, he's sensationalist, and he's downright unprofessional. The only thing more infuriating than his incompetence is the fact that national (and Canadian) news media lend him credibility.

I wish TSN would consider THEIR source. This really puts a black mark on their reliability in some respects. Obviously they're not checking Rossi's comments before publishing them or they'd say something like "with sources we confirmed". Sad.

 

[NatureBoy]

It still could be done! Yes, we all know that there is not a lot of Cap space and yes, it will be hard to adress all the needs but don´t forget: Guys like Hemsky or Goc won´t cost nearly as much as guys like Vanek, Cammaleri and Moulson.

If you can get a guy like Kesler, you have to do it. He would be under contract for 2 more years, it´s not like he is a rental UFA. The price to pay will be heavy, no doubt. But to get a guy like that, you have to give something up.

 

[gordie]

Throw in Orpik instead of Draft Picks. At this point both Samuelsson or Harrington could give them more on D then does Orpik.

 

[IcedCapp]

Who is to say that Jokinen doesn't take that spot? Who is to say another deal isn't made? We don't know. And there are worse things that could happen than playing a Selke winning center behind the two best centers in the league.

I wouldn't freak out about it.

So if we move Jokinen to 3C, who plays 2LW?

And if we trade Sutter, 1st, 3rd, Despres, what's left to get another forward?

 

[JTG]

This place is crazy and the group think machine is out of control.

"He's a 3rd line center!!!11!!!"

He's actually a top 6 forward who plays wing and center along with an accomplished PP and PK guy. But we'll just call him a 3rd line center for arguments sake. He would play throughout the lineup.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Throw in Orpik instead of Draft Picks. At this point both Samuelsson or Harrington could give them more on D then does Orpik.

Keep dreaming. We're trading with a real NHL GM, not some 12 year old playing NHL 2k14. He's going to strengthen his team for the future and Orpik is useless in that regard because he's basically finished. Vancouver has no use for Orpik and in a Kesler trade cap hit is the only potential reason to include him (because Kesler makes 5M and Letang's hit hasn't kicked in yet).

 

[MrBrightside]

People have to stop with the idea that Orpik is going anywhere. This coach and GM had him on the top PK in Sochi with every freaking American defensemen alive to choose from. They think he can still play and that he's a key player. He's not going anywhere.

 

[MrBurghundy]

This place is crazy and the group think machine is out of control.

"He's a 3rd line center!!!11!!!"

He's actually a top 6 forward who plays wing and center along with an accomplished PP and PK guy. But we'll just call him a 3rd line center for arguments sake. He would play throughout the lineup.

Dude, Bylsma is our coach for one, and we are trading our 3rd line center away for two. How can you not think he's not going to be exactly what Staal was? When he's moved up to the top 6 that just makes our bottom 6 a whole lot worse too. That's not group think, that's what will happen because that's what always happens.